Re: [IAEP] Sugata Mitra at TED 2013
I watched this on my TV last night. Smart TVs and devices like the Sony Net Player have a channel that lets you watch any TED talk, and that's how I watched it. One thing I remember is that Mitra did think a teacher was necessary to pose problems to the students. He suggested asking a student how to tell if an asteroid was going to hit the Earth and suggesting that knowing the tangent of an angle might be part of the solution. I have a niece (in the sense that I am a friend of her father) who went to the Illinois Math And Science Academy. Her father kept complaining that the teachers don't teach!, and I think their methods are a bit like Mitra is suggesting. I have to agree with Mitra that current education is preparing kids for a world that doesn't exist anymore. I also thought the conclusion of his speech was just about perfect. James Simmons On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Nicholas Doiron ndoi...@mapmeld.comwrote: I watched this video with some of the OLPC team at the Ministry of Education, Marshall Islands. As you might imagine, the video was enlightening but somewhat threatening. A speech saying the education system is obsolete! Students using computers without anyone deciding what they should learn! In the US, similar ideas led to the unschoolinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschoolingmovement. There are a lot of smart kids and great programs, but I saw one interview where a parent argued that if their kids needed algebra, they would read about it and learn. How will they recognize an algebra problem when they see it (for example, the parabola of a flying baseball)? How will they know that it can be calculated at all? When you're talking about implementing this in a school, that's a big risk for the principal and teachers to take. I want to make room for open-ended student-led research - like the DNA reading, the electrons project - in a standard classroom. Computers are making this possible for younger students. But I'm wary of telling teachers that students are going to learn best while they're on their own. -- Nick Doiron San Francisco, CA On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki.ohsh...@acm.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Dominik Granada dgran...@frks.pl wrote: Arthur Benjamin says: teach statistics before calculus (check on TED) - cant paste link now Free and democratic schools experience indicates that strong testing and guidance understood traditionally are at least obsolete. and btw children in free schools learn calculus when they see the need for it I should have written: children won't invent calculus. (A big mistake, sorry about it.) As Walter wrote, that was what it meant. If you want to learn about the context of that statement, you can Google for it. Because calculus (and statistics, sure) is so cool that I'd hope that children learn it. If a child is in the project-based learning setting, I sure hope that he takes on a project that does give him a reason to learn it. If it is solely based on the need for it, however, surely most people are not going to need to learn calculus or statistics. cheers DG Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki.ohsh...@acm.org napisał: On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, When I was teaching I had a saying usually attributed to Confucius (carefully hand drawn in calligraphy… no computers available to print it then) and hung above the chalkboard (old technology). It was my motto for teaching: I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. It may have been first said 2500 years ago, but I believe it is still valid today. That is why I do what I do! Invoking proverbs is fun as you can always find the one that argues for the other way. The above one probably was a somewhat liberal translation of what Xunzi (荀子) wrot e. But one other thing Confucius said was: 學而不思則罔、思而不學則殆, for which I found an English translation: If you learn without thinking, you cannot understand truly. If you think without learning, you will be self-righteous. (I might translate the last word to dangerous, as it is closer to the original meaning.) Alan Kay often says: Children won't discover calculus on their own. Doing is important, but in the learning process good checking system and guidance is essential. The above quote should be taken as in addition to hearing and seeing, you should do things. -- -- Yoshiki IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Wysłane z telefonu. -- -- Yoshiki ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
Folks, Heading to Haiting in two days and I have 3 XO's. 1. How can I take a picture with the camera? 1. Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-615, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. 2. How can I install new activities (for whatever reason the XO's I have can't see my wireless network at home? 3. How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? 4. Can I download Activites to the USB and install from there? If so how? 5. Also tried to use Sugar on some laptops I am taking down with Virtual Box, but no luck. If I can schedule a chat or Google Hangout with someone to get some help that would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks, Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
1. Use the Record Activity on the home screen. Scratch can also access the camera in the costumes tab. 2. You can download .xo activity files from Sugarlabs.org to a USB drive. Insert the drive in the XO and view that volume in the Journal. Clicking once on the app icon will install the app and launch it. Make sure there aren't many files in your USB drive as the Sugar Journal does not list files by folder. Everything is flattened in one long list. Hopefully someone can answer your other questions. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Folks, Heading to Haiting in two days and I have 3 XO's. How can I take a picture with the camera? Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. How can I install new activities (for whatever reason the XO's I have can't see my wireless network at home? How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? Can I download Activites to the USB and install from there? If so how? Also tried to use Sugar on some laptops I am taking down with Virtual Box, but no luck. If I can schedule a chat or Google Hangout with someone to get some help that would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks, Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
