Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Turtle Art on Activities.sugarlabs.org

[Edward Cherlin]

Not just kids. I had to do my own detective work in order to send
Walter a set of TA sessions for various lessons.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 13:08, David Farning  wrote:
> The other day during an infrastructure meeting, Walter brought up some
> thought on how to enable kids to exchange Turtle Art projects
>
> Alsroot has been thinking about how to do this through a.sl.o since he
> became the activities.sugarlabs.org code maintainer.
>
> The high level view is that someone can easily upload Turtle Art creations
> to somewhere and then they, or others, can go to a portal to download other
> Turtle Art creations.
>
> Client side, this would require:
> 1. Adding a widget to either the journal or the TA activity to upload the TA
> Bundle.
> 2. Adding a TA bundle installer to handler TA Bundle downloads.
>
> Server side, this would require:
> 1. A place to accept TA bundle uploads.
> 2. A search-able place from which to download TA bundles
>
> We have some similar systems we can look to as examples.
> 1. Scratch -- Scratch has an upload button and users can download scratch
> projects from --  http://scratch.mit.edu/galleries/browse/newest
> 2. ASLO --  Users upload XO bundles via a web interface and download via a
> web interface.
>
> My initial instinct is to see if ASLO can be adopted to fit this need.
> Primarily because we have it, it works, and it is scalable.  On the other
> hand, if the only tool in one's toolbox is a hammer, everything looks like a
> nail. (How is that for over using clichés and buzzword?)
>
> Considerations:
> ASLO rocks:)
> ASLO can be adapted to handle various file types.  For example:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:2
>
> Each file type can have a separate look and feel.
>
> Is the activity creation and upload process too complicated for young users?
>
> Moving forward:
> Would it be possible to journal or TA widget which:
> 1.  Walks the student though a upload wizard.
> 2.  Combines the TA project into a into a bundle with the metadata generated
> in the wizard.
> 3.  Sends the bundle to activites.sl.o/uploads
>
> Would it be possible to setup/adapt ASLO to:
> 1. Handle TA files types.
> 2. Accepts TA bundles+metadata uploads and inserts them into the review
> queue.
>
> david
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[IAEP] Sugar Digest 2010-02-28

[Walter Bender]

===Sugar Digest===

1. Tomorrow (Monday, 1 March) is Triage Day for the next Sugar
release: Sucrose 0.88. We'll be meeting on irc.freenode.net channel
#sugar-meeting at 14UTC (9EST) to review the open tickets for the 0.88
milestone. We'll also look at tickets from previous milestones that
have remain open. The goal is to prioritize tickets based on their
severity and their impact on our learning mission; we will
subsequently allocate resources to the most important tickets; the
milestone on some tickets will be reassigned to 0.90.

There are many ways to contribute to the triage effort: feedback from
the field about priorities is especially important. Of course, we'd
also like to hear from you if you'll have time to help with coding.

Please join us.

2. Stefan Unterhauser (dogi) has set up http://idea.sugarlabs.org as a
place to capture ideas and discussions.

===In the community===

3. Deborah Nicholson of the Free Software Foundation asked me to pass
along an announcement about LibrePlanet, a "free as in freedom"
software conference. You can register at
http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/LibrePlanet2010.

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] SoaS & rlt8102e problems

[Cherry Withers]

Fraid you'd say that. Now back home...looking for a cable. :)
Thanks again Tim!

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Tim McNamara
wrote:

> On 1 March 2010 13:00, Cherry Withers  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Thanks. But I can't do "yum" because it relies on a network connection
>> which I don't have in the first place. At least
>> that's how I thought it works.
>>
>>
> Yes, that's correct. Your best bet is to find an ethernet cable & plug it
> into the router. A slightly more tedious route is to download the specific
> .rpm files, but I don't know where to look for those, unfortunately.
>
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Re: [IAEP] SoaS & rlt8102e problems

[Tim McNamara]

On 1 March 2010 13:00, Cherry Withers  wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> Thanks. But I can't do "yum" because it relies on a network connection
> which I don't have in the first place. At least
> that's how I thought it works.
>
>
Yes, that's correct. Your best bet is to find an ethernet cable & plug it
into the router. A slightly more tedious route is to download the specific
.rpm files, but I don't know where to look for those, unfortunately.
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Re: [IAEP] SoaS & rlt8102e problems

[Cherry Withers]

Hi Tim,

Thanks. But I can't do "yum" because it relies on a network connection which
I don't have in the first place. At least
that's how I thought it works.

