Re: [IAEP] Which Language?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Bert Freudenberg > wrote: >> On 28.09.2009, at 17:36, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) >> 250-0112) wrote: >> >>> J, like APL, sadly does not get the publicity that it deserves. > The current Freeware J will run on the XO in character mode from > Terminal. Just download and unpack where you want it to run from. > > J uses standard graphics libraries, so there is no trouble running it > in graphic mode in Gnome. Sugarizing would require further work, > particularly if we want to enable collaboration. > > Eric Iverson, who inherited Ken's IP, is not willing so far to GPL J. > I can ask whether he is willing to let Roger Sugarize the Freeware > version. > >> - Bert - Eric says we can discuss what to do after he gets through the beta of the next version. He is definitely interested in the XO "market", but hasn't decided what approach to take. I also have offers of two other APL-like languages, from Arthur Whitney and the team of Alan Graham and guitarist/programmer Stanley Jordan. -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] 2009-2010 Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election Starting Soon
We have just received a notice that when voting one person only got a partial list of candidates. They solved the issue by discarding the ballot and trying again. David Farning SLOBs election 2009-2010 referee On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM, David Farning wrote: > The elections committee has sorted out all of the know voter issues > which were raised after the trial election earlier this week. > > Eligible members should receive a voter token within the next few minutes. > > If you have any problems please contact me via this mailing list, > memb...@sugarlabs.org, or dfarn...@sugarlabs.org > > David Farning > SLOBs election 2009-2010 referee > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent background inSugar?
Hi Caroline I think what you want to do is to take that picture of the caterpillar and erase all but the caterpillar? To do that you want to "repaint" the picture (it is already an image). First get the "halos" (which every object in Etoys will show) by right clicking on the picture. There is balloon help on most things in Etoys, and each halo handle will say what it does. For example, to duplicate your picture, drag on the green button in the upper right corner. A duplicate copy will drag off. To put something in the trash, click on the "move to trash" handle in the upper left corner. --> To repaint, click on the "repaint" handle on the right side, mid height. There is help about most things in Etoys under the "?" on the Sugar menu bar. For doing your task, I like to choose "no color" in the paint palette (it's the bar over the color rainbow). Then I will choose various sizes of the circular brushes to do the work of removing the background. The "Undo" in the paint box will undo one whole stroke. When done, click on "Keep" in the paint box. If you want to start over, click on "Toss". You now have a picture of the caterpillar with transparent fill around it. The PNG format (a standard open source format) will allow the picture to be filed with the transparent fill preserved. I'm presuming that the reverse of the process you used to get the image into Etoys will get it back to where you want to use it. For a nice way to animate a wriggling caterpillar, you can also look at the example in Sdenka Salas' recent book of the XO in Peru. Don't hesitate to ask more questions. Best wishes, Alan From: Caroline Meeks To: Alan Kay Cc: iaep Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:41:26 PM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent background inSugar? Thanks Alan, Where should I look to figure out Etoys paint. I'm stuck and there is no kid here to teach me! http://screencast.com/t/4lvde8qWV2pD On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > >Paint it in Etoys, save as a .PNG picture > >Cheers, > >Alan > >> > > From: Caroline Meeks >To: iaep >Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:28:22 PM >Subject: [IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent background >inSugar? > > >http://screencast.com/t/K0lH5L7tsBU > > >I am trying to make a new character for cartoon builder. The video explains my >goals. >> >Basically I want to take a picture and cut out just the caterpillar and have >it be cropped/transparent background. > > >thanks, >Caroline > >-- >Caroline Meeks >Solution Grove >carol...@solutiongrove.com > >617-500-3488 - Office >505-213-3268 - Fax > > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] 2009-2010 Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election Starting Soon
Age of Majority?! Don't forget the League of Women Voters favors citizen (re)education/flection (and severe punishment if you fail to vote ;) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates David Farning wrote: > The elections committee has sorted out all of the know voter issues > which were raised after the trial election earlier this week. > > Eligible members should receive a voter token within the next few minutes. > > If you have any problems please contact me via this mailing list, > memb...@sugarlabs.org, or dfarn...@sugarlabs.org > > David Farning > SLOBs election 2009-2010 referee > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent background inSugar?
