Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-19 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each member of SLOB. On 3 June 2016 at 02:46, Laura Vargas wrote: > I propose to adopt the following statement as the vision statement: > > Sugar Labs is a global community where you can learn how to design, >

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-04 Thread Laura Vargas
;D I guess it was too close before the meeting, so no SLOBs had time to read... 2016-06-04 5:00 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland : > > On 3 June 2016 at 14:55, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> On 3 June 2016 at 00:46, Laura Vargas wrote: >> >>> I propose

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 June 2016 at 14:55, Dave Crossland wrote: > On 3 June 2016 at 00:46, Laura Vargas wrote: > >> I propose to adopt the following statement as the vision statement: >> > > Was this a motion to be voted on? Oh I see, you posted this thread for discussion

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 June 2016 at 00:46, Laura Vargas wrote: > I propose to adopt the following statement as the vision statement: > Was this a motion to be voted on? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Laura Vargas
Dave, Mission vrs Vision has nothing to do with the length of the statement. Instead, the difference is about which question does it answer; Mission shall answer “What do we do? What makes us different?” while Vision answers the question, “Where do we aim to be?” Still, like many author state,

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 June 2016 at 10:40, Sean DALY wrote: > I can rework a message (perhaps any message) until I am happy with it Please edit https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016 until you are happy with it :D > What I can't do is invent the direction SL should take. But we

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 June 2016 at 10:40, Sean DALY wrote: > Perhaps I should try to put together a decision tree? That sounds great! I'm curious to see it :D ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Sean DALY
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > If you don't draft something, you will not be happy with what is used :) Um, no... I can rework a message (perhaps any message) until I am happy with it. What I can't do is invent the direction SL should take. Things would

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 June 2016 at 10:31, Sean DALY wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: >> >> Please draft a vision statement you would be happy with. > > [No] If you don't draft something, you will not be happy with what is used :)

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Sean DALY
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > Please draft a vision statement you would be happy with. I have (no shortage of) ideas, and experience in crafting text. But our vision is more than a marketer's spin (and heaven knows I've been guilty of spinning in the

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Sean Please draft a vision statement you would be happy with. Cheers Dave ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Sean DALY
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Tony Anderson wrote: > I believe Sugar is intended to enable a computer to provide enhanced > educational opportunities; especially to those who have limited access to > the Internet. One goal of Sugar is to bring to reality the educational

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Sean DALY
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > To be a welcoming global community where anyone can learn how to > develop high-quality libre software that facilitates learning through > self-discovery and collaboration among young children of all > continents, and to make

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Tony Anderson
I believe Sugar is intended to enable a computer to provide enhanced educational opportunities; especially to those who have limited access to the Internet. One goal of Sugar is to bring to reality the educational concepts of Seymour Papert and Alan Kay. Tony On 06/03/2016 11:28 AM,

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi I understood that the one-liner statement is a 'mission statement,' and the 'vision statement' is the longer text that expresses the details implied by the mission, the high level goals, and more specific values. The article you mention,

Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Sean DALY
Hi Laura My issue with this statement is that it is reductionist: "SL is a community for learning about software". Which is certainly true, but fundamentally we offer software, not a learning service. Our vision should be a mission (to develop high-quality software for children worldwide) and an

[IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

2016-06-03 Thread Laura Vargas
I propose to adopt the following statement as the vision statement: Sugar Labs is a global community where you can learn how to design, develop and deploy high-quality Free Software that facilitates self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration among young children of all continents.