Re: [IAEP] Membership deadline.

[Ignacio Rodríguez]

Hey Dan, don't worry about there are not 7 in the list.

I'm postulating myself, but I had no time to write my postulation.

Greetings

Ignacio Rodríguez
SugarLabs at Facebook


2015-11-30 16:34 GMT-03:00 Dan Tenason :

>
> It looks like another deadline for the the membership drive has come and
> gone with four new members added to the spreadsheet at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List .
>
> As a gauge of interest it would be helpful for membership committee to
> publish the aggregate statistics for how many people responded that they be
> interesting in participating in the election scheduled for December.
>
> Secondly there are six candidates for seven open positions on the
> oversight board. In a quick search, I could not find any participation by
> at least one of the candidates on any of the SugarLabs communication
> channels since 2013. This opens a few options: Postpone the filing deadline
> and subsequent election. Appoint the the current candidate list leaving one
> slot open. Reduce the size of the board to fire members and hold the
> election as scheduled.
>
> Or, one might seek to understand why interest in Sugar and Sugarlabs
> continues to decline.
>
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> Dan Tenason
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Re: [IAEP] Membership deadline.

[James Cameron]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:34:11PM +0300, Dan Tenason wrote:
> [...]  Secondly there are six candidates for seven open positions on
> the oversight board.  [...]

I can't find good evidence of that.  I perceive three candidates.

Wiki page said "copied over from last year".  Can also be edited by
anybody, not just the board.

Looking at the edit history, the three candidates are;

- Adam Holt (self edit, 4th November),

- Walter Bender (self edit, 11th November), and;

- Sam Parkinson (self edit, 1st December).

But not Gonzalo Odiard (edited out by himself on 14th November, but
reverted by Sam on 29th November).

So I've moved the "copied over" tag accordingly.

> In a quick search, I could not find any participation by at least
> one of the candidates on any of the SugarLabs communication channels
> since 2013. This opens a few options: Postpone the filing deadline
> and subsequent election.  Appoint the the current candidate list
> leaving one slot open. Reduce the size of the board to fire members
> and hold the election as scheduled.

I agree; if the candidates are less than the seats, then there is no
election.  Good news; as elections are expensive.

> Or, one might seek to understand why interest in Sugar and Sugarlabs
> continues to decline.

No, the governance of an organisation should not be distracted by
such matters.

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Caryl Bigenho 
wrote:

> The "special offers" appear only on the startup screen, no where else. Not
> a big deal,
>

Yes I agree for older students who've had media training, understanding
(better) who is branding/manipulating them and why.  But is commercial
advertising appropriate in schools on startup screens exposed to very
youngest kids seeking 21st century literacy ?

Does the Amazon Fire, a very worthy device in its domain of freemium
(advertising-centric) entertainment, abide by
http://studentdataprinciples.org, developed by some of the most thoughtful
educators?  How can we and our educational communities audit and trust
these principles, via open source code or legally-binding procedures with
teeth?  This may be the 21st century, but has anything really changed from
50 years ago --- do we really want to delegate babysitting of our youngest
citizens to de-facto TV commercial interests beyond our control?  When do
we move beyond blind trust to "Benign By Design" ?

Entirely separately, Amazon made a couple serious "mistakes" in the past 24
hours, loudly beating the drum hyping up its largest sales volume in
history: (today, apparently, if all goes well for them)

   - $34.99 Cyber Monday Amazon Tablet Fire offer was yanked (no doubt due
   to Christmas shortages, but there are laws about honoring promises
   pricing/dates/quantities).  An apology goes a long way.  Thanks to the
   several media outlets who communicated the apology.
   - Erroneously portraying a $15 "Special Offer" tablet savings in the
   attached screenshot, as if this is a Limited-Time-Offer $49.99 off of the
   regular $64.99 price, for delivery around Christmas Day:
   http://imgur.com/TwTUh0M.png

While Limited-Time-Offers are illegal when they boil down to False
Advertising, let's give Amazon the benefit of the doubt in both cases,
assuming they are not jerking our chains with Bait-and-Switch.  In the
longer-term it will be democracy's interest in speaking with our Attorneys
General (in each of the 50 US states, and other jurisdictions worldwide) to
so this planet does not forget ICT4Entertainment and ICT4Education MAY
often (increasingly?) overlap, but they have entirely different underlying
assumptions as to where society is going and why.  Be That Change !!

