Re: [IAEP] The Father Of Mobile Computing Is Not Impressed

[Sameer Verma]

Good read. Thx.

Sameer

On Sep 17, 2017 1:42 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:

> https://www.fastcompany.com/40435064/what-alan-kay-thinks-
> about-the-iphone-and-technology-now
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[IAEP] Education science resources

[Ron Feigenblatt]

Hello,

I'd like to bring your attention to a high-brow, edited,
monthly-updated, online resource published by Oxford University Press,
the "Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Education."

The description at
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/oxford-research-encyclopedias-education-9780190264093
notes that, for the present, its content (now 91 articles) can be read
without payment.

Find the actual encyclopedia content at: http://education.oxfordre.com/

Among the article(-stub)s which might interest readers of this mailing list are:
 School Culture
 Self-Directed Education—Unschooling and Democratic Schooling
 Alternative Education
 International Cooperation for Education in Developing Countries

(BTW, I alerted the author of the last article to a typo I found in
scanning it.)

As I write, the only article in the "Technology and Education" category is
 Assistive Technology to Enhance Inclusive Education

Allow me to change the subject by also bringing your attention to an
online resource which first alerted me to the existence of the Oxford
encyclopedia above, namely a web site dedicated to the life's work of
the late "unschooling" pioneer John Holt. Find it at
https://johnholtgws.squarespace.com/  and learn more about this
influential person at
https://johnholtgws.squarespace.com/who-was-john-holt/

Ron Feigenblatt
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[IAEP] The Father Of Mobile Computing Is Not Impressed

[Dave Crossland]

https://www.fastcompany.com/40435064/what-alan-kay-thinks-about-the-iphone-and-technology-now
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Re: [IAEP] Interesting quote from Alan Kay '72 paper

[Dave Crossland]

Love it! Thanks for sharing

On Sep 17, 2017 8:20 AM, "Sebastian Silva" 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> *"A combination of this "carry anywhere" device and a global information
> utility such as the ARPA network or two-way cable TV, will bring the
> libraries and schools (not to mention stores and billboards) or the world
> to the home. One can imagine one of the first programs an owner will write
> is a filter to eliminate advertising!"*
>
> *- Alan Kay, 1972*
>
> *https://mprove.de/diplom/gui/kay72.html*
>  (full text)
>
> *http://history-computer.com/Library/Kay72.pdf
> * (original)
>
> I couldn't help but feeling identified with this "owner".
>
> Regards,
>
> Sebastian
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Laura Vargas]

Hello Samuel,

Back on 2015, on the historic "Planning for the Future" thread you shared
on IAEP
(Sugar Labs supported mailing list) your concern "that Sugar needed to
ensure it had long-term sponsorship and a long-term user base."


*I agree with you and it was one of the reasons to make Sugar UI
machine-vendor neutral.*
You also mention long term planning for Sugar Labs & OLPC and how they both
need to come up with long-term strategies. From your disclaimer it is not
clear if you were at the time an employee of OLPC.



*We Sugar Labs, as far as I as Board Member since 2017 know, don't have any
contractual relationship with this computer vendor.Sugar Labs needs its
members to urgently disassociate Sugar and Sugar Labs from this computer
vendor.*

It's hurting our neutrality and our capacity to evolve Sugar.

Regards,

Laura V



2017-09-17 8:13 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva :

> "What is legally required, as regards other people’s trademarks, is to *avoid
> using them* in ways which a reader might reasonably understand *as*
> naming or *labeling* *our own* programs or *activities*." [1]
>
> - citing from the GNU Coding standards, section 2.3 "Trademarks"
>
> https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Trademarks.html
> Emphasis added by me.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
>
> On 16/09/17 21:18, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
>
> But I intentionally gave the very simple examples...
>
> While RHEL/CentOS (and many other open source/commercial hybrid projects)
> rebrand their free versions because a complete replacement causes obvious
> confusion, these projects themselves include many products with trademarked
> names.
>
> Should Sugar refuse to include a Python(tm) editor?  Or change programming
> languages because we proudly say Sugar is written in Python(tm)?
> https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/
>
> Do we then go to JavaScript(tm) which is a trademark of Oracle(R)?
>
> Or be confused with any number of products (shoes, hand lotion, etc.)
> which also have trademarks for the "Python" name?
>
> Trademarks come into play primarily when there is confusion.  And OLPC
> allegedly muddied the waters early on by allowing their name and logos to
> be used by OLPC France, OLPC SF, etc.
>
> It's not clear at this point if there is confusion between Sugar Labs and
> OLPC over the logo, except as part of a historical reference which both
> companies have.
>
> If there was clear proof that OLPC was using the XO logo to promote
> Endless then there might be something.  If OLPC explicitly asked Sugar to
> change the icon, then that would be something to be considered.
>
> OLPC's website, while updated, still promotes Sugar on XO-1.75's and the
> "XO Laptop Touch" (by specs, likely a XO-4).
>
> Given we still know people at OLPC, and OLPC people who went to Endless, I
> would have expected to hear something by now if they formally wanted to
> break ties with Sugar.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Sebastian Silva <
> sebast...@fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 16/09/17 18:19, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
>>
>>
>> By this measure, are we implying that Fedora & CentOS cannot be
>> distributed because they contain trademarks owned by Red Hat, and Ubuntu
>> cannot be distributed because it contains the name and logos owned by
>> Canonical?
>>
>>
>> Your questions are spot on. Perhaps your examples will serve to clarify
>> the issue:
>>
>> The point of CentOS is exactly to remove trademarks from Red Hat Linux in
>> order to be able to distribute it legally.
>>
>> Quoting from Wikipedia CentOS article.
>>
>> *`CentOS developers use Red Hat's source code to create a final product
>> very similar to RHEL. Red Hat's **branding and logos are changed**
>> because Red Hat does not allow them to be redistributed.`*
>>
>> And I also know that, while you can distribute Ubuntu, you cannot make a
>> derivative distribution of it and call it anything-like-buntu, or you will
>> have problems with Canonical Inc.
>>
>> Quoting directly from https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/t
>> erms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy:
>>
>> *`Any redistribution of modified versions of Ubuntu must be approved,
>> certified or provided by Canonical if you are going to associate it with
>> the Trademarks. Otherwise you must** remove and replace the Trademarks**
>> and will need to recompile the source code to create your own binaries.`*
>>
>> As you can see, being this topic such a mess in general, Sugar Labs would
>> serve its community well by staying clear of any Trademarks, as a general
>> policy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Sebastian Silva]

