Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-22 Thread Laura Vargas
> Possible interactions include, but are not limited to: > > 1. Search, run, install and uninstall Sugar Activities. > Sorry, I forgot to include"publish Sugar Activities". > > 2. Share feedback on the experience with Sugar, SN and Sugar Activities > (comments, questions, ideas and problems). > 3

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-20 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Sebastian and Laura Thanks, that clarifies things greatly. Tony On 05/20/2016 09:27 AM, Sebastian Silva wrote: El 20/05/16 a las 01:40, Tony Anderson escribió: Hi, Laura I am sorry but that leaves me still unclear on the dependence on the internet. If each machine becomes a node, why is

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-20 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 20/05/16 a las 01:40, Tony Anderson escribió: > Hi, Laura > > I am sorry but that leaves me still unclear on the dependence on the > internet. If each machine becomes a node, why is it necessary for it > to be a server? Where is the main node? Where are the content resources? > > Tony Hi Tony,

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-19 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Laura I am sorry but that leaves me still unclear on the dependence on the internet. If each machine becomes a node, why is it necessary for it to be a server? Where is the main node? Where are the content resources? Tony On 05/20/2016 05:26 AM, Laura Vargas wrote: 2016-05-19 20:40 GMT+0

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-19 Thread Laura Vargas
2016-05-19 20:40 GMT+08:00 Tony Anderson : > Hi, Laura > > Hi Tony! > Sorry about my confusing message with the digest title. > > No problem :D > I tried the Sugar network several years ago but decided that it was not > usable because it is dependent on internet access. Is that > still the ca

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-19 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Dave The 'normal mail': tony_ander...@usa.net is rejected by gmail per some security check installed in January of this year. Sending emails from t...@olenepal.org works because it is a gmail account. I guess I am going to have to register for the lists a second time with the other olenep

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-19 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 19 May 2016 at 09:02, Tony Anderson wrote: > It now takes forever to go through the myriad of emails I get each day. > The digest now doesn't really help as much because almost all emails are > sent to three or more lists. > I agree, there are a lot of lists for a (nowadays) small communi

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-19 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi Dave, It now takes forever to go through the myriad of emails I get each day. The digest now doesn't really help as much because almost all emails are sent to three or more lists. I just forget to change the subject. Unfortunately, I am not registered on the lists as t...@olenepal.org and s

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-19 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tony On 19 May 2016 at 08:40, Tony Anderson wrote: > Sorry about my confusing message with the digest title. > Would you consider changing your list preference from digest to seperate-emails? :) Cheers Dave ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

2016-05-19 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Laura Sorry about my confusing message with the digest title. I tried the Sugar network several years ago but decided that it was not usable because it is dependent on internet access. Is that still the case? Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-18 Thread Laura Vargas
2016-05-18 6:47 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland : > > Hi! > > On 17 May 2016 at 17:54, Laura Vargas wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> 2016-05-15 22:53 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland : >> >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> On 15 May 2016 at 13:29, Laura Vargas wrote: >>> Sugar Network is up the air, and it has more than 35.000 use

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Walter Bender
Harvest is the system Martin developed for OLPC AU. -walter On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 17 May 2016 at 17:00, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> What Sugar Labs® has been doing for many years at >> https://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/statistics/ is suitable for >>

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 17 May 2016 at 17:00, Dave Crossland wrote: > What Sugar Labs® has been doing for many years at > https://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/statistics/ is suitable for > understanding this. > > What Sugar Labs® has been doing for, I guess, a year or so, at > http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-vie

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi! On 17 May 2016 at 17:54, Laura Vargas wrote: > Hi! > > 2016-05-15 22:53 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland : > >> >> Hi! >> >> On 15 May 2016 at 13:29, Laura Vargas wrote: >> >>> Sugar Network is up the air, and it has more than 35.000 users. You can >>> find the stats here> http://network.sugarlabs.