Thanks Sora for clarifying to me what Amazon really means by "Special
Offers" -- they don't mean a Christmastime sale as I understood in the
above screenshot -- they mean advertising-in-kids-faces whenever you pick
up the tablet:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200671290

Fine, Freemium has its place in the entertianment world.  But we should not
be blissfully unaware of how advertising targets our children:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/how-advertising-targets-our-children/
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/marketing-advertising-children-issues-at-stake

Let us hope that Amazon develops less "accidentally deceitful" offerings
for schools in future, perhaps modeled on:
http://ptac.ed.gov/document/protecting-student-privacy-while-using-online-educational-services-model-terms-service
https://www.unglobalcompact.org/take-action/action/child-rights
http://childrenandbusiness.org

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>
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro 
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>
>> FWIW "$64.99 Amazon Prime without special offers" is Amazon's very own
>> language, an 86% rise over the price-for-everyone on many recent days.
>>
> As far as I understand, that's *always *been the situation. When I bought
> tablets back in September, I had the option of paying $15 more per tablet
> to avoid ads, but I didn't consider that an essential feature so I didn't
> pay extra for it. Is there any reason it would be essential, especially in
> an offline situation where there's no potential to actually click-'n-'buy
> anything?
>
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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All,
Well,  in spite of the ads, I am enjoying my tablet (for which I paid $49.99). 
I ignore the ads. Like Sora, I felt I could put up with them for $15. I am 
enjoying reading a book (not quite as good as Ed's Kindle Paperwhite but still 
excellent). And, on flights to and from Texas I watched a few movies.
I tried a few of the free apps from the "Underground." Not bad. Asked Lionel 
why Sugarizer isn't there… he said it is because only apps that are not free on 
the regular app page can be offered for free in the Underground. I can see the 
logic… how can you advertise something as a special free "deal" if it is always 
free? But still…. too bad he can't charge $.01 on the regular site to get it in 
the Underground!
I haven't hacked in and rooted it yet. I wanted to see what I could do without 
doing that. I wanted to get an app from Google Play that son Chris and family 
(in TX) are having a lot of fun with: LightBot. There is a free Hour of Code 
version, but I wanted the whole thing. They bought me a Google play gift card 
as a surprise so I could get it. I had a day to play with the tablet while they 
were all at school and I learned a lot of things. I was able to make several 
changes so I can now download non-official apps (including Google Play), and I 
can use the micro usb port for a usb cable to transfer files from my computer. 
There was a "script" to do all this but so many people were trying to get it 
that I kept getting a "connection overload" error message (This was last week… 
before the $35 price). I found another YouTube video that led me through the 
steps for getting GooglePlay without the script. Here's a link (and I notice 
there are several more YouTube videos about the tablet… I'll watch them when I 
get time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAIBOXzeEk4
Caryl
P.S. So far we still need candidates for the SugarLabs election (we may have to 
delay it until we have enough real candidates). The list you see on the page is 
from over a year ago and some of the folks on it may no longer be interested. 
It is easy to add your name! Just go to this page and put it 
in!http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2015-2016-candidates

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 11:45:24 -0500
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Subject: Re: [support-gang] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises   
86% !

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
The "special offers" appear only on the startup screen, no where else. Not a 
big deal,

Yes I agree for older students who've had media training, understanding 
(better) who is branding/manipulating them and why.  But is commercial 
advertising appropriate in schools on startup screens exposed to very youngest 
kids seeking 21st century literacy ?

Does the Amazon Fire, a very worthy device in its domain of freemium 
(advertising-centric) entertainment, abide by http://studentdataprinciples.org, 
developed by some of the most thoughtful educators?  How can we and our 
educational communities audit and trust these principles, via open source code 
or legally-binding procedures with teeth?  This may be the 21st century, but 
has anything really changed from 50 years ago --- do we really want to delegate 
babysitting of our youngest citizens to de-facto TV commercial interests beyond 
our control?  When do we move beyond blind trust to "Benign By Design" ?

