Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Dave Crossland (2016-05-22 19:03:05) > On 20 May 2016 at 09:50, Sebastian Silva wrote: > >> El 20/05/16 a las 07:56, Dave Crossland escribió: >> >>> I think Sugar would be installed as a dualboot on Chromebooks. >> My main machine was a chromebok for a couple of

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-22 Thread Sebastian Silva
You write a long email with many pointy points. Back to the topic: El 21/05/16 a las 15:31, Dave Crossland escribió: > > Finally I don't have (or want) access to a Windows machine. > > > Indeed, in the final analysis, that rather settles the debate, doesn't > it :D > > I will see if the guy

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-22 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 May 2016 at 09:50, Sebastian Silva wrote: > El 20/05/16 a las 07:56, Dave Crossland escribió: > > > I think Sugar would be installed as a dualboot on Chromebooks. > My main machine was a chromebok for a couple of years until a > thunderstorm took its life. It was

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
[reposting to IAEP list - thanks to Sebastian for noticing the omission] Quoting Dave Crossland (2016-05-21 22:31:49) > I think packaging Sugar Desktop for Fedora and Debian is great! I'm > not attempting to discourage you from that. Seems you missed the emphasis on one distribtion over the

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Walter Bender
We pushed as far as we could given the resources we had at the time, but there were components of the motherboard (embedded controller comes to mind) which had Quanta-proprietary code. We did use Open Firmware instead of the typical BIOS of the time. Everything on top of that was Software Libre.

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 21 May 2016 at 20:00, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Dave Crossland (2016-05-22 01:25:07) > > I have't seen anything about XOs that would meet > > http://www.oshwa.org/definition but I'll be very happy to see them :) > > No doubt what you will be happy about is to argue

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Dave Crossland (2016-05-22 01:25:07) > I have't seen anything about XOs that would meet > http://www.oshwa.org/definition but I'll be very happy to see them :) No doubt what you will be happy about is to argue _against_ any such OSHW-certified laptops, same way as you argue against Free

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Caryl Bigenho
While I don't "do Windows," I do use Mac, iOS, and Android. What libre hardware do Latin American educational systems have access to now that the OLPC-XO product stream is drying up? Android devices are ubiquitous. iPhones and iOS are found worldwide. That is why Lionel's Sugarlzer running on

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 21 May 2016 at 19:18, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > What libre hardware do Latin American educational systems have access to now > that the OLPC-XO product stream is drying up? I'm curious why you think any XO was libre hardware? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Open_Hardware

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 21 May 2016 at 13:14, Sebastian Silva wrote: > El 21/05/16 a las 10:24, Dave Crossland escribió: > > > On 21 May 2016 at 02:18, Sebastian Silva > wrote: > >> There are huge interests invested in trying to sell Windows (and Android)

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 21/05/16 a las 10:24, Dave Crossland escribió: > > On 21 May 2016 at 02:18, Sebastian Silva > wrote: > > There are huge interests invested in trying to sell Windows (and > Android) to our Latin American public education

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Dave Crossland
On 21 May 2016 at 02:18, Sebastian Silva wrote: > There are huge interests invested in trying to sell Windows (and Android) > to our Latin American public education systems and us supporting it would > be counterproductive in my humble opinion How do you propose to

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-21 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 20/05/16 a las 09:43, Dave Crossland escribió: > On 20 May 2016 at 09:56, Sebastian Silva > wrote: > > While I have close-to-zero motivation to have activities run on > Windows > > > Please explain why you feel this way. I

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming" (Dave Crossland)

2016-05-20 Thread Dave Crossland
Sam, I encourage you to find answers to that question :) Lionel, I don't mean to discourage or disparage your work. I wish to explore all the options for the future of the Sugar python codebase. I would not be surprised if in 5 years Sugar python has been completely abandoned and there is only

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming" (Dave Crossland)

