Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: El 03/11/13 11:56, Walter Bender escribió: Does this mean one will be able to create Sugar Activities from Turtle Bocks itself? Not exactly. But you can sketch the behavior of a Sugar Activity, e.g., paint, fototoons, record, tamtam, et al. You still would need to add the activity wrapper. It is more an experiment in moving from block-bnsed programming to text-based programming. Is there such a wrapper? I want it! I don't see the point in reimplementing those, but I see value of lowering the barriers for contribution of new activities from our young users. That would be great! Long term, it would be great to be able to write all of Sugar in Turtle Blocks. I don't see the point of that either. My goal is not to replace Sugar (or Sugar activities) with Turtle Blocks, but to use Turtle Blocks to make Sugar and Sugar activities more transparent. I posit that once you have written a simple paint program in Turtle Blocks, suddenly the underlying mechanics of the Paint activity are more readily accessible. I don't see Turtle Blocks as the authoring tool for activities as much as the tool for understanding the basic mechanisms that underlay them. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
My goal is not to replace Sugar (or Sugar activities) with Turtle Blocks, but to use Turtle Blocks to make Sugar and Sugar activities more transparent. I posit that once you have written a simple paint program in Turtle Blocks, suddenly the underlying mechanics of the Paint activity are more readily accessible. I don't see Turtle Blocks as the authoring tool for activities as much as the tool for understanding the basic mechanisms that underlay them. Said in this way, have more sense :) I have heard you many times talking about write all the activities and sugar itself in TurtleArt, and I never understood if was a joke or a serious proposal (and of course, I have many motives to think this can't be a serious proposal ...) May be is only a communication issue, but is good send a clear message. Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: My goal is not to replace Sugar (or Sugar activities) with Turtle Blocks, but to use Turtle Blocks to make Sugar and Sugar activities more transparent. I posit that once you have written a simple paint program in Turtle Blocks, suddenly the underlying mechanics of the Paint activity are more readily accessible. I don't see Turtle Blocks as the authoring tool for activities as much as the tool for understanding the basic mechanisms that underlay them. Said in this way, have more sense :) I have heard you many times talking about write all the activities and sugar itself in TurtleArt, and I never understood if was a joke or a serious proposal (and of course, I have many motives to think this can't be a serious proposal ...) May be is only a communication issue, but is good send a clear message. Gonzalo Let me use a real-world example. I have seen many children use sensors in Scratch and have little if any idea what they were really doing. A few minutes with the Measure activity gave them some insight. Followed up with writing Measure in Turtle Blocks, and they had real clarity. When they returned to Scratch, they knew what they were doing. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Help 17 and Help Doers Kit
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Help 17 is at a point close to release, but in some essential ways, is, as yet, unfinished. It is largely updated in content, but there is still some very important changes that have not been crossed off the list on this page:http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh/0.98 Help 17 is already a nearly complete set of Sugar 1.00 documentation. I came to the project very recently, Gonzalo Odiard has spent more time supporting me to learn the process, than I have so far contributed. This will be an inadequate description, which is why I write. Gonzalo has modified the source of Activity Help, so that the version of Help in the link below includes a self-installing, fully user editable form of Help. Please test if you can. I tested it in sugar-build and SoaS. It works nicely. *To Get this Activity* -- Right now if you do: git clone gitori...@git.sugarlabs.org:help/mainline.git you will get the help activity _with_ the sources included. You can install it in your development environment doing: cd mainline ./setup.py dev If you have the Activity Help already installed, uninstall it first. Now you can modify any .rst file in /mainline/source directory or the images in the /mainline/images directory, and to create the html files, you only need do: make html * In Sugar You don’t need to restart the activity to see the changes, can do click with the secondary button, and select reload. * In any other Linux environment The output of make html is in /mainline/html, and is opened by opening index.html in a browser, it is easy to see the changes as you work. * Features Help already allows internationalisation of the content. *Next steps* I think this is a really good way of producing documentation in the field. But it has taken me three weeks to get to the point where I can contribute! On my hard drive, I have a variant of the above, that I would like to sell to you as Help Doers Kit. *Help Doers Kit* I replaced the regular