Entirely separately, Amazon made a couple serious "mistakes" in the past 24 
hours, loudly beating the drum hyping up its largest sales volume in history:  
(today, apparently, if all goes well for them)
$34.99 Cyber Monday Amazon Tablet Fire offer was 
yanked (no doubt due to Christmas shortages, but there are laws 
about honoring promises pricing/dates/quantities).  An apology goes a long way. 
 Thanks to the several media outlets who communicated the apology.
Erroneously portraying a $15 "Special Offer" tablet savings in the attached 
screenshot, as if this is a Limited-Time-Offer $49.99 off of the regular $64.99 
price, for delivery around Christmas Day: http://imgur.com/TwTUh0M.pngWhile 
Limited-Time-Offers are illegal when they boil down to False Advertising, let's 
give Amazon the benefit of the doubt in both cases, assuming they are not 
jerking our chains with Bait-and-Switch.  In the longer-term it will be 
democracy's interest in speaking with our Attorneys General (in each of the 50 
US states, and other jurisdictions worldwide) to so this planet does not forget 
ICT4Entertainment and ICT4Education MAY often (increasingly?) overlap, but they 
have entirely different underlying assumptions as to where society is going and 
why.  Be That Change !!

Thanks Sora for clarifying to me what Amazon really means by "Special Offers" 
-- they don't mean a Christmastime sale as I understood in the above screenshot 
-- they mean advertising-in-kids-faces whenever 

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Caryl Bigenho]

The "special offers" appear only on the startup screen, no where else. Not a 
big deal,
Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>> FWIW "$64.99 Amazon Prime without special offers" is Amazon's very own 
>> language, an 86% rise over the price-for-everyone on many recent days.
>> 
> As far as I understand, that's always been the situation. When I bought 
> tablets back in September, I had the option of paying $15 more per tablet to 
> avoid ads, but I didn't consider that an essential feature so I didn't pay 
> extra for it. Is there any reason it would be essential, especially in an 
> offline situation where there's no potential to actually click-'n-'buy 
> anything?
> 
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[IAEP] Membership deadline.

[Dan Tenason]

It looks like another deadline for the the membership drive has come and gone 
with four new members added to the spreadsheet at  
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List  .

As a gauge of interest it would be helpful for membership committee to publish 
the aggregate statistics for how many people responded that they be interesting 
in participating in the election scheduled for December.

Secondly there are six candidates for seven open positions on the oversight 
board. In a quick search, I could not find any participation by at least one of 
the candidates on any of the SugarLabs communication channels since 2013. This 
opens a few options: Postpone the filing deadline and subsequent election. 
Appoint the the current candidate list leaving one slot open. Reduce the size 
of the board to fire members and hold the election as scheduled.

Or, one might seek to understand why interest in Sugar and Sugarlabs continues 
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Re: [IAEP] Membership deadline.

[Sebastian Silva]

*Resumen de campo para a1*
*¿Desea seguir siendo un miembro activo de Sugar Labs?*
*Opción**Cuenta**Porcentaje*
Sí (Y)  76  82.61%  
No (N)  6   6.52%  
Sin respuesta   0   0.00%  
No completada o No mostrada 10  10.87%  


We have 76 confirmed voting members so far. I've extended the survey
deadline while we await for more candidates for the oversight board.

Might I take the opportunity to ask the membership to step up to the
challenge of steering Sugar Labs to fulfill its mission /"to produce,
distribute, and support the use of the Sugar learning platform; [to be]
a support base and gathering place for the community of educators and
developers to create, extend, teach, and learn with the Sugar learning
platform."//

/Regards,
Sebastian


On 30/11/15 14:34, Dan Tenason wrote:
> As a gauge of interest it would be helpful for membership committee to
> publish the aggregate statistics for how many people responded that
> they be interesting in participating in the election scheduled for
> December.

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Re: [IAEP] Membership deadline.

[Sam P.]

Hi James,

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:17 AM, James Cameron  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:34:11PM +0300, Dan Tenason wrote:
> > [...]  Secondly there are six candidates for seven open positions on
> > the oversight board.  [...]
>
> I can't find good evidence of that.  I perceive three candidates.
>
> Wiki page said "copied over from last year".  Can also be edited by
> anybody, not just the board.
>
> Looking at the edit history, the three candidates are;
>
> - Adam Holt (self edit, 4th November),
>
> - Walter Bender (self edit, 11th November), and;
>
> - Sam Parkinson (self edit, 1st December).
>
> But not Gonzalo Odiard (edited out by himself on 14th November, but
> reverted by Sam on 29th November).
>

I believe that was a mistake that I reverted Gonzalo's commit.  I'm am very
confused by media wiki in general.

Ignacio will also be nominating, however he currently is having issues
logging into the wiki.

