Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...

2016-06-27 Thread Tony Anderson

Hi, Dave

Can you identify these motions. Most of the votes were cast at the 
meetings. As far as I remember there were two email votes.


Tony

On 06/27/2016 04:14 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

On 27 June 2016 at 09:24, Tony Anderson  wrote:

If it is useful.

It surely is


Why do you care for specific emails for specific votes?

Transparency


Do you have any specific motions where there is concern about
whether it passed?

Each motion where I can not observe each vote is a grave concern for me
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

2016-06-27 Thread Shivang Belwariar
pls dont sent emails

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Attempt
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

2016-06-27 Thread Dave Crossland
Happy to help with the form design

Since production is voluntary I can only meet it where it is and attenot to
grow it :)
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

2016-06-27 Thread Dave Crossland
Attempt
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

2016-06-27 Thread Sameer Verma
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Sameer, thanks for this! Please can I repost this on the youtube channel,
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfsR9AEb7HuPRAc14jfiI6g, with a CC-BY
> license ? :)
>
>
I don't think it's very useful on the Youtube channel, as that's outward
facing. I did this primarily for our community, and to explain all that in
emails is hard, hence the screencast. I'd say leave it as webm on the wiki
for now, with annotations, as necessary.


> Here's an auto transcription:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016/Call_2
>
>
Thanks. I think your notes (below) are a lot more useful.


> On 24 June 2016 at 18:20, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>
>
> 3) There are several confounding variables at play. For example, Sugar is
>> a FOSS project. Sugarlabs is an agency established to
>> foster/facilitate/support Sugar, the project. However, the two are not the
>> same. So, in our effort to establish a strategic plan, the unit of analysis
>> should be clear. For me, as a SLOB member, the unit of analysis is
>> Sugarlabs, the agency. Everything I look at, is through that lens,
>> including Sugar, OLPC, Sugarizer, etc.
>>
>> I've put together a screencast describing how all these things are
>> related. I hope this will bring some clarity.
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/1/18/Sugarlabs-strategy-overview.webm
>>
>
> In the period 0m-7m, you say that that there should be 2 units of
> analysis, for Sugar Labs and for Sugar, and therefore 2 separate sets
> of Vision/Mission/Goals/etc, but these should be aligned. Is this correct?
>
>
Yes, that's what we should aim to do, but more so on the Vision and Mission
level. The Goals etc. can be different, as long as these support their
respective Vision and Mission.


>
> Then 8m-18m, you describe a 7 phase model of a firm:
>
>

5 phase chain, which includes supply and demand sides.


1. Inbound logistics (capital goods, labour)
>
> 2. Operations (production, combination of capital goods and labour to
> produce commodities; Sugar Labs )
>
> 3. Outbound Logistics (distribution, shipping, go to market; eg each sugar
> release being minted, and then a distro packaging it, or OLPC taking a
> sugar release and combining it with some distro)
>
> 4. Marketing and Sales (managing perceptions, which for a software freedom
> project is often not sales as in exchange of commodities for money, but
> instead the success of propaganda at converting neutral people to advocates
> who agree with the ideology)
>
> 5. Service (Consulting, eg the process of working with schools to realise
> the value created in earlier stages which may be obvious to us but not to
> them.)
>
> You then group phases 1-3 as 'supply side' and 4-5 as 'demand side,' and
> note that traditionally OLPC has taken care of the demand side while Sugar
> Labs has taken care of the supply side; and note that such partitioning of
> supply/demand often creates conflict in free software projects which have
> more appreciation for the left side than for the right side; and note that
> the demand side needs attention as it increases the value of the software
> created.
>
>
Correct.


> This all seems sage to me :) Did I miss any essential point?
>
>
>
Note: In attempting to increase the value of Sugar by focusing on
Marketing, Sales and Service, we have to at least maintain status quo on
the left side. Unless we have production of a stable code base, the demand
side cannot leverage it.


> Then 18m-31m you describe a 5 phase model of strategy:
>
> 1. Vision (long term) 'dream statement' of where we dream to be in a few
> years - the world we hope to arrive into, the big picture we are moving
> towards.
>
> 2. Mission (long term) what are we, what do we do, why do we do it - this
> should hold good for the same amount of time as the Vision; what exists
> today, that powers us to move towards the Vision
>
> 3. Goals (mid term) expected outcomes that are not measurable, eg
> "Increase adoption of Sugar by non-English-native-speaking children". These
> typically arise from a SWOT analysis.
>
> 4. Objectives (mid term) specific targets that are measurable, eg
> "Increase 8 translation locales from 80% coverage to 100% coverage before
> 2017/1/1"
>
> 5. Tasks (short term) actual activities that are assigned to people to get
> done, eg "Chris Leonard to organize volunteers to meet the translation
> objective."
>
> You noted that typically the common focus of activity of free software
> projects is at the 4-5 level, with bon mots like "release early, release
> often," while 1-2-3 change slowly and typically get much less attention
> from free software project contributors, and the Sugar project isn't alone
> in this.
>
> Again, I concur. Something I found missing from your presentation was a
> guide to how long (ie, in word count) these statements should be. What do
> you think?
>
>
We'll come to that soon. No specific guidelines, but it should be 

Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

2016-06-27 Thread Sameer Verma
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> BTW… as with any really good presentation, the slides don't tell the whole
> story, they mearly enhance it. Doing otherwise results in that tragedy
> commonly referred to as "Death By Power-Point." So, please find the time to
> listen and watch the whole thing.
>
> If we are lucky, Sameer will find time to do more like this.
>
> Coming soon :-)

Sameer


> Caryl
>
> > From: d...@lab6.com
> > Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:01:36 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different
> > To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> > CC: sve...@sfsu.edu; sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
>
> >
> > On 24 June 2016 at 22:28, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
> > > On 24 June 2016 at 18:20, Sameer Verma  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It's been interesting to watch the conversations around vision,
> mission,
> > >> marketing, etc. over the last few weeks. Several observations emerge.
> > >> Here are a few that I think are relevant to us.
> > >>
> > >> 1) There is a lot of confusion over the terms. Vision, Mission,
> Goals, etc.
> > >
> > > Sameer is a wonderful person to guide us in this process… after all,
> as a tenured
> > > professor in the Business School of San Francisco State University, he
> probably
> > > knows more about this process than all the rest of us combined!
> >
> > I agree. I would like to take Sameer's definitions as definitive. Does
> > anyone disagree with doing so?
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

2016-06-27 Thread Sameer Verma
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> Great work.
> Very clear.
> May be you could share your slides too for those that had no time to see
> the video.
>
> Posted to the wiki.
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugarlabs_Strategic_Plan.pdf

Sameer


> Lionel.
>
> 2016-06-25 0:20 GMT+02:00 Sameer Verma :
>
>> It's been interesting to watch the conversations around vision, mission,
>> marketing, etc. over the last few weeks. Several observations emerge. Here
>> are a few that I think are relevant to us.
>>
>> 1) There is a lot of confusion over the terms. Vision, Mission, Goals,
>> etc.
>> 2) Perhaps the confusion stems from not knowing how these pieces fit
>> together, and the roles these play.
>> 3) There are several confounding variables at play. For example, Sugar is
>> a FOSS project. Sugarlabs is an agency established to
>> foster/facilitate/support Sugar, the project. However, the two are not the
>> same. So, in our effort to establish a strategic plan, the unit of analysis
>> should be clear. For me, as a SLOB member, the unit of analysis is
>> Sugarlabs, the agency. Everything I look at, is through that lens,
>> including Sugar, OLPC, Sugarizer, etc.
>>
>> I've put together a screencast describing how all these things are
>> related. I hope this will bring some clarity.
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/1/18/Sugarlabs-strategy-overview.webm
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
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>> Professor, Information Systems
>> San Francisco State University
>> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

2016-06-27 Thread Sameer Verma
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Chihurumnaya Ibiam <
ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Sameer, i couldn't watch the video because of the format (.webm),
> except i am online, because of where i am i can't really watch the video
> online, can i get a download link.
>
> You can right-click and save the webm video. It will play in Firefox or
Chrome/ Chromium natively.

Sameer


> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you, Caryl :-) I was a bit pressed for time (I had to pick up my
>> kids from school), so perhaps I glossed over some of the terms. Yes, please
>> do move the tracker back and forth, and ask questions. This is a process,
>> and a process that works. We are not the first with this confusion, and we
>> have examples in other projects for different but aligned strategies.
>> Drupal and Drupal Association is one such example. (Note: I serve on the
>> Board of Directors of the Drupal Association, so I'm familiar with those
>> details).
>>
>> https://www.drupal.org/about/mission-and-principles
>> https://assoc.drupal.org/about
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
>> --
>> Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>> Professor, Information Systems
>> San Francisco State University
>> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All...
>>>
>>> Very well done Sameer!  I hope everyone takes the approximately 35
>>> minutes to view this excellent clarification of what exactly is meant by
>>> terms like "Vision," "Mission," "Goals," "Objectives," and "Tasks."  Much
>>> of the discussions trying to address these items have been a bit
>>> "off-base," not for a lack of enthusiasm but, rather, from a lack of
>>> understanding of how things in business (and, yes, in education too)
>>> actually work. Maybe once we are all speaking the same language we can make
>>> some concrete progress in addressing these issues.
>>>
>>> Sameer is a wonderful person to guide us in this process… after all, as
>>> a tenured professor in the Business School of San Francisco State
>>> University, he probably knows more about this process than all the rest of
>>> us combined!
>>>
>>> Happy viewing…. warning, this is very educational. It is like a lecture
>>> in a college level… maybe even graduate level course.  Expect to be
>>> challenged. Expect to need to drag the marker back once in a while to
>>> revisit a term. It will be will worth the time and can serve you well in
>>> other areas of your life besides Sugar and SugarLabs!
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: sve...@sfsu.edu
>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:20:49 -0700
>>> To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> Subject: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different
>>>
>>>
>>> It's been interesting to watch the conversations around vision, mission,
>>> marketing, etc. over the last few weeks. Several observations emerge. Here
>>> are a few that I think are relevant to us.
>>>
>>> 1) There is a lot of confusion over the terms. Vision, Mission, Goals,
>>> etc.
>>> 2) Perhaps the confusion stems from not knowing how these pieces fit
>>> together, and the roles these play.
>>> 3) There are several confounding variables at play. For example, Sugar
>>> is a FOSS project. Sugarlabs is an agency established to
>>> foster/facilitate/support Sugar, the project. However, the two are not the
>>> same. So, in our effort to establish a strategic plan, the unit of analysis
>>> should be clear. For me, as a SLOB member, the unit of analysis is
>>> Sugarlabs, the agency. Everything I look at, is through that lens,
>>> including Sugar, OLPC, Sugarizer, etc.
>>>
>>> I've put together a screencast describing how all these things are
>>> related. I hope this will bring some clarity.
>>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/1/18/Sugarlabs-strategy-overview.webm
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Sameer
>>> --
>>> Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>>> Professor, Information Systems
>>> San Francisco State University
>>> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] Oversight Board Meeting