index, with one containing Help Doers Kit, which is about 4 pages I have written, containing: all I know about How To write and contribute to Activity Help an improving version of the content of this e-mail a sandbox. I have already used it to start to create some New-to-Sugar, pages which I hope to submit in due course. The Help Doers Kit allows someone with no coding experience, * to practice on the software, * to start to write documentation from scratch, * to write self-help pages, which remain in the users copy of Help, * to edit existing Help pages, and have them patched into the next Help Activity, * to develop the Help Doers Kit itself, * to have a common low-tech platform for collaboration, * to develop the Help Activity's look, feel, and features, * to, potentially, write attractive documentation available to distribute as .html web pages, or How_to_change_the_world.xo Would there be any market for Help Doers Kit, and what should I do next? How about advertising with a link from the Sugar Labs wiki home page? -walter Iain Brown Douglas aka inkyfingers ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Help 17 and Help Doers Kit
We still need a lot of L10n activity to get it fully ready for wide use in Sugar Deployments in non-English countries. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/help_content/ On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Help 17 is at a point close to release, but in some essential ways, is, as yet, unfinished. It is largely updated in content, but there is still some very important changes that have not been crossed off the list on this page:http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh/0.98 Help 17 is already a nearly complete set of Sugar 1.00 documentation. I came to the project very recently, Gonzalo Odiard has spent more time supporting me to learn the process, than I have so far contributed. This will be an inadequate description, which is why I write. Gonzalo has modified the source of Activity Help, so that the version of Help in the link below includes a self-installing, fully user editable form of Help. Please test if you can. I tested it in sugar-build and SoaS. It works nicely. *To Get this Activity* -- Right now if you do: git clone gitori...@git.sugarlabs.org:help/mainline.git you will get the help activity _with_ the sources included. You can install it in your development environment doing: cd mainline ./setup.py dev If you have the Activity Help already installed, uninstall it first. Now you can modify any .rst file in /mainline/source directory or the images in the /mainline/images directory, and to create the html files, you only need do: make html * In Sugar You don’t need to restart the activity to see the changes, can do click with the secondary button, and select reload. * In any other Linux environment The output of make html is in /mainline/html, and is opened by opening index.html in a browser, it is easy to see the changes as you work. * Features Help already allows internationalisation of the content. *Next steps* I think this is a really good way of producing documentation in the field. But it has taken me three weeks to get to the point where I can contribute! On my hard drive, I have a variant of the above, that I would like to sell to you as Help Doers Kit. *Help Doers Kit* I replaced the regular index, with one containing Help Doers Kit, which is about 4 pages I have written, containing: all I know about How To write and contribute to Activity Help an improving version of the content of this e-mail a sandbox. I have already used it to start to create some New-to-Sugar, pages which I hope to submit in due course. The Help Doers Kit allows someone with no coding experience, * to practice on the software, * to start to write documentation from scratch, * to write self-help pages, which remain in the users copy of Help, * to edit existing Help pages, and have them patched into the next Help Activity, * to develop the Help Doers Kit itself, * to have a common low-tech platform for collaboration, * to develop the Help Activity's look, feel, and features, * to, potentially, write attractive documentation available to distribute as .html web pages, or How_to_change_the_world.xo Would there be any market for Help Doers Kit, and what should I do next? Iain Brown Douglas aka inkyfingers ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Help 17 and Help Doers Kit
+1 We need improve the final pieces to get the localization done. Kalpa and I did part of the work in the activity itself, the missing part is the pootle stuff. Gonzalo On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: We still need a lot of L10n activity to get it fully ready for wide use in Sugar Deployments in non-English countries. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/help_content/ On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Help 17 is at a point close to release, but in some essential ways, is, as yet, unfinished. It is largely updated in content, but there is still some very important changes that have not been crossed off the list on this page:http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh/0.98 Help 17 is already a nearly complete set of Sugar 1.00 documentation. I came to the project very recently, Gonzalo Odiard has spent more time supporting me to learn the process, than I have so far contributed. This will be an inadequate description, which is why I write. Gonzalo has modified the source of Activity Help, so that the version of Help in the link below includes a self-installing, fully user editable form of Help. Please test if you can. I tested it in sugar-build and SoaS. It works nicely. *To Get this Activity* -- Right now if you do: git clone gitori...