Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 05:30:30PM -0500, Frederick Grose wrote:
> I had success with this patch.  See
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042#c16

Thanks for testing!  In our development meeting just now, I said
nobody had tested, and I was wrong, by three minutes.  Well timed!

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Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:40 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> Here's a fix to try.
>
> In the Terminal activity, paste these three commands one by one;
>
> wget 
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/810/commits/9e7a93afba13470464700673dec6a3f9750cfd34.patch
>
> sudo dnf install -y patch
>
> sudo patch /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalactivity.py 
> < 9e7a93afba13470464700673dec6a3f9750cfd34.patch
>
> Then logout and login again.  The Journal should not appear until you
> ask for it.  You may see a series of rectangles drawn briefly, and Log
> activity should have in shell.log file
>
> WARNING root: Journal premature deiconify by Metacity (RHBZ #1519042), try 
> again.

I had success with this patch.  See
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042#c16
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Re: [IAEP] Announcement of the candicacy of Lionel Laské for SLOB

[Samson Goddy]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 10:21 PM Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> Hi Alex,
>
> Le mar. 27 nov. 2018 à 18:27, Alex Perez  a écrit :
>
>> Lionel,
>>
>> Thank you for stepping forward. I encourage others to ask questions of
>> you as well. I have a few:
>>
>> Sure, you're welcome.
>
>
>> Are you willing to state that you will make your best effort to attend
>> all SLOB meetings? There is no statement to this effect on your candidacy
>> page, and as you are no doubt aware, I have called out a number of current
>> SLOB members out regarding their extremely poor attendance.
>>
>> Few things about that.
> Thanks for the count you've done about attendance for each SLOB member. I
> respect your work however I must say you're wrong on me at least for the
> last meeting. I was there as you could see on the log.  BTW the question is
> not about meeting attendance but more about meeting content. I must say
> that we spent in 2 previous years lot of time and energy to talk and debate
> about travel reimbursement for some members. These debates discouraged lot
> of SLOB members and it's probably the reason some of them decided to not
> candidate again. I must confess I was questioning myself too: your own
> candidacy was one reason to motivate me that something could be changed
> (please James, join us too ;-).
> Finally, I'm not sure anyone could have doubt about my personal engagement
> in SugarLabs during past years.
>
>
>> Also, on your candidacy page, you state "We are an open source community.
>> It should be asserted on our webpage and we must choose tools compatible
>> with that philosophy. It's not acceptable for example that today the
>> SugarLabs webpage include multiple tracking tools."
>>
>> Can you be more specific about what sort of tracking tools you believe
>> are problematic? I personally agree that the Sugar Labs website needs to do
>> a better job explaining what the project is, and that it is an open source
>> project (these words to not appear anywhere on the Sugar Labs landing page).
>>
>> I think specifically to Google Analytics. But as you said the main point
> is that words Open Source should appears clearly.
>

I believe in improvement and how to make a community better. As a member of
Sugar Labs, have you considered opening an issue on the www-sugarlabs to
bring in a better alternative? Ignoring things, as a community member when
have a better solution for "me" isn't a good way to grow a community.

(My opinion)

>
> Regards,
>> Alex Perez
>>
>>
> Lionel Laské 
>> November 27, 2018 at 9:02 AM
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm proud to be candidate for the SugarLabs Oversight Board election.
>>
>> Find more about my candidacy here:
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates/Lionel_Lask%C3%A9
>>
>> Best regards from France.
>>
>> Lionel.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [IAEP] Announcement of the candicacy of Lionel Laské for SLOB

[Lionel Laské]

Hi Alex,

Le mar. 27 nov. 2018 à 18:27, Alex Perez  a écrit :

> Lionel,
>
> Thank you for stepping forward. I encourage others to ask questions of you
> as well. I have a few:
>
> Sure, you're welcome.


> Are you willing to state that you will make your best effort to attend all
> SLOB meetings? There is no statement to this effect on your candidacy page,
> and as you are no doubt aware, I have called out a number of current SLOB
> members out regarding their extremely poor attendance.
>
> Few things about that.
Thanks for the count you've done about attendance for each SLOB member. I
respect your work however I must say you're wrong on me at least for the
last meeting. I was there as you could see on the log.  BTW the question is
not about meeting attendance but more about meeting content. I must say
that we spent in 2 previous years lot of time and energy to talk and debate
about travel reimbursement for some members. These debates discouraged lot
of SLOB members and it's probably the reason some of them decided to not
candidate again. I must confess I was questioning myself too: your own
candidacy was one reason to motivate me that something could be changed
(please James, join us too ;-).
Finally, I'm not sure anyone could have doubt about my personal engagement
in SugarLabs during past years.


> Also, on your candidacy page, you state "We are an open source community.
> It should be asserted on our webpage and we must choose tools compatible
> with that philosophy. It's not acceptable for example that today the
> SugarLabs webpage include multiple tracking tools."
>
> Can you be more specific about what sort of tracking tools you believe are
> problematic? I personally agree that the Sugar Labs website needs to do a
> better job explaining what the project is, and that it is an open source
> project (these words to not appear anywhere on the Sugar Labs landing page).
>
> I think specifically to Google Analytics. But as you said the main point
is that words Open Source should appears clearly.

