Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:22:24PM -0400, Gerald Ardito wrote: Caroline, I tried to do just that. I cannot erase the version of Write that's there, and I cannot install the new one. It downloads just fine and appears in the Journal, but will not install. Could you enable debug mode[1], run

Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-28 Thread Gerald Ardito
Hamilton, Thanks. I'll try that. And thanks for your support with this project. Gerald On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Hamilton Chua hamilton.c...@gmail.comwrote: Gerald, It seems the kickstart file I use installed the write activity via rpm. I don't know if this is possible from a usb

Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 07:53:48PM +0800, Hamilton Chua wrote: Gerald, It seems the kickstart file I use installed the write activity via rpm. I don't know if this is possible from a usb stick but it might be worth a try. sugar-0.86 should proper handle this situation, if there are

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A Virtual Box solution that works with Sticks

2009-09-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi, I'm trying to understand this. Is it possible to use the booting method Bill found, where we boot one kernal in Virtual Box, then that Linux mounts the USB and then it boots the Sugar kernal on the stick? On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote: Hi Dave,

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread Jim Simmons
Albert, The original question was about developing Activities for a classroom assignment, with the idea that these Activities could be widely distributed. With these two constraints Python is the winner by default. If you need to write Activities for school you need good documentation on how to

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112)
Jim Simmons, in part: The original question was about developing Activities for a classroom assignment, with the idea that these Activities could be widely distributed. If (big IF) J will run on XO, labs is a built in feature of J. Ken Iverson had his stroke at 83 while at the keyboard

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:08:56AM -0400, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112) wrote: Jim Simmons, in part: The original question was about developing Activities for a classroom assignment, with the idea that these Activities could be widely distributed. If (big IF) J

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112)
Martin Dengler: Since you don't know if J can run on the XO, J is not a good thing to recommend for developing activities on the XO, right? Wrong. J is worth investigating. J is so cross platform and so powerful that it is a lifetime useful tool for teaching and for thought. J, like

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A Virtual Box solution that works with Sticks

2009-09-28 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to understand this. Is it possible to use the booting method Bill found, where we boot one kernal in Virtual Box, then that Linux mounts the USB and then it boots the Sugar kernal on the stick?

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:36:03AM -0400, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112) wrote: Martin Dengler: Since you don't know if J can run on the XO, J is not a good thing to recommend for developing activities on the XO, right? Wrong. J is worth investigating.

[IAEP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-28 Thread Chris Ball
Hi all, In Friday's SLOBs meeting, we approved the creation of a decision panel, with the following people eligible to join the panel: Sebastian Dziallas Luke Faraone Martin Dengler Bill Bogstad Faisal Khan Benjamin M. Schwartz Samuel Klein Sean Daly Tabitha Roder Caryl Bigenho Daniel Drake

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel [organization process started]

2009-09-28 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi all, In Friday's SLOBs meeting, we approved the creation of a decision panel, with the following people eligible to join the panel: Can I take it that SLOB is not formally requesting a two week deadline to report back as

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread Kevin Cole
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 00:00, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, On Thursday, Ben wrote in the IAEP list: My feeling is that the most important thing we can do in this area is to make it easy to write Activities that are intrinsically cross-platform. To borrow a phrase, one

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel [organization process started]

2009-09-28 Thread Sean McGrath
Bill Bogstad wrote: [...] We will conduct any public discussions in the s...@lists.sugarlabs.org mailing list with a subject line tagged with [DP]. [...] Suggestion: As a favor to the mailing list archive searcher of the future, consider a tag [in addition to,instead of] DP. The DP process

[IAEP] decision panel: waste of time

2009-09-28 Thread Daniel Drake
I've looked at some initial discussion on the decision panel (I don't even have time to read all of it) and I think it's time to go back to the start. For each question: who's asking? is it a reasonable question? have we definitely failed to reach community consensus? what effects will the