@git.sugarlabs.org:help/mainline.git you will get the help activity _with_ the sources included. You can install it in your development environment doing: cd mainline ./setup.py dev If you have the Activity Help already installed, uninstall it first. Now you can modify any .rst file in /mainline/source directory or the images in the /mainline/images directory, and to create the html files, you only need do: make html * In Sugar You don’t need to restart the activity to see the changes, can do click with the secondary button, and select reload. * In any other Linux environment The output of make html is in /mainline/html, and is opened by opening index.html in a browser, it is easy to see the changes as you work. * Features Help already allows internationalisation of the content. *Next steps* I think this is a really good way of producing documentation in the field. But it has taken me three weeks to get to the point where I can contribute! On my hard drive, I have a variant of the above, that I would like to sell to you as Help Doers Kit. *Help Doers Kit* I replaced the regular index, with one containing Help Doers Kit, which is about 4 pages I have written, containing: all I know about How To write and contribute to Activity Help an improving version of the content of this e-mail a sandbox. I have already used it to start to create some New-to-Sugar, pages which I hope to submit in due course. The Help Doers Kit allows someone with no coding experience, * to practice on the software, * to start to write documentation from scratch, * to write self-help pages, which remain in the users copy of Help, * to edit existing Help pages, and have them patched into the next Help Activity, * to develop the Help Doers Kit itself, * to have a common low-tech platform for collaboration, * to develop the Help Activity's look, feel, and features, * to, potentially, write attractive documentation available to distribute as .html web pages, or How_to_change_the_world.xo Would there be any market for Help Doers Kit, and what should I do next? Iain Brown Douglas aka inkyfingers ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new for both users and developers, see the release notes http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes Sources: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and testing! These are now in updates-testing in Fedora 20. They're not yet in the Fedora 20 stable channel because they're locked down for Beta but will land in stable shortly after Beta. It would be good to get some wider testing and feedback. The big issue at the moment is Write failing to run and I would love some assistance in debugging and fixing that soon so we can ship it in SoaS 10. The latest Beta RC2 images can be found here: x86 (32 and 64 bit) http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Live/ ARM http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Images/armhfp/ Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
I don't have much of a clue about Write but... can you send the activity log? On 4 November 2013 16:14, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new for both users and developers, see the release notes http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes Sources: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and testing! These are now in updates-testing in Fedora 20. They're not yet in the Fedora 20 stable channel because they're locked down for Beta but will land in stable shortly after Beta. It would be good to get some wider testing and feedback. The big issue at the moment is Write failing to run and I would love some assistance in debugging and fixing that soon so we can ship it in SoaS 10. The latest Beta RC2 images can be found here: x86 (32 and 64 bit) http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Live/ ARM http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Images/armhfp/ Peter -- Daniel Narvaez ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have much of a clue about Write but... can you send the activity
log?
It unfortunately only contains a single line:
Terminated by signal 11, pid 14089 data (None, open file 'fdopen',
mode 'w' at 0x2e13540,
dbus.ByteArray('ef47d2e4dc6551ba96f6ceded9023243ea4ee519
', variant_level=1))
On 4 November 2013 16:14, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new for
both
users and developers, see the release notes
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes
Sources:
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz
Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and testing!
These are now in updates-testing in Fedora 20. They're not yet in the
Fedora 20 stable channel because they're locked down for Beta but will
land in stable shortly after Beta. It would be good to get some wider
testing and feedback. The big issue at the moment is Write failing to
run and I would love some assistance in debugging and fixing that soon
so we can ship it in SoaS 10.