Thanks Alan, Where should I look to figure out Etoys paint. I'm stuck and there is no kid here to teach me! http://screencast.com/t/4lvde8qWV2pD On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > Paint it in Etoys, save as a .PNG picture > > Cheers, > > Alan > > -- > *From:* Caroline Meeks > *To:* iaep > *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:28:22 PM > *Subject:* [IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent > background inSugar? > > http://screencast.com/t/K0lH5L7tsBU > I am trying to make a new character for cartoon builder. The video explains > my goals. > Basically I want to take a picture and cut out just the caterpillar and > have it be cropped/transparent background. > > thanks, > Caroline > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent background inSugar?
Paint it in Etoys, save as a .PNG picture Cheers, Alan From: Caroline Meeks To: iaep Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:28:22 PM Subject: [IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent background inSugar? http://screencast.com/t/K0lH5L7tsBU I am trying to make a new character for cartoon builder. The video explains my goals. Basically I want to take a picture and cut out just the caterpillar and have it be cropped/transparent background. thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent background inSugar?
http://screencast.com/t/K0lH5L7tsBU I am trying to make a new character for cartoon builder. The video explains my goals. Basically I want to take a picture and cut out just the caterpillar and have it be cropped/transparent background. thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] 2009-2010 Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election Starting Soon
The elections committee has sorted out all of the know voter issues which were raised after the trial election earlier this week. Eligible members should receive a voter token within the next few minutes. If you have any problems please contact me via this mailing list, memb...@sugarlabs.org, or dfarn...@sugarlabs.org David Farning SLOBs election 2009-2010 referee ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] A proposal from Trisquel (Was Re: [SoaS] [DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel)
2009/10/1 Rubén Rodríguez Pérez : [snip] > We did almost no changes to our build scripts for this project, it works > just with the tiny trisquel-sugar metapackage, some artwork, and the > impressive repository Aleksey built for us. Now that is impressive!! -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] A proposal from Trisquel (Was Re: [SoaS] [DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel)
El jue, 01-10-2009 a las 22:04 +0100, Martin Dengler escribió: > On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:47:57PM +0200, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote: > > You can find more info here: http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-sugar > > Thanks for the info. > > Two questions: > > 1) May I ask why you are creating a Sugar spin? Trisquel was born as a university project, and it has a strong focus in education. We think schools are the main battlefront for free software. This is why we made the Trisquel Edu edition, including several sets of educational software running on GNOME, and tools for class management like iTALC or LTSP. Sugar is a wonderful addition to our educational suite, and it can make use of the tools we already have in the system. > 2) How can we send patches? IIUC the latest Trisquel Sugar .ISO won't > boot on an OFW machine like the XO-1 due to the lack of an olpc.fth. We didn't try it on a XO yet, but I will apply for one right now :) I need to read more about OFW, thanks for the links. > One like SoaS uses[1] might be good to include, but - I'm sorry for > the lack of searching skills - I couldn't find a place to submit a > patch that includes a suitable olpc.fth. We use the issue tracker for that: http://trisquel.info/en/project/issues I've just added the "Sugar" component to it. We need to come up with a cool project name. What do you think about "TOAST", for "Trisquel On A Sugar Toast"? :D > Where is the code you use to > generate the ISOs (I assume it's a lot more complex than the SoaS > code[2] because I did manage to find the "How Trisquel is made"[3] > page)? You can find it here: http://devel.trisquel.info/isobuilder/makedistro It is in fact a very simple script, most of the job is done in the Trisquel packages and metapackages. We are now rewriting the script using the live-helper tool from Debian, which should allow us to reduce it to a dozen lines or so. The "How Trisquel is made" describes how the distro was created, but now that it is done, it is a lot easier to maintain than how it looks. If you want a new, let's say, amd64 version of the Sugar iso, you just need to run "makedistro all amd64 trisquel-sugar" and wait for five minutes. We did almost no changes to our build scripts for this project, it works just with the tiny trisquel-sugar metapackage, some artwork, and the impressive repository Aleksey built for us. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] A proposal from Trisquel (Was Re: [SoaS] [DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel)