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Laura Vargas
Hi! 2016-05-15 22:53 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland : > > Hi! > > On 15 May 2016 at 13:29, Laura Vargas wrote: > >> Sugar Network is up the air, and it has more than 35.000 users. You can >> find the stats here> http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-viewer/ >> > > WOW!!! That stats page is AMAZING!! :D >

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 17 May 2016 at 14:10, Chris Leonard wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Thanks for the lengthy explanation :) I think I understand your position > > better now :) > > > > On 17 May 2016 at 12:14, Chris Leonard wrote: > >> > >> > >> any form

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 17 May 2016 at 13:55, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > Leah at OLPC might be able to tell you some things. I've emailed her :) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Sam On 17 May 2016 at 13:55, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > I think there may be a difference between research studies and privacy law > related to collecting general user statistics. > I assert there is :) > This might be untested though, and for Sugar, both studies on how children > use it as

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Chris Leonard
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > Hi > > Thanks for the lengthy explanation :) I think I understand your position > better now :) > > On 17 May 2016 at 12:14, Chris Leonard wrote: >> >> >> any form of human subjects research > > > Is https://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-U

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
I think there may be a difference between research studies and privacy law related to collecting general user statistics. This might be untested though, and for Sugar, both studies on how children use it as well generic statistics straight from the application(s) may be useful. I'm not interested

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 17 May 2016 at 00:01, Dave Crossland wrote: > Both these seem to be related to _children’s personal information_; I > don't think anyone here is interested in that. > https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions is good, and §3 defines th

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Thanks for the lengthy explanation :) I think I understand your position better now :) On 17 May 2016 at 12:14, Chris Leonard wrote: > > any form of human subjects research Is https://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/statistics/ "human subjects research"? > One should never read the CFR an

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Chris Leonard
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 17 May 2016 at 10:17, Chris Leonard wrote: >> >> Source of funding has nothing to do with the applicability of laws and >> regulations on human subjects protection in research. > > > Please explain this. > > Laws are one thing, regula

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 17 May 2016 at 10:17, Chris Leonard wrote: > Source of funding has nothing to do with the applicability of laws and > regulations on human subjects protection in research. > Please explain this. Laws are one thing, regulations are another; laws apply to everyone in a jurisdiction, regulation

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Chris Leonard
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 17 May 2016 at 02:16, Caryl Bigenho wrote: >> >> Here are the HHS requirements for any study done with children in the >> United States. > > > I understand these as useful guidelines but not requirements for us because > we are not fun

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Not sure but I was of the impression that all research with minors came under these or similar regulations. Caryl Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2016, at 6:57 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > >> On 17 May 2016 at 02:16, Caryl Bigenho wrote: >> Here are the HHS requirements for any study don

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 17 May 2016 at 02:16, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > Here are the HHS requirements for any study done with children in the > United States. I understand these as useful guidelines but not requirements for us because we are not funded by the US Federal Government, right? _

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-16 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network Hi! On 16 May 2016 at 19:40, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: In general, getting information about children using a product targeted at them is a bit of a legal minefield. Fortunately I'm not interested in information about children :) There are coun

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-16 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 16 May 2016 at 23:20, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> On 16 May 2016 at 19:40, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: >> >>> In general, getting information about children using a product targeted >>> at them is a bit of a legal minefie

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-16 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > Hi! > > On 16 May 2016 at 19:40, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > >> In general, getting information about children using a product targeted >> at them is a bit of a legal minefield. >> > > Fortunately I'm not interested in information about chi

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-16 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi! On 16 May 2016 at 19:40, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > In general, getting information about children using a product targeted at > them is a bit of a legal minefield. > Fortunately I'm not interested in information about children :) > There are countries which don't allow anything about youn

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-16 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
In general, getting information about children using a product targeted at them is a bit of a legal minefield. There are countries which don't allow anything about younger children or what they do online to be known without parental and/or school consent. Said consent may require proving the adult

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-15 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi! On 15 May 2016 at 13:29, Laura Vargas wrote: > Sugar Network is up the air, and it has more than 35.000 users. You can > find the stats here> http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-viewer/ > WOW!!! That stats page is AMAZING!! :D But having looked at the SN wiki pages in more detail, I am stil

Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-15 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Laura I hear you, but this is a wiki, it is meant to be edited and re-edited towards being up to date. I am not deleting anything, but marking pages that I think are totally obsolete as such, and marking pages that somewhat dated and can be refreshed also. In this particular case, I read in h

[IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

2016-05-15 Thread Laura Vargas
Dave, Please do keep all "Sugar Network" and "School Network" pages as they are the main information for the Peruvian Sugar Network design and functions. Sugar Network is up the air, and it has more than 35.000 users. You can find the stats here> http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-viewer/ If you