Re: [IAEP] Planning for the future

2015-02-24 Thread Tony Anderson

This is certainly a vital topic for many of us.

I have been hands-on with a number of deployments. In the case of 
Rwanda, a lot of money has been invested in an effort to provide a 
laptop to every elementary school child in the country. I feel that 
project needs any support we can give it to ensure that that investment 
has a positive return. In other deployments, individuals or small groups 
have donated funds to acquire a set of laptops for a specific school. I 
feel that investment needs to be protected. In Nepal, OLE Nepal has done 
remarkable things focused on making the OLPC laptops as valuable as 
possible to the schools where they are deployed. That effort also needs 
to get a maximum return.


In the computer field, it is obvious that a specific computer model has 
a limited lifetime. Most models remain on the market for less than three 
years (a shrinking time-scale as manufacturers want you to buy the next 
big thing). in actual use, computers probably have a life more like 5-7 
years. In educational use, they are used until they stop working since 
the school has no way to get more.


With SOAS, SugarLabs recognized this and sought a way to make Sugar 
viable on other hardware. Again, in the computer field, software has a 
much longer lifetime than hardware. (Our firmware is written in Forth). 
Will there be anything recognizable as Sugar running on computer 
hardware in 2020?


A critical part of the OLPC experience has been the insistence on open 
source and open educational resources. The intent is not only to enable 
a volunteer community to contribute but also so that the recipients of 
the laptops are not confronted with a bill for use of the software and 
educational content.
What happens to this if the only viable software is WIndows, IOS, and 
Android?


One thing that is certain is that by 2020 school children will have 
computing devices. What will those devices due to help them to a better 
education? Most probably, they will help them get better scores on 
high-stake exams. This has been the uniform criteria used to measure the 
success of OLPC deployments.


Personally, my hope is that this community will produce a viable 
educational alternative for community schools (with limited access to 
the internet) to the purchase of software and educational content from 
the educational industry. An alternative in the sense that Linux 
distributions offer a viable alternative to Windows, IOS, and Android.


There are some very favorable developments. One is the increasing focus 
in the XSCE community on content and educational resources. The 
contributions of Khan Academy (especially Lite), IIAB, Rachel, and OLE 
Nepal are invaluable. The continued contributions of educators such as 
Sora Edwards-Thro are also invaluable (I should name countless others, 
but if I try I will do an injustice).


It is possible that new hardware such as the XO Infinity will breathe a 
few more years of life into the project (particularly if it supports 
Fedora/Sugar builds).


Anyway, one can try to keep the vision.

Yours,

Tony

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Disclaimer: The following are my views, and not the views of my current or
past employers.

About a year ago, I privately expressed concern that Sugar needed to ensure
it had long-term sponsorship and a long-term user base.

Since then, both the historical US-based OLPC organization and Sugar Labs
have not publicly said much about their long-term plans, with OLPC also
being rather closemouthed about the present.

Meanwhile contributors silently leave.  It is hard to justify volunteering
when you don't know who will benefit besides mysterious customers.

Everyone seems happy to cite their past successes.  No one corrects the
press when they report stale information in their favor.


There is no shame in being a smaller project.  But we need to ask the hard
questions.  With Sugar, getting users and developers for a niche platform
is a problem.  With OLPC, everyone seems to love repeating the 2 or 2.5
million number for laptops historically shipped.  Rarely is it asked how
many XOs been shipped in the past year or are in active use  where.

Sugar  OLPC need to come up with long-term strategies.  While there is
nothing public I have seen stopping One Education's XO Infinity from
running Sugar, I haven't seen anything stopping it from running anything
else.  It is also unclear how much One Education is willing to engage with
the historical Sugar  OLPC communities (or how much they can tell us at
this time).


Historically there have been many philosophical questions like Does there
need to be a physical machine? and Have 

Re: [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-24 Thread Lionel Laské
 recognized). The app helps teachers write books
  
 https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/lascahobas-workshops-final-review/
 
  for beginning readers by recommending easy words; now we're
 shifting our
  focus to supporting student writers.
 
  There are already several excellent writing activities for the
  Sugar, which we're including as we design lessons for a summer
 writing
  workshop for our XO projects in Haiti:
 
  -Labyrinth
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078, a
  mindmapping activity that gets kids thinking
  
 http://www.unleashkids.org/2013/07/31/story-activity-continued-and-the-results/
 
  about how to lay out their ideas on paper
  -Fototoon 
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4253,
  comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite
  
 https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/first-week-of-classes/
  -Newspaper http://seeta.in/j/products/37.html, an example of
  how templates can enable kids
  http://blog.unleashkids.org/2013/08/01/journal-mission-of-hope/
 
  to explore new formats
  -Prompt
  http://olpc-yokwe.tumblr.com/post/39897602954/prompt-activity,
  literally just presents students with a random image from a
 library for
  them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful
 
  We want to supplement these great activities with some new stuff,
  based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on
 creating
  templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for
 example, we
  can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the
 speech
  bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them to fill in the speech
 bubbles.
  That's one of many ideas for an effective tool.
 
  We also hope to make use of the XSCE schoolserver installed
  on-site to enable the kids to collaborate and share the finished
 products
  with one another.
 
  Our most dire need is help with the programming, but we also
  welcome input on any and all aspects.
 
  Thank you everyone!
 
  Sora Edwards-Thro
 
  On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting Saturday,
  February 14th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835
  Market
  Street, Room 597 (the fishbowl).
 
  Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month.
  Everyone is
  welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing
  the
  latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and global)
  projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest
  builds to
  play around with, too. Please post with any additional agenda
  items.
 
  Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/325843320953044/
  Google+
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  --
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  Human and Hacker
 
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-24 Thread Walter Bender
 their ideas on paper
  -Fototoon
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4253,
  comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite
 
  https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/first-week-of-classes/
  -Newspaper http://seeta.in/j/products/37.html, an example of
  how templates can enable kids
 
  http://blog.unleashkids.org/2013/08/01/journal-mission-of-hope/
  to explore new formats
  -Prompt
  http://olpc-yokwe.tumblr.com/post/39897602954/prompt-activity,
  literally just presents students with a random image from a
  library for
  them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful
 
  We want to supplement these great activities with some new
  stuff,
  based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on
  creating
  templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for
  example, we
  can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the
  speech
  bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them to fill in the speech
  bubbles.
  That's one of many ideas for an effective tool.
 
  We also hope to make use of the XSCE schoolserver installed
  on-site to enable the kids to collaborate and share the finished
  products
  with one another.
 
  Our most dire need is help with the programming, but we also
  welcome input on any and all aspects.
 
  Thank you everyone!
 
  Sora Edwards-Thro
 
  On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Aaron Borden
  adbor...@live.com
  wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting
  Saturday,
  February 14th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835
  Market
  Street, Room 597 (the fishbowl).
 
  Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month.
  Everyone is
  welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing
  the
  latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and
  global)
  projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest
  builds to
  play around with, too. Please post with any additional agenda
  items.
 
  Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/325843320953044/
  Google+
  https://plus.google.com/events/crf7g4e84aag78ssn761danaj8s
 
  --
  Aaron Borden
  Human and Hacker
 
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  http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
 
 
 
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