The latest Beta RC2 images can be found here:
x86 (32 and 64 bit)
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Live/
ARM http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Images/armhfp/
Peter
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
That's a segmentation fault I think. It would be good if you could launch
it with sugar-launch -d and post the backtrace., possibly after having
installed debug packages.
On 4 November 2013 21:25, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't have much of a clue about Write but... can you send the activity
log?
It unfortunately only contains a single line:
Terminated by signal 11, pid 14089 data (None, open file 'fdopen',
mode 'w' at 0x2e13540,
dbus.ByteArray('ef47d2e4dc6551ba96f6ceded9023243ea4ee519
', variant_level=1))
On 4 November 2013 16:14, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new
for
both
users and developers, see the release notes
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes
Sources:
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz
Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and
testing!
These are now in updates-testing in Fedora 20. They're not yet in the
Fedora 20 stable channel because they're locked down for Beta but will
land in stable shortly after Beta. It would be good to get some wider
testing and feedback. The big issue at the moment is Write failing to
run and I would love some assistance in debugging and fixing that soon
so we can ship it in SoaS 10.
The latest Beta RC2 images can be found here:
x86 (32 and 64 bit)
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Live/
ARM
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Images/armhfp/
Peter
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
That's a segmentation fault I think. It would be good if you could launch it
with sugar-launch -d and post the backtrace., possibly after having
installed debug packages.
2Gb of debuginfo later I have the following:
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/51575/38360107/
Thanks,
Peter
On 4 November 2013 21:25, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't have much of a clue about Write but... can you send the activity
log?
It unfortunately only contains a single line:
Terminated by signal 11, pid 14089 data (None, open file 'fdopen',
mode 'w' at 0x2e13540,
dbus.ByteArray('ef47d2e4dc6551ba96f6ceded9023243ea4ee519
', variant_level=1))
On 4 November 2013 16:14, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new
for
both
users and developers, see the release notes
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes
Sources:
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz
Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and
testing!
These are now in updates-testing in Fedora 20. They're not yet in the
Fedora 20 stable channel because they're locked down for Beta but will
land in stable shortly after Beta. It would be good to get some wider
testing and feedback. The big issue at the moment is Write failing to
run and I would love some assistance in debugging and fixing that soon
so we can ship it in SoaS 10.
The latest Beta RC2 images can be found here:
x86 (32 and 64 bit)
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Live/
ARM
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Images/armhfp/
Peter
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Daniel Narvaez
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Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
Gonzalo - I'm sorry, I was unable to attend the SLOBs meeting today. There are issues with doing PR about the release * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity work, but don't understand the path of transposing the value proposition of Sugar (interface, Journal, collaboration, Activities) to handheld tactile devices (tablets to smartphones). PCs (of any size) with keyboards are no longer competitive with tablets for grade-school classroom use. Perhaps the XO-4 could still be in the running; there is no clear message from OLPC. * Our target market, the ten million or so grade-school teachers worldwide, can't benefit from the release; there are no installers. There are detailed instructions for using virtualization on the wiki thanks to satellit, and the consistently good work of probinson on SoaS, but the release itself won't be news if no one can use it. For these reasons (as mentioned on the marketing list) an Activity/pedagogical focus is a safe bet. Unfortunately our Turtle Art Day PR flopped because publication of the Spanish PR was delayed by two days (technical bottleneck which I very much hope we will be able to solve). The PR will however fulfill its role of background for interested journalists ( www.sugarlabs.org/press). I haven't expected any wider press coverage for some time now, since we don't have any easy-to-try products available and OLPC's press communications are meant to imply that laptops are out and the Android tablet is in, leaving Sugar in limbo. An easy installation use procedure for Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi could have major press impact, but I don't know how near or far we are from those. The upcoming TA Days and internationalization work grant will give us ample opportunity to mention the release, but we need to know where we are going if we hope to get a message