Regards,
> Alex Perez
>
>
Lionel Laské 
> November 27, 2018 at 9:02 AM
> Hi all,
>
> I'm proud to be candidate for the SugarLabs Oversight Board election.
>
> Find more about my candidacy here:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates/Lionel_Lask%C3%A9
>
> Best regards from France.
>
> Lionel.
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Announcement of the candicacy of Lionel Laské for SLOB

[Alex Perez]

Lionel,

Thank you for stepping forward. I encourage others to ask questions of 
you as well. I have a few:


Are you willing to state that you will make your best effort to attend 
all SLOB meetings? There is no statement to this effect on your 
candidacy page, and as you are no doubt aware, I have called out a 
number of current SLOB members out regarding their extremely poor 
attendance.


Also, on your candidacy page, you state "We are an open source 
community. It should be asserted on our webpage and we must choose tools 
compatible with that philosophy. It's not acceptable for example that 
today the SugarLabs webpage include multiple tracking tools."


Can you be more specific about what sort of tracking tools you believe 
are problematic? I personally agree that the Sugar Labs website needs to 
do a better job explaining what the project is, and that it is an open 
source project (these words to not appear anywhere on the Sugar Labs 
landing page).


Regards,
Alex Perez


Lionel Laské 
November 27, 2018 at 9:02 AM
Hi all,

I'm proud to be candidate for the SugarLabs Oversight Board election.

Find more about my candidacy here: 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates/Lionel_Lask%C3%A9


Best regards from France.

Lionel.


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[IAEP] Announcement of the candicacy of Lionel Laské for SLOB

[Lionel Laské]

Hi all,

I'm proud to be candidate for the SugarLabs Oversight Board election.

Find more about my candidacy here:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates/Lionel_Lask%C3%A9

Best regards from France.

Lionel.
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Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[James Cameron]

Here's a fix to try.

In the Terminal activity, paste these three commands one by one;

wget 
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/810/commits/9e7a93afba13470464700673dec6a3f9750cfd34.patch

sudo dnf install -y patch

sudo patch /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalactivity.py < 
9e7a93afba13470464700673dec6a3f9750cfd34.patch

Then logout and login again.  The Journal should not appear until you
ask for it.  You may see a series of rectangles drawn briefly, and Log
activity should have in shell.log file

WARNING root: Journal premature deiconify by Metacity (RHBZ #1519042), try 
again.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:04:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote:
> Hi all, and thanks for making and sharing sugar. It looks like wonderful
> software.
> 
> I'd like to introduce my 8yo kid to sugar, so I installed vanilla F29 on an 
> old
> MacBook Pro, updated all installed software via yum (no apparent problems with
> that much), and then I followed the instructions I found [1]here:
> 
> ==
> 
> Using Sugar as a Desktop Environment
> 
> Install Fedora. Then, in a Terminal, type:
> 
> sudo dnf groupinstall sugar-desktop
> 
> Then restart your computer. At the Sign in select the Sugar desktop.
> 
> ==
> 
> I did that, and after having done so, I don't have the same experience that I
> see when I go to [2]https://try.sugarizer.org.
> 
> When I visit [3]https://try.sugarizer.org I see two options to click: "New
> user" and "Login", so I chose the former. Then I see "Choose name" and I type 
> a
> trial name in to the text field and click "Next". Then I see "Choose at least 
> 4
> images:" and I click on "a", "b", "c", and "d" and then click "Next". And now 
> I
> see "Click to change color:", and here is where there is one page that has 
> some
> common features with my F29/Sugar desktop environment. So I click until I like
> a color combination for my trial XO character and then click "Done." Then I 
> see
> a spinny icon and shortly afterwards I see my XO character at the center of a
> spiral of Activity icons that I suspect is very familiar to everyone here 
> (what
> I think of as the Sugar desktop).
> 
> But this differs in some important ways from what I see in my F29/Sugar 
> desktop
> environment.
> 
> When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display manager in 
> F29
> and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:" screen.
> After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose gender.
> After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose a grade.
> After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character at the center
> of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at [4]https://try.sugarizer.org. I
> don't see anything like it at all. I can't take a screenshot of it because the
> screen seems to have no functionality for that at all. In the middle of a 
> white
> screen I see a gray icon of a three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your Journal
> is empty". In the black top bar or "title bar", I see a small gray magnifying
> glass search icon in a white text box that reads "Search in Journal" on the 
> far
> left, and then proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, then a white
> box icon with its four top flaps open, then two drop-down menus that read
> "Anything" (entitled "Select filter") and "Anytime" (also entitled "Select
> filter" with date options like "Today" and "Since yesterday"), respectively,
> then lastly I see an icon of a pencil writing on a piece of paper with upward
> and downward pointing triangles (another drop-down menu entitled "Sort view").
> 
> I get the impression that in my F29/Sugar desktop described above, I'm looking
> at the Journal Activity, not the spiral collection of Activity icons that I 
> see
> at [5]https://try.sugarizer.org.
> 
> In [6]https://try.sugarizer.org, I see the same three-ring binder icon just
> below the XO character, and when I click on it at 
> [7]https://try.sugarizer.org,
> I'm taken to a screen that is similar to my desktop in my F29/Sugar desktop
> ("Search in journal", white star, "Anything" and "Anytime" drop-down menus, a
> question mark inside a circle, and finally a dot inside a circle on the far
> right; and the same three-ring binder icon in the center of the screen above
> the words "Your journal is empty"). But I can exit this screen and return to
> the spiral of Activity icons by clicking the dot-in-circle icon. There is no
> way I can find to exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop.
> 
> When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old MacBook
> Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when logging into
> this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the gnome display
> manager.
> 
> So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the
> Journal activity) look something like what I see at [8]https://
> try.sugarizer.org (which I think is what I'm supposed to be