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:47:57PM +0200, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote: > You can find more info here: http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-sugar Thanks for the info. Two questions: 1) May I ask why you are creating a Sugar spin? 2) How can we send patches? IIUC the latest Trisquel Sugar .ISO won't boot on an OFW machine like the XO-1 due to the lack of an olpc.fth. One like SoaS uses[1] might be good to include, but - I'm sorry for the lack of searching skills - I couldn't find a place to submit a patch that includes a suitable olpc.fth. Where is the code you use to generate the ISOs (I assume it's a lot more complex than the SoaS code[2] because I did manage to find the "How Trisquel is made"[3] page)? > Rubén Martin 1. http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline/tree/soas-base.ks#n137 2. http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline/tree 3. http://trisquel.info/en/wiki/how-trisquel-is-made > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep pgpIUAK4AfIUL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] A proposal from Trisquel (Was Re: [SoaS] [DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel)
Rubén, this is great news and very exciting. I look forward to checking out your work! thanks Sean 2009/10/1 Rubén Rodríguez Pérez : >> > I have no illusions about the difficulty of jumpstarting an >> > ecosystem, but since that is necessary to the success of Sugar, we >> > need to make it happen. I have ideas for plans for that too >> > [...other ideas for plans] >> >> That's all great but it boils down to what I said: we can't do it now, >> where "we" is Sugar Labs and "it" is: create better distro than >> Fedora-ish and service that distro with distro-vendor-quality support >> and infrastructure. >> >> So I propose we come up with some way to do it (ibid.) to propose to >> SLOB or we get real should say we're not going to do it (for now). >> Either is better than the status quo of not doing it and pretend that >> we are > > I'm still a newbie here, but let me propose an idea. Feel free to > discard it if it's inappropriate. > > In the project Trisquel we've just made our own -still unnamed as a > project- version of a "distro for Sugar", and it has all the features > you were talking about in the last days, including a disk installer, > live cd with persistence, live usb with persistence, live usb graphical > creator, Sugar style artwork, LTSP support, unattended installation... > Coming soon we will have unattended distributed installation using pxe. > > We are going to maintain this project no matter if it is used by SL or > not. And as an important feature, Trisquel is fully libre and endorsed > by the FSF. We are open -and looking forward- to collaboration with SL. > > We don't want to compete with other projects like SoaS -we will not use > that name either-, in fact I'd like to thank the SoaS authors, as I'm > sure their work made it easier for us to make our version. > > My only intention with this message is for you to know our alternative. > We are distro hackers -I don't like the "vendors" moniker-, so we have > the skills and resources required, allowing you to focus on the Sugar > development. Now that the initial tasks of our project are done, the > maintenance will be easy. In fact, we will start publishing nightly > builds with the latest Trisquel updates and the latest version of the > Sugar components. We hope it will be a tool for developers and testers. > > You can find more info here: http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-sugar > > Rubén > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] A proposal from Trisquel (Was Re: [SoaS] [DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel)
> > I have no illusions about the difficulty of jumpstarting an > > ecosystem, but since that is necessary to the success of Sugar, we > > need to make it happen. I have ideas for plans for that too > > [...other ideas for plans] > > That's all great but it boils down to what I said: we can't do it now, > where "we" is Sugar Labs and "it" is: create better distro than > Fedora-ish and service that distro with distro-vendor-quality support > and infrastructure. > > So I propose we come up with some way to do it (ibid.) to propose to > SLOB or we get real should say we're not going to do it (for now). > Either is better than the status quo of not doing it and pretend that > we are I'm still a newbie here, but let me propose an idea. Feel free to discard it if it's inappropriate. In the project Trisquel we've just made our own -still unnamed as a project- version of a "distro for Sugar", and it has all the features you were talking about in the last days, including a disk installer, live cd with persistence, live usb with persistence, live usb graphical creator, Sugar style artwork, LTSP support, unattended installation... Coming soon we will have unattended distributed installation using pxe. We are going to maintain this project no matter if it is used by SL or not. And as an important feature, Trisquel is fully libre and endorsed by the FSF. We are open -and looking forward- to collaboration with SL. We don't want to compete with other projects like SoaS -we will not use that name either-, in fact I'd like to thank the SoaS authors, as I'm sure their work made it easier for us to make our version. My only intention with this message is for you to know our alternative. We are distro hackers -I don't like the "vendors" moniker-, so we have the skills and resources required, allowing you to focus on the Sugar development. Now that the initial tasks of our project are done, the maintenance will be easy. In fact, we will start publishing nightly builds with the latest Trisquel updates and the latest version of the Sugar components. We hope it will be a tool for developers and testers. You can find more info here: http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-sugar Rubén signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.86.0 Final Release