out on that topic. Sean On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: One topic to add could be do a PR about our recent sugar 0.100 release. Gonzalo On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have a SLOB meeting scheduled for Monday, 4 November at 9AM EST (2PM GMT). Please join us on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (chat.sugarlabs.org) Tenemos una reunión SLOB programada para el lunes, 4 de noviembre a 09 a.m. EST (14:00 GMT). Por favor, únase a nosotros en irc.freenode.net #-sugar-meeting (chat.sugarlabs.org) Topics: (1) election (2) ambassadors (3) tech/learning meetups (4) status of Trip Advisor grant (5) Google Code In (6) your topic here... -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo - I'm sorry, I was unable to attend the SLOBs meeting today. There are issues with doing PR about the release * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity work, but don't understand the path of transposing the value proposition of Sugar (interface, Journal, collaboration, Activities) to handheld tactile devices (tablets to smartphones). PCs (of any size) with keyboards are no longer competitive with tablets for grade-school classroom use. Perhaps the XO-4 could still be in the running; there is no clear message from OLPC. * Our target market, the ten million or so grade-school teachers worldwide, can't benefit from the release; there are no installers. There are detailed instructions for using virtualization on the wiki thanks to satellit, and the consistently good work of probinson on SoaS, but the release itself won't be news if no one can use it. But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS! For these reasons (as mentioned on the marketing list) an Activity/pedagogical focus is a safe bet. Unfortunately our Turtle Art Day PR flopped because publication of the Spanish PR was delayed by two days (technical bottleneck which I very much hope we will be able to solve). The PR will however fulfill its role of background for interested journalists (www.sugarlabs.org/press). I haven't expected any wider press coverage for some time now, since we don't have any easy-to-try products available and OLPC's press communications are meant to imply that laptops are out and the Android tablet is in, leaving Sugar in limbo. An easy installation use procedure for Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi could have major press impact, but I don't know how near or far we are from those. Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be essentially unusable and have a terrible experience. There are a number of other ARM devices that sugar runs beautifully on though. Ultimately marketing needs to actually actively engage with the rest of the people doing the work to find out what's being done and market on something to ensure Sugar is regularly in the news to keep it in people's mind as opposed to waiting and hoping for a single enormous event. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then
I'll open a bug + patch.
On 4 November 2013 22:40, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
That's a segmentation fault I think. It would be good if you could
launch it
with sugar-launch -d and post the backtrace., possibly after having
installed debug packages.
2Gb of debuginfo later I have the following:
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/51575/38360107/
Thanks,
Peter
On 4 November 2013 21:25, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't have much of a clue about Write but... can you send the
activity
log?
It unfortunately only contains a single line:
Terminated by signal 11, pid 14089 data (None, open file 'fdopen',
mode 'w' at 0x2e13540,
dbus.ByteArray('ef47d2e4dc6551ba96f6ceded9023243ea4ee519
', variant_level=1))
On 4 November 2013 16:14, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new
for
both
users and developers, see the release notes
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes
Sources:
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz
Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and
testing!
These are now in updates-testing in Fedora 20. They're not yet in the
Fedora 20 stable channel because they're locked down for Beta but
will
land in stable shortly after Beta. It would be good to get some wider
testing and feedback. The big issue at the moment is Write failing to
run and I would love some assistance in debugging and fixing that
soon
so we can ship it in SoaS 10.
The latest Beta RC2 images can be found here:
x86 (32 and 64 bit)
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Live/
ARM
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Images/armhfp/
Peter
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll
open a bug + patch.
Thanks! Let me know when you've got a patch and I'll test it.
Peter
On 4 November 2013 22:40, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
That's a segmentation fault I think. It would be good if you could
launch it
with sugar-launch -d and post the backtrace., possibly after having
installed debug packages.
2Gb of debuginfo later I have the following:
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/51575/38360107/
Thanks,
Peter
On 4 November 2013 21:25, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't have much of a clue about Write but... can you send the
activity
log?