Thanks,
Sam


>
> So I've moved the "copied over" tag accordingly.
>
> > In a quick search, I could not find any participation by at least
> > one of the candidates on any of the SugarLabs communication channels
> > since 2013. This opens a few options: Postpone the filing deadline
> > and subsequent election.  Appoint the the current candidate list
> > leaving one slot open. Reduce the size of the board to fire members
> > and hold the election as scheduled.
>
> I agree; if the candidates are less than the seats, then there is no
> election.  Good news; as elections are expensive.
>
> > Or, one might seek to understand why interest in Sugar and Sugarlabs
> > continues to decline.
>
> No, the governance of an organisation should not be distracted by
> such matters.
>
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Sora Edwards-Thro]

Price has gone up to $49.99

for
Prime members, as far as I can tell. That's a 43% increase over the Black
Friday $34.99 deal, not 86% or double.

The Black Friday sale ended, yeah. And they're not discounting those
particular tablets for Cyber Monday, which is silly. And because everyone
got them on Black Friday, they're not going to be in stock until December
25th. This seems like standard holiday logistics stuff to me, not something
inherently terrible.

More troubling, the 6-pack (buy 5, get one free) deal is no longer a thing.
Actually, you're limited to 2 tablets at a time. They direct you to their
Education and Business solutions page if you'd like to order more / get a
bulk discount.

For those interested in the XO Infinity, the Indiegogo

just launched. The retail price will be $300; backers get a special
discount ($250). . There's also an option to donate one; it's $250.
Finally, $2,390 gets you 10, giving a cost of $240 per unit plus shipping.

Being generous and saying that shipping only costs $10, each Infinity is 5x
the $49.99 undiscounted price of an Amazon tablet. So, if you're looking
for a cheap device to do basic tasks, unless we're expecting the Infinity
to last 15 years and still be relevant 15 years later, tablets are the
better option. I don't think the Infinity team is trying to replace cheap
tablets with their device. They're trying to do something new and exciting,
and that's admirable. But let's not pretend it's cost-effective.

If your goal is environmental sustainability and local ownership, it makes
sense to pay more upfront for a tablet that's produced in-country. Lower
shipping, support local industry, might be easier for staff on the ground
to repair and replace. Wee're definitely monitoring manufacturers in Haiti,
especially now that Amazon tablet price and the price of their tablets is
essentially equal (previously, with the 6-pack deal, we were only paying
$42 per unit...$8 discounts add up over 25 units).

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> Amazon assures us they are not in fact a casino, with oscillating prices,
> oscillating inventory, and oscillating policies, and 86'ing inventory from
> a country whose code is +86 = China ;-)
>
> Perhaps worse from microdeployments' very practical and pragmatic
> perspective, looking out over the high walls of Fortress America, Amzn's
> tablets just don't exist in many countries, so that "local capacity
> building" CAN become more than a fundraising buzzword One Day.
>
> But yes: fyi Amazon has now almost doubled its tablet price range/target:
> "$64.99 without special offers", instead of $34.99-for-everyone so very
> recently.
>
> Braddock's cautions (about deployments having the logistics rug pulled out
> from under them) apply earlier than we imagined...
>
> Oh for the good old days when OLPC'S microdeployment pricing only
> oscillated about 10-to-20% of the XO's "China price" (perhaps that's still
> the case, if OLPC still uses DHL from China).  OLPC's microdeployment
> real/actual pricing (including country-by-country certication, delivery
> from China, customs brokering) being even more stable in the USA, last I
> checked anyway.
>
> The future of student devices / clean browsers / consistent Sugar UX
> remains all too blurry for now ~ might OLPC Australia's "Infinite" hardware
> (modular laptop, announced for September 2016) possibly reconsider a clean
> Sugar experience out-of-the-box?
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Adam Holt]

On Nov 30, 2015 8:27 AM, "Nick Doiron"  wrote:
> The tablet will return to the cheap price from time to time, and get
cheaper in the long run as it is mass produced.

I would not make the assumption that hardware costs are retail price are so
correlated.  Anybody is free to invest in AMZN shares if they believe
Amazon can successfully achieve such global lock-in!

Certainly it's time for "pure Android" to face some competitive pressure:
unless one own shares in GOOG, Android was not in fact appointed by the
pope & Allah & God herself to save the masses from themselves.

On the bright side, Amzn's casino-style marketing engine dangling Christmas
candy in front of us Helpless Americans (much like ChromeOS laptops less
than $100, and new Chinese/India forks of Android) will surely bring
affordable diversity among QA'd clean devices to the developing world, so
long overdue, Eventually (will a little help from Confucius & Hindu Gods!)
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[IAEP] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Adam Holt]

Amazon assures us they are not in fact a casino, with oscillating prices,
oscillating inventory, and oscillating policies, and 86'ing inventory from
a country whose code is +86 = China ;-)

Perhaps worse from microdeployments' very practical and pragmatic
perspective, looking out over the high walls of Fortress America, Amzn's
tablets just don't exist in many countries, so that "local capacity
building" CAN become more than a fundraising buzzword One Day.

