[IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
I made a first pass at a process on the team page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team#How_to_add_topics -walter On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Digest 2010-05-20
==Sugar Digest== 1. A few weeks ago, when I was being hosted by Stephen Jacobs at RIT, we had an opportunity to visit the Museum of Play in Rochester (http://www.museumofplay.org). I got a behind-the-scenes look at their collection, which includes a vast collection of computer games and learning materials. I offered to send them the original OLPC XO laptop—I have one of the two engineering prototypes—for their collection. One of the nice things as you walk through the museum is that on almost every wall is a quote about play. They have a nice collection of quotes on line as well (See http://www.museumofplay.org/about_play/quotes.html). I read them a favorite quote from Marvin Minsky, which seemed to resonate with them: The playfulness of childhood is the most demanding teacher we have. We talked about how we might engage them in some informal learning activities using Sugar. I had written an NSF grant a while back: Adding depth to and building community within informal education, which was rejected, but is worth pursing nonetheless. I'd proposed to explore how children's activities at informal learning venues can be extended by providing learners with inexpensive, ubiquitous access to learning software (Sugar on a Stick). By designing, developing, and testing a proof of concept that combines informal learning activities with in-depth follow up at home or in the classroom we still hope to demonstrate a learning ecology that increases public interest in, understanding of, and engagement with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. Specifically, I proposed to leverage Sugar on a Stick to promote the use of Sugar in informal learning settings: prototyping Sugar-based exhibit kiosks in museums and libraries that will facilitate visitor interactions. Visitors will be given a Sugar-on-a-Stick USB storage device with which they can make bookmarks of exhibits that they visited, found interesting, or saved data from. Exhibit designers can use kiosks to collect visitor information and offer additional activities and data that visitors can work with when back at school or home. Activities can be downloaded to the Sugar-on-a-Stick device from the kiosk. The work done by visitors can be incorporated into the exhibit itself and featured on line, with the potential to reach a broader audience. I still hope to learn how the data- and instrumentation-rich facilities found in informal learning settings and Sugar might be combined to further engage the interest of learners in scientific and technological literacy. I hypothesized that by giving visitors the ability to take programs and data home with them, we will be able to challenge them with more in-depth and engaging problem solving. Giving them activities to take home, connecting these activities to other learning experiences and interests, and connecting these activities to a community of learners are significant enhancements to the status quo of informal learning. We need to evaluate the technical, logistical, and pedagogical impacts on the museum exhibit experience, library digital and human resources, and education programs s that we can develop an implementation guide for informal-learning professionals. === Help wanted === 2. We have a number of vacancies (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vacancies). Many of these positions require organization as opposed to technical skills and only a commitment of a few hours per week. ===In the community=== 3. The dates for Squeakfest USA in Wilmington NC are July 26, 27, 28. See http://squeakfest.org for more details. === Tech talk === 4. Many thanks to Josh Williams, who led a team effort to update the wiki to a new, cleaner style. Also, thanks to Bernie Innocenti for moving the wiki to a new server. 5. We are very close to having the final production builds of Fedora 11/Sugar 0.84 available for both the OLPC XO-1 and OLPC XO-1.5 machines. Many 0.88 patches have been backported, making this version of Sugar quite robust. 6. With help from Reuben Caron, Paul Fox, Bernie Innocenti, and Chris Ball, I managed to add a new control panel section for switching between the capacitive and resistive touchpads on the OLPC XO-1 CL1 hardware (See [[http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Touchpad_control_panel_section). The motivation for this work is to give the children who have been struggling with the jumpy capacitive touchpad on the first-generation XO-1 hardware access to the stylus. We'll be testing the patch in Peru, Paraguay, and Nigeria. ===Sugar Labs=== Gary Martin has generated a SOM from the past week of discussion on the IAEP mailing list. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:2010-May-8-14-som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:2010-May-1-7-som.jpg Visit our planet [http://planet.sugarlabs.org] for more updates about Sugar and Sugar deployments. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
I added some topics. When is the next meeting planned ? Who will be the coordinator ?. Rafael Ortiz 2010/5/20 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com: I made a first pass at a process on the team page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team#How_to_add_topics -walter On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:03 -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: I added some topics. When is the next meeting planned ? I am still trying to figure out how to get in touch with at least someone from each deployment (that is, I'd like a list of active deployments). How about the last Friday of May (28th)? That would give us enough time to get the word out. Who will be the coordinator ?. I have no problems in volunteering if no one else can take the place. Cheers, Raúl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:38 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I made a first pass at a process on the team page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team#How_to_add_topics So far we've got: 1. Migration to Sugar 0.88 2. Deployments Concerns 3. How to integrate better deployments and upstream work ? For a first meeting that might be good enough.. I guess people usually have 1-2 hours for such meetings. Something I've been wanting to discuss with Deployment for a while is good practices with School Servers management. Martin and Daniel have been discussing this recently in server-devel.. but I'd like to know more about deployments. But maybe we are better off leaving for a 2nd meeting? Raúl -walter On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