It unfortunately only contains a single line:
Terminated by signal 11, pid 14089 data (None, open file 'fdopen',
mode 'w' at 0x2e13540,
dbus.ByteArray('ef47d2e4dc6551ba96f6ceded9023243ea4ee519
', variant_level=1))
On 4 November 2013 16:14, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez
dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is
new
for
both
users and developers, see the release notes
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes
Sources:
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz
Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and
testing!
These are now in updates-testing in Fedora 20. They're not yet in
the
Fedora 20 stable channel because they're locked down for Beta but
will
land in stable shortly after Beta. It would be good to get some
wider
testing and feedback. The big issue at the moment is Write failing
to
run and I would love some assistance in debugging and fixing that
soon
so we can ship it in SoaS 10.
The latest Beta RC2 images can be found here:
x86 (32 and 64 bit)
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Live/
ARM
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC2/Images/armhfp/
Peter
--
Daniel Narvaez
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Daniel Narvaez
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll open a bug + patch. Thanks! Let me know when you've got a patch and I'll test it. Here it is http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
:) On 5 November 2013 00:23, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: I poked my abiword friends, expect the commit shortly. cjl On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll open a bug + patch. Thanks! Let me know when you've got a patch and I'll test it. Here it is http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
On 5 November 2013 00:13, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll open a bug + patch. Thanks! Let me know when you've got a patch and I'll test it. Here it is http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 I suspect this was worked around in OLPC rpms btw http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13420#c4 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
I poked my abiword friends, expect the commit shortly. cjl On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll open a bug + patch. Thanks! Let me know when you've got a patch and I'll test it. Here it is http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: * It's not clear to me where we are going. I'm afraid you are not the only one feeling that way. It's much easier said than done, but we need to figure out where we are going and to communicate it clearly inside the community. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be essentially unusable and have a terrible experience. Can you elaborate on why you think it would be a terrible experience on the Raspberry Pi? I never tested it there, I was just hoping it could be a nice target... There are a number of other ARM devices that sugar runs beautifully on though. It would also be interesting to know more about these devices. With OLPC going the Android way, I wish there was at least one popular enough device on which we could provide a really good experience (with our scarce resources). ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
On 11/4/2013 4:17 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be essentially unusable and have a terrible experience. Can you elaborate on why you think it would be a terrible experience on the Raspberry Pi? I never tested it there, I was just hoping it could be a nice target... Look at these older tests of sugar on the RPi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi This part of the Advanced topics wiki page on the sugarlabs wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#ARM Tom Gilliard satellit on #sugar ; #fedora-arm ; #fedora-qa ; and #schoolserver on freenode irc There are a number of other ARM devices that sugar runs beautifully on though. It would also be interesting to know more about these devices. With OLPC going the Android way, I wish there was at least one popular enough device on which we could provide a really good experience (with our scarce resources). ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity work, but don't understand the path of transposing the value proposition of Sugar (interface, Journal, collaboration, Activities) to handheld tactile devices (tablets to smartphones). PCs (of any size) with keyboards are no longer competitive with tablets for grade-school classroom use. Perhaps the XO-4 could still be in the running; there is no clear message from OLPC. I'll try to express briefly my feelings about the directions the project could take. Note that I might be missing a lot of what is going on above the technical level. * The XO is not a viable hardware platform other than for existing deployments. OLPC is pretty clearly going in a different direction. * Sugar web activities on the top of a full Android loses too much of the Sugar value proposition. It's great to have it in addition to Sugar-the-OS, but it's not enough alone. * From the technical point of view there are several ways to get Sugar-the-OS running on tactile devices. Unfortunately it's not clear to me that any of these devices is open enough to be viable for deployments or ordinary users. -- Daniel Narvaez ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity work, but don't understand the path of transposing the value proposition of Sugar (interface, Journal, collaboration, Activities) to handheld tactile devices (tablets to