FYI on Sugar with Virtual Box problem seems there are two sets of instructions on the Wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/VirtualBox - The one I had problems with and has a filename error for the V7 version http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Virtual_machines which I am trying now. Stephen On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.comwrote: Folks, Heading to Haiting in two days and I have 3 XO's. 1. How can I take a picture with the camera? 1. Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-615, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. 2. How can I install new activities (for whatever reason the XO's I have can't see my wireless network at home? 3. How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? 4. Can I download Activites to the USB and install from there? If so how? 5. Also tried to use Sugar on some laptops I am taking down with Virtual Box, but no luck. If I can schedule a chat or Google Hangout with someone to get some help that would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks, Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Folks, Heading to Haiting in two days and I have 3 XO's. How can I take a picture with the camera? Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. The camera block in Turtle Art should work with the built-in camera. Also, it will work with a USB camera. How can I install new activities (for whatever reason the XO's I have can't see my wireless network at home? How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? /run/media/olpc/??? Can I download Activites to the USB and install from there? If so how? Also tried to use Sugar on some laptops I am taking down with Virtual Box, but no luck. If I can schedule a chat or Google Hangout with someone to get some help that would be GREATLY appreciated. Opening the USB device from the Journal will work or use unzip from Terminal, e.g., cd /home/olpc/Activities unzip /run/media/olpc/???/myactivity.xo good luck -walter Thanks, Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
I didn't know external USB cameras are supported. Can't wait to try that! On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Folks, Heading to Haiting in two days and I have 3 XO's. How can I take a picture with the camera? Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. The camera block in Turtle Art should work with the built-in camera. Also, it will work with a USB camera. How can I install new activities (for whatever reason the XO's I have can't see my wireless network at home? How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? /run/media/olpc/??? Can I download Activites to the USB and install from there? If so how? Also tried to use Sugar on some laptops I am taking down with Virtual Box, but no luck. If I can schedule a chat or Google Hangout with someone to get some help that would be GREATLY appreciated. Opening the USB device from the Journal will work or use unzip from Terminal, e.g., cd /home/olpc/Activities unzip /run/media/olpc/???/myactivity.xo good luck -walter Thanks, Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
On 2013-03-13, at 16:50, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. Possibly the Camera plugin is missing? See /usr/lib/squeak/... How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? Likely /media, formerly /mnt. The Journal auto-mounts it. I think if you hover over the usb icon in the Journal it shows the path. If it doesn't show up in Journal, you likely can't access it in the terminal either, because it's not mounted. Can I download Activites to the USB and install from there? If so how? Using the Journal, as Mike wrote, or from the terminal using sugar-install-bundle. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
Walter, Thanks found USB and should be able to install activities, Etoys projects etc. Camera block did not work when I tried last night. But does not give the same error now. Also Record Activity is now working (as suggested by Tony), that also did not work last night. Regarding the Virtual Box could not get it to work. May be lack of memory available on my machine (only 1GB and could only allow Sugar to run with 512MB). Will try on another laptop. Thanks, Stephen On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Folks, Heading to Haiting in two days and I have 3 XO's. How can I take a picture with the camera? Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. The camera block in Turtle Art should work with the built-in camera. Also, it will work with a USB camera. How can I install new activities (for whatever reason the XO's I have can't see my wireless network at home? How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? /run/media/olpc/??? Can I download Activites to the USB and install from there? If so how? Also tried to use Sugar on some laptops I am taking down with Virtual Box, but no luck. If I can schedule a chat or Google Hangout with someone to get some help that would be GREATLY appreciated. Opening the USB device from the Journal will work or use unzip from Terminal, e.g., cd /home/olpc/Activities unzip /run/media/olpc/???/myactivity.xo good luck -walter Thanks, Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How to access USB