Hi rgs. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:03 -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: I added some topics. When is the next meeting planned ? I am still trying to figure out how to get in touch with at least someone from each deployment (that is, I'd like a list of active deployments). I'll be there representing SugarLabs Co. How about the last Friday of May (28th)? That would give us enough time to get the word out. Great. Who will be the coordinator ?. I have no problems in volunteering if no one else can take the place. Nice, thanks for this effort. Cheers, Raúl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 18:37, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:38 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I made a first pass at a process on the team page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team#How_to_add_topics So far we've got: 1. Migration to Sugar 0.88 2. Deployments Concerns 3. How to integrate better deployments and upstream work ? For a first meeting that might be good enough.. I guess people usually have 1-2 hours for such meetings. Something I've been wanting to discuss with Deployment for a while is good practices with School Servers management. Martin and Daniel have been discussing this recently in server-devel.. but I'd like to know more about deployments. But maybe we are better off leaving for a 2nd meeting? My initial thinking was that the first meeting would be about the team itself, so we set up the base for the actual work that will happen onwards. Specifically, topics such as updating the mission statement, the member list, checking the TODO list is updated, setting some goals for the next months, discussing how to reach the deployments that inevitably will be out of touch, etc. But as you said, meeting time is limited, so maybe we can do those on the mailing list? Thanks a lot for leading this effort, Raul! Regards, Tomeu Raúl -walter On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
Tomeu, On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 18:46 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 18:37, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:38 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I made a first pass at a process on the team page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team#How_to_add_topics So far we've got: 1. Migration to Sugar 0.88 2. Deployments Concerns 3. How to integrate better deployments and upstream work ? For a first meeting that might be good enough.. I guess people usually have 1-2 hours for such meetings. Something I've been wanting to discuss with Deployment for a while is good practices with School Servers management. Martin and Daniel have been discussing this recently in server-devel.. but I'd like to know more about deployments. But maybe we are better off leaving for a 2nd meeting? My initial thinking was that the first meeting would be about the team itself, so we set up the base for the actual work that will happen onwards. Specifically, topics such as updating the mission statement, the member list, checking the TODO list is updated, setting some goals for the next months, discussing how to reach the deployments that inevitably will be out of touch, etc. Makes much more sense... If at least we can get most of the deployments into the meeting and we can start to build conscience of working together it would be a great start! But as you said, meeting time is limited, so maybe we can do those on the mailing list? +1 Cheers, Raúl Thanks a lot for leading this effort, Raul! Regards, Tomeu Raúl -walter On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 13:00 -0400, Anurag Goel wrote: May 28th sounds good. Are we set on a time yet? Would 18 UTC work? Raúl I would like to have a few of my team members present at the meeting to share information/plans about our SoaS deployment in Delhi, India this summer. Thanks, Anurag On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: Tomeu, On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 18:46 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 18:37, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:38 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I made a first pass at a process on the team page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team#How_to_add_topics So far we've got: 1. Migration to Sugar 0.88 2. Deployments Concerns 3. How to integrate better deployments and upstream work ? For a first meeting that might be good enough.. I guess people usually have 1-2 hours for such meetings. Something I've been wanting to discuss with Deployment for a while is good practices with School Servers management. Martin and Daniel have been discussing this recently in server-devel.. but I'd like to know more about deployments. But maybe we are better off leaving for a 2nd meeting? My initial thinking was that the first meeting would be about the team itself, so we set up the base for the actual work that will happen onwards. Specifically, topics such as updating the mission statement, the member list, checking the TODO list is updated, setting some goals for the next months, discussing how to reach the deployments that inevitably will be out of touch, etc. Makes much more sense... If at least we can get most of the deployments into the meeting and we can start to build conscience of working together it would be a great start! But as you said, meeting time is limited, so maybe we can do those on the mailing list? +1 Cheers, Raúl Thanks a lot for leading this effort, Raul! Regards, Tomeu Raúl -walter On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Anurag Goel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
18UTC does not work well given this collides exactly with the 2PM start of our deployment summit in the US Virgin Islands: http://realness.org/schedule/ Can we make it a few hours earlier? Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 13:00 -0400, Anurag Goel wrote: May 28th sounds good. Are we set on a time yet? Would 18 UTC work? Raúl I would like to have a few of my team members present at the meeting to share information/plans about our SoaS deployment in Delhi, India this summer. Thanks, Anurag On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: Tomeu, On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 18:46 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 18:37, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:38 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I made a first pass at a process on the team page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team#How_to_add_topics So far we've got: 1. Migration to Sugar 0.88 2. Deployments Concerns 3. How to integrate better deployments and upstream work ? For a first meeting that might be good enough.. I guess people usually have 1-2 hours for such meetings. Something I've been wanting to discuss with Deployment for a while is good practices with School Servers management. Martin and Daniel have been discussing this recently in server-devel.. but I'd like to know more about deployments. But maybe we are better off leaving for a 2nd meeting? My initial thinking was that the first meeting would be about the team itself, so we set up the base for the actual work that will happen onwards. Specifically, topics such as updating the mission statement, the member list, checking the TODO list is updated, setting some goals for the next months, discussing how to reach the deployments that inevitably will be out of touch, etc. Makes much more sense... If at least we can get most of the deployments into the meeting and we can start to build conscience of working together it would be a great start! But as you said, meeting time is limited, so maybe we can do those on the mailing list? +1 Cheers, Raúl Thanks a lot for leading this effort, Raul! Regards, Tomeu Raúl -walter On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Anurag Goel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment meeting agenda
