Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Well, my impression is that at the moment we have a well defined educational vision and a pretty solid UX design based on it. What we lack is an hardware+software platform to run it on. So I don't think trying to find a solution for that is getting bogged down, all the contrary. On Tuesday, 5

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Sorry for the top posting, quoting on gmail on iPhone is a pain. * I'm glad that you see some runway for the XO and I really hope you are right, it would be awesome. I think even just the uncertainity is a big issue for upstream development at the moment. Not knowing if anyone is going to build

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be essentially

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
Look at these older tests of sugar on the RPi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi This part of the Advanced topics wiki page on the sugarlabs wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#ARM Tom Gilliard I could not find any evidence of

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi… Last year at SCaLE George Hunt helped me get Sugar running on my RPi. Because our booth was so busy, it took parts of both Saturday and Sunday to get it going. I then tried it when I got home and found that it was

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Thanks a lot for the feedback Peter. I will check these out. For the record, I was thinking about Sugar on Linux on Raspberry, not Android. On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: On 4

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Ok, I will reply to your points, just in different order: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo - I'm sorry, I was unable to attend the SLOBs meeting today. There are issues with doing PR about the release * Our target market, the ten million or so

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Do you know what's the status of graphics with the BeagleBone Black? On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comjavascript:;

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Do you know what's the status of graphics with the BeagleBone Black? Sugar on the BBB should work fine with the modesetting driver OOTB (I've still got some kernel bits to do in Fedora, 3.12 should be much better) as it

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Is 3D support for the BBB not planned/possible? I know we don't require it at the moment but it would be nice to have in the future (and it *might* speed up things even with the current software...). On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Daniel

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow with Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least is perceived as, unstable. And I'm not sure what would be a good way to, for example, produce and distribute

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow with Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least is perceived as, unstable. And I'm

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Yeah, my target here is development and testing, not final users. Basically I'm talking about what Gonzalo has been doing for 0.100. We could automate that work, it just feels a bit wrong to me because it's not using the normal Fedora infrastructure... On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Walter Bender

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow with Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least is perceived as, unstable. And I'm

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Flavio Danesse
My humble opinion (please stick to one): To put into perspective the opinion, I should remember that besides developing for sugar since 2009, I am also a teacher in high school, so I've been inside ceibal classrooms during this time. From the beginning, I said I saw the fate of sugar linked to

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Sameer Verma
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Flavio Danesse fdane...@gmail.com wrote: My humble opinion (please stick to one): To put into perspective the opinion, I should remember that besides developing for sugar since 2009, I am also a teacher in high school, so I've been inside ceibal classrooms

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Flavio Danesse fdane...@gmail.com wrote: My humble opinion (please stick to one): To put into perspective the opinion, I should remember that besides developing for sugar since 2009, I am also a teacher in high school, so I've been inside ceibal classrooms

Re: [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi Flavio, I'm not sure what you are flagging as a mistake exactly, there is quite a bit of confusion around android and html5, it means very different things to different people. So it would be good if you could clarify. And I'm not sure what you are proposing. Certainly everyone in this thread