Hi, Just a note: Prior to 12.1.0, the path was /media/??? This is a little problematic because: cd /media/ ls on a 12.1.0 shows nothing (on an earlier system you should see ???). Also on an earlier system: cd /run/media/olpc will show No such file or directory. On 12.1.0, if you cd /run/media/olpc with no drive mounted you get 'No such file or directory' not an empty folder. (sigh). Tony On 03/13/2013 01:04 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:15:58 -0400 From: Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com To: Steve Thomassthom...@gosargon.com Cc: iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? /run/media/olpc/??? good luck -walter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
On 03/13/2013 09:20 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 2013-03-13, at 16:50, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. Possibly the Camera plugin is missing? See /usr/lib/squeak/... How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? Likely /media, formerly /mnt. The Journal auto-mounts it. I think if you hover over the usb icon in the Journal it shows the path. If it doesn't show up in Journal, you likely can't access it in the terminal either, because it's not mounted. Can I download Activites to the USB and install from there? If so how? Look at this tutorial: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Copy_with_drag_%26_drop It will install the xx.xo files on the USb if you drag the files from the USB to the journal. Tom Gilliard Using the Journal, as Mike wrote, or from the terminal using sugar-install-bundle. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
Bert, On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 2013-03-13, at 16:50, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. Possibly the Camera plugin is missing? See /usr/lib/squeak/... I have the mcz packages from WebCamMorph, on the USB drive. How do I load them into Etoys on XO? Ie: I know the path, but I usually just drag and drop. Is there a simple command I can use to load or ??? Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB
Bert/Karl, Figured out how to load the Monticello packages. But Camera still does not work. I downloaded from http://www.squeaksource.com/WebCamMorph.html the two latest mcz files: Filename http://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?16Authorhttp://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?17 Timestamp http://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?18Actions CameraPlugin-dmoc.2.mczhttp://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?19Derek O'Connell http://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?202010-05-31 11:30:05details http://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?21 download http://www.squeaksource.com/WebCamMorph/CameraPlugin-dmoc.2.mcz WebCamMorph-kfr.7.mczhttp://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?22http://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?232011-10-17 20:26:45details http://www.squeaksource.com/@YOtMYeDhCTYq5_lc/4s13Sgnr?24 download http://www.squeaksource.com/WebCamMorph/WebCamMorph-kfr.7.mcz Then put them on a USB stick and opened the directory from within Etoys using +Repository in the Monticello browser. Was able to load both, but still no luck on getting the camera to work. Any suggestions? Stephen On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Bert, On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 2013-03-13, at 16:50, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Tried with Etoys 5.0 build 2406. But camera does not work. Saw this in trakcer, but no wifi access, although I can put files on a USB. Possibly the Camera plugin is missing? See /usr/lib/squeak/... I have the mcz packages from WebCamMorph, on the USB drive. How do I load them into Etoys on XO? Ie: I know the path, but I usually just drag and drop. Is there a simple command I can use to load or ??? Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How to access USB
The change was made by Fedora, not OLPC. Seemed rather arbitrary to me as well... wad On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Tony Anderson wrote: Hi, Just a note: Prior to 12.1.0, the path was /media/??? This is a little problematic because: cd /media/ ls on a 12.1.0 shows nothing (on an earlier system you should see ???). Also on an earlier system: cd /run/media/olpc will show No such file or directory. On 12.1.0, if you cd /run/media/olpc with no drive mounted you get 'No such file or directory' not an empty folder. (sigh). Tony On 03/13/2013 01:04 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:15:58 -0400 From: Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com To: Steve Thomassthom...@gosargon.com Cc: iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to access USB How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path? /run/media/olpc/??? good luck -walter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How to access USB
The change was made by Fedora, not OLPC. Seemed rather arbitrary to me as well... For me too. In Ubuntu 13.04 instead: /media/USB_NAME is: /media/user/USB_NAME I think that it's better than /run/media.. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] OLPC-SF March Meeting this Saturday
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com wrote: Hello, OLPC San Francisco will be hosting the our monthly meeting *this* Saturday, March 16th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market Street, Room 553. Everyone is welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing the latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and global) projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest builds to play around with, too. Please post with any additional agenda items. 1) I've been playing a bit with the XSCE school server - community edition and can provide an update. As of last week, 2) Pathagar (OPDS) server has minor changes (for handling tags). I'll share those as well. 3) We also have a new design available for the Butia robot project from the Uruguayan team. cheers, Sameer -- Aaron Borden Human and Hacker ___ Olpc-open mailing list olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-open ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
