Re: [IAEP] Long-term development strategy (Was: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119)

2010-04-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: And there is a perfect reason for a stable distro such as RHEL or CentOS :-) :-) Two quick things I want to inject into this conversation. - Timing affects this decision. We're not in the abstract -- this is _now_. If

Re: [IAEP] Peru, OLPC and Wikipedia

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:49 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: the interviewed social Darwinist is Robert Wright, the author of  Nonzero http://www.nonzero.org/ The filmmaker is Righteous Pictures http://righteouspictures.com/ Wright seems to believe that there is a higher purpose to

Re: [IAEP] How to save Journal entries from multiple students to a single computer?

2010-05-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
David, Sugaristas, maybe there's a way to disable the auto-login-as-liveuser and create a different account (and homedir!) for each user. I don't know how SoaS does the auto-login-as-liveuser -- my recipe would be - find out how, and disable the trick - create accounts for each user -

Re: [IAEP] How to save Journal entries from multiple students to a single computer?

2010-05-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
2010/5/14 Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py: Based on the backup function, I wrote a script that calculates the total number of Journal entries (among all users) for each activity. My idea was to infer the favorite activities.. but I need some heuristics because counting created

Re: [IAEP] Working with a commercial entity.

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: Over the past couple of months I have been exploring business opportunities to promote the adoption and development of Sugar.  One of these opportunities is a service and support business for deployments.  As such, we are

Re: [IAEP] Working with a commercial entity.

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Done critically, creatively, and transparently, voluntary free software projects There is a bit of misdirection in there. Projects are rarely defined as a voluntary free software project. IMHE successful

Re: [IAEP] Working with a commercial entity.

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: Making deals with commercial partners have a tendency to spawn discrete communication and work shared openly but as a result, not a peer process (a famous example is that of Google Android release process of linux kernel

Re: [IAEP] Supporting Sugar .88 on the XO1

2010-05-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:48 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: As Bernie announced, we working on supporting Sugar .88 on the XO-1. Excellent. No need for soul searching. Get it done for your users, get the patches out :-) Give not a second of thought to blame and failure. cheers,

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] OLPC rules out Windows for XO-3

2010-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:56 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Do you think that the solution is to create a new and more narrow list No more lists please ;-) ! Move thread to d...@lists.laptop.org where it belongs ;-) Mostly the same crowd, but not quite. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Proposal release management

2010-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: Perhaps we should instead be talking about whatever role describes the people who /do/ care about the code that goes in? Programmer. Implementor. Product manager. :-) I think the view is that features have their own

Re: [IAEP] Notes from OLPC/Waveplace Health Discussion

2010-06-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Beth Santos b...@waveplace.org wrote: See notes below about our Public Health meeting from Tuesday, June 22nd at 4pm EST. Given the interest in health -- do you know about... - USAID's health materials at http://www.globalhealthlearning.org/ - WHO Pacific's

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] F11+0.88+XO1.* as a SL project

2010-07-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: So that could be what defines a project, but which are the consequences of becoming an official project? Yeah - what does it mean? I'd say just highlight, endorse, promote, congratulate and celebrate projects :-) Truth is,

Re: [IAEP] Who determines what version of Sugar is used in the field?

2010-07-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: Mel's response: To me, this is very clear - SL decides what version(s) of Sugar it will support, and deployments will decide what version(s) of Sugar they will use. Exactly. That's a huge part of the Free in FOSS. We can all

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: I think an honest assessment would indicate that OLPC has done some initial work on supporting touchscreen devices, but that SugarLabs has not (so far). (...) SugarLabs is where many developers get together. Similar to

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote: Where Mesh != 802.11s but rather an adhoc, self healing, self organizing routable network. Cerebro gave a great working demo of what you describe. Don't know how they compare. I think it is perfectly feasible to achieve

Re: [IAEP] Child in charge of FOSS or Sugar

2010-09-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Søren Hougesen soren.houge...@gmail.com wrote: For about a month ago, I asked as a curious outsider, if kids were actually hacking sugar. Two factors are important here: - We all have very high and complex expectations for Sugar, so Sugar itself is internally

Re: [IAEP] Child in charge of FOSS or Sugar

2010-09-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Teemu Leinonen teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: The issue is even more important when the project is claiming to promote FLOSS culture, like in the case of Sugar. In my definition of That is _not_ the primary goal of Sugar. Sugar aims for lots of goals, first and

Re: [IAEP] llamado internacional a capacitadores Moodle

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
2011/1/19 Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@bolinux.org: Ceibal ha publicado este llamado para capacitadores Moodle http://tinyurl.com/4rnkl2v Es trabajo a distancia, 1.000 USD por mes, requisito es ser residente de un pais del Banco Interamericano de Desarrollo Excelente! Si alguien está en una

Re: [IAEP] !! in 10.1.3, setting languages property clears all activities

2011-01-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: thus having an image available might actually save bandwidth - AFAIK Sugar is about half the size of a Fedora download Yes it is smaller, but if Tim in Haiti is very bw-limited, even the smaller thing is too large.