[IAEP] SOas waste of time

2009-09-28 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
Geez! lets reserve the SOaS name as a marketing term, for clarity of message. (even though Sebastian can use it for now) and others +1 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112)
Martin wrote: The question was what language can be used now. You're answering a different question. Possibly. Depends on whether J can be used now (or soon). I do not know the answer. Let us assume the answer is no. Then the next relevant J question is whether Roger Hui et al

Re: [IAEP] decision panel: waste of time

2009-09-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:05:36AM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: I've looked at some initial discussion on the decision panel (I don't even have time to read all of it) and I think it's time to go back to the start. Why are you prolonging this even more? SLOBs decided that a Decision Panel was

Re: [IAEP] SOas waste of time

2009-09-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 01:38:09PM -0500, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: [an opinion] +1 Please in the name of all that furthers education, stop voting on things that don't require voting :). http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/125203.html If you're just saying me too, I thought that died out:

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 02:57:48PM -0400, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112) wrote: Martin wrote: The question was what language can be used now. You're answering a different question. Possibly. Depends on whether J can be used now (or soon). Only if

[IAEP] Sugar 0.86 on Trisquel 3.0, ready for testing

2009-09-28 Thread Rubén Rodríguez Pérez
Thanks to the packages Aleksey made last week, we have been able to build a new Trisquel+Sugar iso, this one using the latest Sugar on top of the latest Trisquel, and also fixing the bugs from the first release. It works nicely on wired or wireless computers, the installer is now Sugar themed,

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread Kevin Cole
If all you have is a hammer, it's time to put another nail in the J coffin. Although the J executable is a free (as in beer) download from Jsoftware (the only place I found a downloadable J), with regard to the source code, the J page at http://www.jsoftware.com/source.htm states: Fees

[IAEP] Xoos Special Interest Group

2009-09-28 Thread David Farning
As promised, we have started work on the XO operating system SIG at Sugar Labs. The SIG pages are at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Xoos . Based on feedback from the current developers working in this space, the most valuable starting point will be to start making daily Xoos builds. The next step

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel [organization process started]

2009-09-28 Thread Luke Faraone
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 14:05, Sean McGrath s...@manybits.net wrote: Bill Bogstad wrote: We will conduct any public discussions in the s...@lists.sugarlabs.org mailing list with a subject line tagged with [DP]. Suggestion: As a favor to the mailing list archive searcher of the future,

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 28.09.2009, at 17:36, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112) wrote: J, like APL, sadly does not get the publicity that it deserves. A fate it shares with other nice languages. Like, err, Smalltalk. I would not be surprised if Roger Hui were willing to create an

Re: [IAEP] inquiry on constructionism advantages

2009-09-28 Thread forster
I have received an inquiry on implementing constructionism from a high official in the Bolivian government. Since my opinion may be biased :-), I request you help us with clear, simple and please objective answers (no vapor-stuff), if at all possible Yamandu The short answer is probably

Re: [IAEP] inquiry on constructionism advantages

2009-09-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi Yama, Try this reference it has actual data that supports constructivism Wenglinsky, H. (2005) Chp. 4 in Using Technology Wisely: the keys to success in schools, Columbia University Teachers College Press, NY, 60-77, *CP * * * * * On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka

[IAEP] ~30 NEW XO-1.5 beta laptops now available free !

2009-09-28 Thread Holt
Can't be true? MAD (Make A Difference) It is! Twitter them Masses now http://blog.laptop.org Want to join the OLPC/Sugar volunteer team deciding who the luckiest, most talented 30 contributors will be? Yes You Can :) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_Gang

Re: [IAEP] inquiry on constructionism advantages

2009-09-28 Thread Ian Thomson
Hi Yam, Firstly, I am not an educationalist or even a constructionalist But I suspect that if the goal is to get better scores on standard tests, the best way to achieve that is to teach to pass the test (which is what a lot of education systems are set up to do) If however, you want to teach