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 03:42, Simon Schampijer wrote: > On 10/01/2009 06:13 AM, Kevin Cole wrote: >> >> First: congrats to all. >> >> Second: User-friendliness bug: >> >> The release notes say "Please see the instructions (SoaS, Fedora, >> Ubuntu, Debian, etc.) of choice to upgrade to this release." >> No link to instructions provided in either e-mail or wiki version. >> Searching the wiki turned up "Supported Systems" which merely states >> that to upgrade "sudo olpc-update 767" with the appropriate build >> number. Build number not provided in the release notes. >> >> So a build number and/or a link to the best set of instructions would >> be most welcome. >> >> Thanks. > > This is the announcement of the source tarballs of the Sucrose 0.86 release. > Now it needs to be packaged for the distributions. Each distribution will > have another way of packaging (deb, rpm...) and will have different ways of > updating (yum, aptitude, olpc-update...). > > Sugar is the upstream project, that is why I do not add downstream > distribution notes in the announcements. What would be nice is that > packagers of each distribution update the wiki instructions for their > distribution accordingly and send a note to the mailing list to encourage > testers. > > I hope that we will have a new soas snapshot containing the 0.86 for testing > soon as well. > > In the hope that this explanation is of any help, > Simon Ah. Thanks. Too much e-mail, and that means I am not following as closely as I should, I suspect. The impression I was getting was that "final release" meant "already in some semi-simple way, ready for the XO 1.0, and possibly SoaS". That, and I've been "burning the midnight oil at both ends". (How's that for mixed metaphor?) -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.86.0 Final Release
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 08:42, Simon Schampijer wrote: > On 10/01/2009 06:13 AM, Kevin Cole wrote: >> First: congrats to all. >> >> Second: User-friendliness bug: >> >> The release notes say "Please see the instructions (SoaS, Fedora, >> Ubuntu, Debian, etc.) of choice to upgrade to this release." >> No link to instructions provided in either e-mail or wiki version. >> Searching the wiki turned up "Supported Systems" which merely states >> that to upgrade "sudo olpc-update 767" with the appropriate build >> number. Build number not provided in the release notes. >> >> So a build number and/or a link to the best set of instructions would >> be most welcome. >> >> Thanks. > > This is the announcement of the source tarballs of the Sucrose 0.86 > release. Now it needs to be packaged for the distributions. Each > distribution will have another way of packaging (deb, rpm...) and will > have different ways of updating (yum, aptitude, olpc-update...). > > Sugar is the upstream project, that is why I do not add downstream > distribution notes in the announcements. What would be nice is that > packagers of each distribution update the wiki instructions for their > distribution accordingly and send a note to the mailing list to > encourage testers. > > I hope that we will have a new soas snapshot containing the 0.86 for > testing soon as well. Sugar has been mentioned in the release notes of Fedora and Mandriva releases, which contain links to installation instructions for each of them. Would be great if other distros also did the same. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugarcamp_Bolzano_2009
On 09/30/2009 02:31 AM, David Farning wrote: > I would like to re-extend the invitation for Sugarcamp_Bolzano_2009[1]. > > As it stands, we have four people currently registered: > 1. Simon Schampijer > 2. Tomeu Vizoso > 3. Walter Bender > 4. David Farning > > If anyone else is interested please add your name to the wiki page[1]. > > > > 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/Sugarcamp_Bolzano_2009 Thanks David for reaching out with this request. I myself want to talk about the following: I added some items to the topics section, I would like to talk about. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/Sugarcamp_Bolzano_2009#Topics_ideas Thanks, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.86.0 Final Release
On 10/01/2009 06:13 AM, Kevin Cole wrote: > First: congrats to all. > > Second: User-friendliness bug: > > The release notes say "Please see the instructions (SoaS, Fedora, > Ubuntu, Debian, etc.) of choice to upgrade to this release." > No link to instructions provided in either e-mail or wiki version. > Searching the wiki turned up "Supported Systems" which merely states > that to upgrade "sudo olpc-update 767" with the appropriate build > number. Build number not provided in the release notes. > > So a build number and/or a link to the best set of instructions would > be most welcome. > > Thanks. This is the announcement of the source tarballs of the Sucrose 0.86 release. Now it needs to be packaged for the distributions. Each distribution will have another way of packaging (deb, rpm...) and will have different ways of updating (yum, aptitude, olpc-update...). Sugar is the upstream project, that is why I do not add downstream distribution notes in the announcements. What would be nice is that packagers of each distribution update the wiki instructions for their distribution accordingly and send a note to the mailing list to encourage testers. I hope that we will have a new soas snapshot containing the 0.86 for testing soon as well. In the hope that this explanation is of any help, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