smartphones). PCs (of any size) with keyboards are no longer competitive with tablets for grade-school classroom use. Perhaps the XO-4 could still be in the running; there is no clear message from OLPC. I'll try to express briefly my feelings about the directions the project could take. Note that I might be missing a lot of what is going on above the technical level. * The XO is not a viable hardware platform other than for existing deployments. OLPC is pretty clearly going in a different direction. I may be alone in thinking that there will be some runway left with the XO. But deployments need alternatives regardless. * Sugar web activities on the top of a full Android loses too much of the Sugar value proposition. It's great to have it in addition to Sugar-the-OS, but it's not enough alone. I agree. * From the technical point of view there are several ways to get Sugar-the-OS running on tactile devices. Unfortunately it's not clear to me that any of these devices is open enough to be viable for deployments or ordinary users. We looked at ChromeOS a few years back, but at the time it was too heavy for our hardware. Today, it is a different story. Might be a viable option. Certainly running GNU/Linux/Sugar on a ChromeBook is not a bad starting point. -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 04:40:51PM -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 11/4/2013 4:17 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be essentially unusable and have a terrible experience. Can you elaborate on why you think it would be a terrible experience on the Raspberry Pi? I never tested it there, I was just hoping it could be a nice target... Look at these older tests of sugar on the RPi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi This part of the Advanced topics wiki page on the sugarlabs wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#ARM Tom Gilliard I could not find any evidence of user experience testing, or performance evaluation, in the two links you gave. Did you give the right ones? I agree with Peter, I don't think it will perform well, but I don't know in what way it won't perform well, so I can't guess where effort would have to be spent to fix it. (especially in comparison to an XO-1) -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
Hmm, I think we used Abi.init_noargs() in some way. Sorry, was long time ago, I can't remember ... Thanks Daniel Gonzalo On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:13, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll open a bug + patch. Thanks! Let me know when you've got a patch and I'll test it. Here it is http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 I suspect this was worked around in OLPC rpms btw http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13420#c4 ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
Hi… Last year at SCaLE George Hunt helped me get Sugar running on my RPi. Because our booth was so busy, it took parts of both Saturday and Sunday to get it going. I then tried it when I got home and found that it was prone to stalls. Of course, this was back in late February and there may have been improvements since then. If so, please let me know where to find the download and instructions for installing. I would like to suggest we keep the idea of Sugar on the RPi in mind, but perhaps in a smaller, reduced size with only a few carefully selected Activities. Perhaps it could be called A Taste Of Sugar. Remember, the whole idea behind the RPi is to get young people involved in really learning about computers and computing and to do creative things with them. With this in mind, some of the Activities that could be part of a small version of Sugar might include Turtle Blocks for robotics, a small version of Tam Tam for experimenting with creating musical sounds and actually composing with loops (I realize even a tiny version of Tam Tam would be a huge undertaking, but very worthwhile), Pippy for learning Python, etc. As we discuss where our group(s) should focus in the future, let's try not to get to bogged down in discussions of hardware platforms and software solutions. First and foremost we might want to consider the educational experience we want to make available to students. Hopefully, it will be something that fosters creativity, collaboration, and problem solving while making projects of all kinds imaginable. Caryl Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:46:31 +1100 From: qu...@laptop.org To: satelli...@gmail.com CC: dwnarv...@gmail.com; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpc-...@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 04:40:51PM -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 11/4/2013 4:17 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be essentially unusable and have a terrible experience. Can you elaborate on why you think it would be a terrible experience on the Raspberry Pi? I never tested it there, I was just hoping it could be a nice target... Look at these older tests of sugar on the RPi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi This part of the Advanced topics wiki page on the sugarlabs wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#ARM Tom Gilliard I could not find any evidence of user experience testing, or performance evaluation, in the two links you gave. Did you give the right ones? I agree with Peter, I don't think it will perform well, but I don't know in what way it won't perform well, so I can't guess where effort would have to be spent to fix it. (especially in comparison to an XO-1) -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