But yes: fyi Amazon has now almost doubled its tablet price range/target:
"$64.99 without special offers", instead of $34.99-for-everyone so very
recently.

Braddock's cautions (about deployments having the logistics rug pulled out
from under them) apply earlier than we imagined...

Oh for the good old days when OLPC'S microdeployment pricing only
oscillated about 10-to-20% of the XO's "China price" (perhaps that's still
the case, if OLPC still uses DHL from China).  OLPC's microdeployment
real/actual pricing (including country-by-country certication, delivery
from China, customs brokering) being even more stable in the USA, last I
checked anyway.

The future of student devices / clean browsers / consistent Sugar UX
remains all too blurry for now ~ might OLPC Australia's "Infinite" hardware
(modular laptop, announced for September 2016) possibly reconsider a clean
Sugar experience out-of-the-box?
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Nick Doiron]

Percentage wise sure, but I don't think it's that much of a dollar
difference when it's compared to other devices and everything else a school
deployment needs. I'm reminded of a blogger's calculation a few years back,
that the NY Times could just send every subscriber a free iPad and save
millions. It doesn't make sense until you think of the complex logistics
which are already in place.

The tablet will return to the cheap price from time to time, and get
cheaper in the long run as it is mass produced.
On Nov 30, 2015 6:46 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

> Amazon assures us they are not in fact a casino, with oscillating prices,
> oscillating inventory, and oscillating policies, and 86'ing inventory from
> a country whose code is +86 = China ;-)
>
> Perhaps worse from microdeployments' very practical and pragmatic
> perspective, looking out over the high walls of Fortress America, Amzn's
> tablets just don't exist in many countries, so that "local capacity
> building" CAN become more than a fundraising buzzword One Day.
>
> But yes: fyi Amazon has now almost doubled its tablet price range/target:
> "$64.99 without special offers", instead of $34.99-for-everyone so very
> recently.
>
> Braddock's cautions (about deployments having the logistics rug pulled out
> from under them) apply earlier than we imagined...
>
> Oh for the good old days when OLPC'S microdeployment pricing only
> oscillated about 10-to-20% of the XO's "China price" (perhaps that's still
> the case, if OLPC still uses DHL from China).  OLPC's microdeployment
> real/actual pricing (including country-by-country certication, delivery
> from China, customs brokering) being even more stable in the USA, last I
> checked anyway.
>
> The future of student devices / clean browsers / consistent Sugar UX
> remains all too blurry for now ~ might OLPC Australia's "Infinite" hardware
> (modular laptop, announced for September 2016) possibly reconsider a clean
> Sugar experience out-of-the-box?
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Adam Holt]

On Nov 30, 2015 8:45 AM, "Sora Edwards-Thro"  wrote:
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> Price has gone up to $49.99 for Prime members, as far as I can tell.
That's a 43% increase over the Black Friday $34.99 deal, not 86% or double.

FWIW "$64.99 Amazon Prime without special offers" is Amazon's very own
language, an 86% rise over the price-for-everyone on many recent days.

If they're going to Fire up the Christmas hype machine, we should honor
their offering for what it is (unlockable for now, long term unclear).  But
suppliers also need to man up and face the consequences when they pull the
rug out from sincere edutech communities.

There are state laws to protect people from constantly changing pricing,
arbitrarily limiting quantities (and hiding limiting quantities, unlike
traditional retailers which are more forthcoming than Amazon, warning
consumers in their fliers that there will be limited quantities).  And
similar anticompetitive practices in the face of modern consumer protection.

Amazon knows the Attorneys General of all 50 states extremely well, who may
(or may not, given lobbyists are well known for buying off Attorneys
General) protect US buyers anyway, from such big dataveillance
shenanigans...
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Sora Edwards-Thro]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:
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> FWIW "$64.99 Amazon Prime without special offers" is Amazon's very own
> language, an 86% rise over the price-for-everyone on many recent days.
>
As far as I understand, that's *always *been the situation. When I bought
tablets back in September, I had the option of paying $15 more per tablet
to avoid ads, but I didn't consider that an essential feature so I didn't
pay extra for it. Is there any reason it would be essential, especially in
an offline situation where there's no potential to actually click-'n-'buy
anything?
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