2016-06-27 Thread Dave Crossland
On 27 June 2016 at 09:28, Tony Anderson  wrote:
> Based on the level of discussion in the email lists, there is apparently no
> longer any interest in having a Financial Manager or a Vision statement as
> topics for Friday's meeting.

Sameer has said he will run some kind of session to develop
Vision/Mission/Objectives/etc statements, so yes, I won't be posting a
motion for that until Sameer's process has concluded.

However, Caryl has said that she will tend to the Financial Manager
motion draft document when she gets access to a computer with a
keyboard, which I expect to be in the next few days; I made some
suggestions based on the last meeting 3 weeks ago, which she didn't
process yet, but she has stated her intention to do so, and if she is
unable due to personal circumstances, I will post the motions.

Again, I invite everyone to comment on Caryl's document in advance of
the meeting, so that we can move forwards.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...

2016-06-27 Thread Dave Crossland
On 27 June 2016 at 09:24, Tony Anderson  wrote:
> If it is useful.

It surely is

> Why do you care for specific emails for specific votes?

Transparency

> Do you have any specific motions where there is concern about
> whether it passed?

Each motion where I can not observe each vote is a grave concern for me
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[IAEP] Oversight Board Meeting

2016-06-27 Thread Tony Anderson
Based on the level of discussion in the email lists, there is apparently 
no longer any interest in having a Financial Manager or a Vision 
statement as topics for

Friday's meeting.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...

2016-06-27 Thread Tony Anderson

Hi, Dave

If it is useful. Why do you care for specific emails for specific votes? 
Do you have any specific motions where there is concern about

whether it passed?

Tony

On 06/27/2016 02:42 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

Hi Tony

On 21 June 2016 at 23:00, Dave Crossland  wrote:

Please provide me with 7 links to 7 emails on a public mailing list
from 2016-05-05 to 2016-05-12 for each of the votes for this motion
that you say you are aware of.

Would you be willing to do this?

Cheers
Dave
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...

2016-06-27 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tony

On 21 June 2016 at 23:00, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> Please provide me with 7 links to 7 emails on a public mailing list
> from 2016-05-05 to 2016-05-12 for each of the votes for this motion
> that you say you are aware of.

Would you be willing to do this?

Cheers
Dave
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Re: [IAEP] Translation Community Manager report

2016-06-27 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Chris

On 5 June 2016 at 19:23, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
> On 5 June 2016 at 17:20, Chris Leonard  wrote:
>>
>> Most of the work I've done is not captured by this particular issue
>> tracker and I see no reason to do double-entry book-keeping in
>> multiple task trackers, so I would not look this this particular
>> github issue link as a meaningful source of activity tracking.
>
> Which issue tracker are you using? :)

I am still curious about this :)

>> > I expected to hear from Cjl already.
>>
>> Yes, I had expected to have provided the report already, but the
>> request that it be delivered in the form of a blog post has resulted
>> in some delay. I'll get it out shortly.
>
> Please let us know if there's anything we can do to help! :)

Perhaps you could put the posts in markdown files, and I could set up
the blog for you?

Cheers
Dave
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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

2016-06-27 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Adam

On 17 June 2016 at 11:47, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
> On 17 June 2016 at 11:42, Tony Anderson  wrote:
>>
>> I understand the need is to have a financial report at each monthly
>> meeting reporting on starting balance, amount received, amount paid, and
>> ending
>> balance. This is under the control of SFC. Adam is our liason to SFC. So I
>> think it is appropriate that he make this report.
>>
>> Currently, there is no income, expenses are one-two transactions, and so
>> such a report should be easy to make.
>
>
> Adam, let me know if you need help making the report.

Will there be a report at the upcoming SLOBs meeting?

-- 
Cheers
Dave
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