2016-05-20 Thread Sam Parkinson
The idea of running Sugar on NaCl is a good idea in my opinion. * The Chrome web store "apps" are downloaded in some form - which is good as even an NaCl sugar would probs be 500mb+ * It would make a good "gateway sugar" for people as it is easy to run on many platforms. * I would think of it

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming" (Dave Crossland)

2016-05-20 Thread Lionel Laské
2016-05-20 5:18 GMT+02:00 : > > If we want to grow Sugar's userbase 10x, I think Sugar must run not only on > GNU but also Windows and Mac OS X. > Guess I don't need to say that it's exactly my though :-) FYI, I've qualified Sugarizer on Windows 10. I've tested

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 May 2016 at 11:23, Sean DALY wrote: > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> Do you think Sugar's destiny is to become an app within another operating >> system? > > > > I would rephrase this by quoting Scott Ananian: > > > "what

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 May 2016 at 09:56, Sebastian Silva wrote: > While I have close-to-zero motivation to have activities run on Windows Please explain why you feel this way. I am excited about the possibility of running Sugar activities on Windows and Mac OS X.

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-20 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 20/05/16 a las 07:56, Dave Crossland escribió: > I think Sugar would be installed as a dualboot on Chromebooks. My main machine was a chromebok for a couple of years until a thunderstorm took its life. It was wonderful hardware, almost fatally crippled with DRM. I had to dissassemble it,

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-20 Thread Sebastian Silva
While I have close-to-zero motivation to have activities run on Windows, they probably do already as GTK has run and is supported in windows since years ago. El 20/05/16 a las 08:30, Sean DALY escribió: > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Tony Anderson

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 May 2016 at 09:05, Walter Bender wrote: > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> >> On 20 May 2016 at 00:16, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: >> >>> If Sugar wants to be used in such environments, then it needs to

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-20 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 20 May 2016 at 00:16, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > >> If Sugar wants to be used in such environments, then it needs to work in >> a Chromebook's web browser or as an installed app. >> > > I think

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 May 2016 at 00:16, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > If Sugar wants to be used in such environments, then it needs to work in a > Chromebook's web browser or as an installed app. > I think Sugar would be installed as a dualboot on Chromebooks.

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-20 Thread Walter Bender
Also, FWIW, for the first time, Chromebooks are now outselling Macs. http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures (While you can boot GNU/Linux on many Chromebooks, I don't think this is a likely scenario for most schools.) -walter On Fri, May 20, 2016 at

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-20 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi Sean, Do you mean commands written in text? The question may be whether Ubuntu programs can be started from a shortcut but I don't see how that would not be possible. The information I read did not imply starting an os (although I suppose that could be done by a vm). What I read was that

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-20 Thread Sean DALY
On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Tony Anderson wrote: > Windows 10 is making Ubuntu programs available by the command line - which > could be shortcuts. > Tony - text mode commandline only AFAIK, and Cygwin likely a better implementation Sean

Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

2016-05-20 Thread Tony Anderson
According to the news Google is making Android apps available on some Chromebooks (possibly including Sugarizer and GCompris). Windows 10 is making Ubuntu programs available by the command line - which could be shortcuts. Tony On 05/20/2016 06:16 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-19 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 19/05/16 a las 23:16, Samuel Greenfeld escribió: > Alternatively (or perhaps alongside) a lot of schools are moving to > Chromebooks these days. > http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/03/googles-chromebooks-make-up-half-of-us-classroom-devices.html > > If Sugar wants to be used in such environments,

Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-19 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
Alternatively (or perhaps alongside) a lot of schools are moving to Chromebooks these days. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/03/googles-chromebooks-make-up-half-of-us-classroom-devices.html If Sugar wants to be used in such environments, then it needs to work in a Chromebook's web browser or as an

[IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

2016-05-19 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi If we want to grow Sugar's userbase 10x, I think Sugar must run not only on GNU but also Windows and Mac OS X. 1. Rewriting everything in JavaScript for Sugarizer 2. Implementing "Sugar As A Service" with GTK3-Broadway, https://SandStorm.io and https://os.js.org 3. Packaging Sugar to run on