"What is legally required, as regards other people’s trademarks, is to
*avoid using them* in ways which a reader might reasonably understand
*as* naming or *labeling* *our own* programs or *activities*." [1]

    - citing from the GNU Coding standards, section 2.3 "Trademarks"

    https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Trademarks.html

Emphasis added by me.

Regards,
Sebastian

On 16/09/17 21:18, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
> But I intentionally gave the very simple examples...
>
> While RHEL/CentOS (and many other open source/commercial hybrid
> projects) rebrand their free versions because a complete replacement
> causes obvious confusion, these projects themselves include many
> products with trademarked names.
>
> Should Sugar refuse to include a Python(tm) editor?  Or change
> programming languages because we proudly say Sugar is written in
> Python(tm)?  https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/
>
> Do we then go to JavaScript(tm) which is a trademark of Oracle(R)?
>
> Or be confused with any number of products (shoes, hand lotion, etc.)
> which also have trademarks for the "Python" name?
>
> Trademarks come into play primarily when there is confusion.  And OLPC
> allegedly muddied the waters early on by allowing their name and logos
> to be used by OLPC France, OLPC SF, etc. 
>
> It's not clear at this point if there is confusion between Sugar Labs
> and OLPC over the logo, except as part of a historical reference which
> both companies have. 
>
> If there was clear proof that OLPC was using the XO logo to promote
> Endless then there might be something.  If OLPC explicitly asked Sugar
> to change the icon, then that would be something to be considered.
>
> OLPC's website, while updated, still promotes Sugar on XO-1.75's and
> the "XO Laptop Touch" (by specs, likely a XO-4).
>
> Given we still know people at OLPC, and OLPC people who went to
> Endless, I would have expected to hear something by now if they
> formally wanted to break ties with Sugar.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Sebastian Silva
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> On 16/09/17 18:19, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
>
>>
>> By this measure, are we implying that Fedora & CentOS cannot be
>> distributed because they contain trademarks owned by Red Hat, and
>> Ubuntu cannot be distributed because it contains the name and
>> logos owned by Canonical?
>
> Your questions are spot on. Perhaps your examples will serve to
> clarify the issue:
>
> The point of CentOS is exactly to remove trademarks from Red Hat
> Linux in order to be able to distribute it legally.
>
> Quoting from Wikipedia CentOS article.
>
> /`CentOS developers use Red Hat's source code to create a
> final product very similar to RHEL. Red Hat's //*branding and
> logos are changed*//because Red Hat does not allow them to be
> redistributed.`/
>
> And I also know that, while you can distribute Ubuntu, you cannot
> make a derivative distribution of it and call it
> anything-like-buntu, or you will have problems with Canonical Inc.
>
> Quoting directly from
> 
> https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy
> 
> :
>
> /`Any redistribution of modified versions of Ubuntu must be
> approved, certified or provided by Canonical if you are going
> to associate it with the Trademarks. Otherwise you
> must//*remove and replace the Trademarks*//and will need to
> recompile the source code to create your own binaries.`/
>
> As you can see, being this topic such a mess in general, Sugar
> Labs would serve its community well by staying clear of any
> Trademarks, as a general policy.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
>

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[IAEP] Interesting quote from Alan Kay '72 paper

[Sebastian Silva]

Hi,

/"A combination of this "carry anywhere" device and a global information
utility such as the ARPA network or two-way cable TV, will bring the
libraries and schools (not to mention stores and billboards) or the
world to the home. One can imagine one of the first programs an owner
will write is a filter to eliminate advertising!"/

/        - Alan Kay, 1972/

/https://mprove.de/diplom/gui/kay72.html/ (full text)

/http://history-computer.com/Library/Kay72.pdf/ (original)

I couldn't help but feeling identified with this "owner".

Regards,

Sebastian

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