On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 13:36 -0400, Holt wrote: 18UTC does not work well given this collides exactly with the 2PM start of our deployment summit in the US Virgin Islands: http://realness.org/schedule/ Can we make it a few hours earlier? Sorry about that, maybe we could switch the date.. Let me check with .PE, .UY and .AR (haven't contact them privately, yet). Raúl Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 13:00 -0400, Anurag Goel wrote: May 28th sounds good. Are we set on a time yet? Would 18 UTC work? Raúl I would like to have a few of my team members present at the meeting to share information/plans about our SoaS deployment in Delhi, India this summer. Thanks, Anurag On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: Tomeu, On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 18:46 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 18:37, Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:38 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I made a first pass at a process on the team page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team#How_to_add_topics So far we've got: 1. Migration to Sugar 0.88 2. Deployments Concerns 3. How to integrate better deployments and upstream work ? For a first meeting that might be good enough.. I guess people usually have 1-2 hours for such meetings. Something I've been wanting to discuss with Deployment for a while is good practices with School Servers management. Martin and Daniel have been discussing this recently in server-devel.. but I'd like to know more about deployments. But maybe we are better off leaving for a 2nd meeting? My initial thinking was that the first meeting would be about the team itself, so we set up the base for the actual work that will happen onwards. Specifically, topics such as updating the mission statement, the member list, checking the TODO list is updated, setting some goals for the next months, discussing how to reach the deployments that inevitably will be out of touch, etc. Makes much more sense... If at least we can get most of the deployments into the meeting and we can start to build conscience of working together it would be a great start! But as you said, meeting time is limited, so maybe we can do those on the mailing list? +1 Cheers, Raúl Thanks a lot for leading this effort, Raul! Regards, Tomeu Raúl -walter On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi, how do we propose topics for the next meeting? The wiki is a bit ambiguous on this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings I'd suggest we do something along the lines of what we do for the oversight-board meetings: simply let people add topic suggestions to the wiki and have the team then decide which will be discussed at the meeting. -walter Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Supporting Sugar .88 on the XO1
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: david wrote: As Bernie announced, we working on supporting Sugar .88 on the XO-1. hi david -- for those of us joining this thread late, can you expand on what/who you mean by we? (or tell me to read the archives, if that's more appropriate.) Sorry, By we, I mean Activity Central and compnay that Bernie, Caroline, and I have started to support OLPC and Sugar deployments. It is going to take me awhile to figure out how to communicate with the community. I would like to keep the larger Sugar and OLPC projects aware of what our company is doing. But, I don't what it to sound like a press release of pitch for the company:) david paul This projects is customer driven by the deployment in Paraguay. They, along with bernie, made a decision that it would be more useful, usable, and cost effective to settle on .88 rather than .82. This strictly a decision made by a single deployment, which I support. As an ecosystem we can make lists of Pros on Cons why this is a good or bad decision and why I am an idiot. At the end of the day this was a decision made by a deployment. The primary reason for this decision is that the deployment does not yet has an established base of .82 machines. Something we need to be aware of as developers is that deployments think on a much longer scale. As developers, if we have a bug we can commit a fix and rebuild within a few days. Deployments can take weeks if not months to push a minor update. Major version upgrades are something developers can do every six months. From my experience a couple couple of weeks of 'hmmm, better file a bug on that' and I have well running machines after an upgrade. For a enterprise, such as a deployment, the decision to update becomes much harder and takes much longer to implement. As Martin pointed out, a significant amount of Quality Assurance goes into a deployment upgrade. Not only do the hardware, OS, and learning platform need to work together, all infrastructure, activities and third party applications must also work after the update. The problem just got significantly harder:) If I hit a bug while while sitting in my office that is one thing. If a teacher hits a bug where the computers no longer connect to the server that is another thing entirely. On the other hand, there have been several significant improvements in both Sugar and Fedora over the last couple of releases. It would be valuable to make those improvement available to end users. My research has indicated that education institutions find that 3 years is the right balance between stability and improved functionality of new software. Because to the newness of the Sugar 2 years is a reasonable first round of updates due to the higher than normal increases in usefulness and usability. Blame and credit are important motivators in this game:( As such, if we fail, it is the fault of Bernie, paraguayeduca, and I for: 1) starting with a bad premise, 2) making bad technical decision, or 3) making bad operational decisions. If we fail it will be due to the cooperative efforts of deployments, Sugar Labs, OLPC, and other interested third parties. david ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