 :(

--Cherry

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Tim McNamara
wrote:

> On 1 March 2010 12:11, Cherry Withers  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've been trying to run SoaS on both my Windows XP and Vista netbooks and
>> ran into the problem of not being able get a wifi access. So I went through
>> these exercise:
>> 1) downloaded the linux driver support for the chipset
>> 2) untar the file in my SoaS root directory
>> 3) but on the step where I had to run "make".. no dice.
>>
>> I am a newbie Linux user. I'm using the blueberry version of SoaS. Is
>> there supposed to be a developer version that I have to be using instead
>> which has make and C compiler installed? Please advice thank you!  Please
>> don't send me into the wiki labyrinth.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cherry
>
>
> Cherry,
>
> I'm not a Fedora user, but this should lead you on the right way. Try going
> into terminal then typing *yum groupinstall "Development Tools"*. The
> quotes are important.
>
> Once you've done that, try these commands. Omit square brackets.
>
> cd /path/to/extracted/tar/file [go to right place]
> ./configure [tell compiler about your system]
> make [generate instructions for compiler]
> sudu su [change to root user]
> make install [compile software]
> exit [return to normal user]
>
> -Tim.
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Re: [IAEP] SoaS & rlt8102e problems

[Tim McNamara]

On 1 March 2010 12:11, Cherry Withers  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've been trying to run SoaS on both my Windows XP and Vista netbooks and
> ran into the problem of not being able get a wifi access. So I went through
> these exercise:
> 1) downloaded the linux driver support for the chipset
> 2) untar the file in my SoaS root directory
> 3) but on the step where I had to run "make".. no dice.
>
> I am a newbie Linux user. I'm using the blueberry version of SoaS. Is there
> supposed to be a developer version that I have to be using instead which has
> make and C compiler installed? Please advice thank you!  Please don't send
> me into the wiki labyrinth.
>
> Thanks,
> Cherry


Cherry,

I'm not a Fedora user, but this should lead you on the right way. Try going
into terminal then typing *yum groupinstall "Development Tools"*. The quotes
are important.

Once you've done that, try these commands. Omit square brackets.

cd /path/to/extracted/tar/file [go to right place]
./configure [tell compiler about your system]
make [generate instructions for compiler]
sudu su [change to root user]
make install [compile software]
exit [return to normal user]

-Tim.
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[IAEP] SoaS & rlt8102e problems

[Cherry Withers]

Hi All,

I've been trying to run SoaS on both my Windows XP and Vista netbooks and
ran into the problem of not being able get a wifi access. So I went through
these exercise:
1) downloaded the linux driver support for the chipset
2) untar the file in my SoaS root directory
3) but on the step where I had to run "make".. no dice.

I am a newbie Linux user. I'm using the blueberry version of SoaS. Is there
supposed to be a developer version that I have to be using instead which has
make and C compiler installed? Please advice thank you!  Please don't send
me into the wiki labyrinth.

Thanks,
Cherry
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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] [Sugar-devel] Turtle Art on Activities.sugarlabs.org

[David Farning]

+1. Solutions Grovey has several moodle experts in house

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Bernie Innocenti  
wrote:
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 15:34 +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
> we can move in several directions at the same time,
>
> * web hosting,
>   I'm more thinking about Moodle because hacking AMO will increase 
ASLO
>   patch which could be wrong way to go since we don't have PHP coders
>   involeved to ASLO coding

We already have a Moodle instance running here:

 http://schools.sugarlabs.org/

I don't know if anyone is using it, and it may very well be an updated
version at this time. Caroline could tell you more about it.

If you need a development Moodle installation, just let me know.


> * sugar UI,
>   we already have FileShare activity
>   I'm working on Library-2 activity which should support not only 
server
>   model but also per-to-peer sharing model (activity will have thumb
>   view to make object browsing more useful)

Very interesting...

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Re: [IAEP] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library

[James Simmons]

Regarding Java, I have used and developed Java apps on hardware that
is not much more powerful than the XO-1.  Given a choice between Java
and Flash I'd rather have people developing in Java.  While 55 meg is
a lot on the XO-1 on SoaS or the XO 1.5 it isn't that bad.  I think
the real question here is do we support creating "pure Java"
Activities, and what benefit there would be to doing that.  Much of
the Java software we'd like to support might be in the form of
applets.  We could certainly allow Browse to support applets without
providing a pure Java Activity framework.  We could also distribute
such applets in the form of Activities that use hulahop, like Social
Calc and the Karma apps do.

I've programmed in Java for many years and I'd have to say that Java
IDEs seem to be more powerful than Eric but I prefer Python as a
language and a development platform.  My proposal would be to treat
Java as a less objectionable alternative to Flash.  You would not be
able to write a first class Activity in it, but you could create a
non-collaborating applet run by hulahop and distribute it on ASLO.

James Simmons


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Re: [IAEP] [FIELDBACK] Etoys

[roberto]

>>> >>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Simon Schampijer
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hi,
>>> 
>>>  I am teaching on a regular basis in the Planetarium pilot in Berlin,
>>>  Germany [1]. I have been using Etoys now for several weeks and here
>>>  is
>>>  some first feedback.
>>> 
>>>  First: The kids do like it a lot! I want to encourage everyone to
>>>  include it in his curriculum.
>>> 
>>>  For example you can teach easily the concepts of the coordinate
>>>  system
>>>  with Etoys. You create an object and print out the X and Y values
>>>  when
>>>  moving it on the screen. Or you can use a joystick to alter the
>>>  position
>>>  of this object and use this method to deepen the coordinate system
>>>  concept.

thank you for sharing you experience;
i have to choose between EToys, Turtle Art and Scratch for next year
math courses;

i like TA too much and i won't take it apart;
but i need to understand well the differences between EToys and Scratch:
their goals, their functionalities, pros/cons etc

is there a comparative study available ?

-- 
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