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi folks.  I wish to make a radical proposal: Sugar is starting to move forward again. We could focus or we could Get Distracted! :-) [ Yes, there are some interesting hints on the Android side. And on the cloud. And Tablets! And ChromeOS! And Win7-on-Nokia! Don't forget Kinect. Rebase and

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:31 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: Stepping back for a moment, the key question is: how can we get Sugar out of the window manager and network manager and activity update and UI toolkit business, where it's just not keeping up (and wasting our efforts),

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

2011-02-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:32 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: This seems to me to be a red herring.  What does connectivity have to do with your choice of OS? While technically possible to write all sort of sw yourself, you choose an OS based on the affordances it offers. The OSs

Re: [IAEP] Any olpc/Sugar/ICT4E people in Spain?

2011-03-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: olpc/Sugar/ICT4E who are based here in Madrid or elsewhere in Spain? In Spain the Moodle community is very strong -- peaks around Catalunya. Vasque country is strong on alternative linux distros for

Re: [IAEP] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

2011-04-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: PCs and Linux machines yes. But... there still lots of issues with Macs and so far it does not work with the older G4 Power PC Macs (EToys to go does!). Does Android run on your G4 PPC Mac?? Or is this all random talk?

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The oversight board is considering a motion to upgrade the license of Sugar from GPLv2 or later to GPLv3 or later. Before proceeding to a vote, we'd like to request feedback from the community. Interesting. (Bad

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Authors can express their intentions through a license. If you didn't want your code to be redistributed under a later versions of the GPL, then why didn't you distribute as GPLv2-only? On a personal note here...

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: Yes, you seem to be confused Bernie.  You can redistribute under a license however you like, usually without explicitly stating it.  But if you alter the source files or replace COPYING, you are *changing the license*.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I sure wish that GPLv3 was limited to those bugfixes, and the anti-tivo wording was segregatd to a new license; a bit like some clauses were split off to the Affero-GPL. The GPL always has been about protecting the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Murder? You bet! And this isn't hard to get over. Easy. Oops. Not easy to get over. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - ask interesting questions  - don't get

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GPL non-compliance, was Re: [SLOBS] GPLv3

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, I am too dumb to know the full ins and outs of this.  I also have been advised that I should not mess with this because (as I

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GPL non-compliance, was Re: [SLOBS] GPLv3

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Folks -- one thing we need to be in good intellectual shape to handle loaded questions. Everyone here probably knows them well, but I just re-read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question and it was rather refreshing and useful. In general, if you don't know much about a topic, it is a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
at 03:38 -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: What is done with said code was never the business of GPLv2. GPLv3 starts getting its nose into the how it is used side. Wait a moment: neither the GPLv2 nor the GPLv3 has ever put any limitation on the way you can *use* the software. One could use GPLv3

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3

2011-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Likewise, Sugar Labs has an obligation to act on all GPL violations reported on Sugar Labs copyrighted code. But we cannot act on our own if we do not hold copyright. Minor technical note here -- SL has a right, but

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: To me, one of the more compelling arguments for considering GPLv3 is When the Rules Are Broken: A Smooth Path to Compliance. Interesting! I hadn't thought it'd be so awkward, but if one is to be 100% formal, you need

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3

2011-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Gabriel Eirea gei...@gmail.com wrote: Fact 1: in Plan Ceibal the XO 1.0 and XO 1.5-HS don't provide access to root. Yes, but as Walter indicates, I understand it is allowed in newer OSs. In any case I am aware of efforts to make it available. This means that

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] XO power management hindering collaboration

2011-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.au wrote: This is with OLPC OS 10.1.3 (XO-AU 10.1.3-au2 - we haven't made any changes that would affect reliability of collaboration). The XOs were registered and using an XS. I've reported this at

Re: [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Sridhar, I don't fully understand your scenario. You say an XS is not an option... but I thought you were using XS, with Jerry's help? If you are using XS, you can use Moodle. If there is no XS, then any webbased tool that offers a file upload form to post a file to share will work. You can

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] copy files to/from server

2011-05-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: I still didn't make up my mind about which technical approach should I take in order to get this working, but I guess people already started sharing some ideas. And I would appreciate more ideas and discussion

Re: [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:12 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: why not use Moodle or Sharepoint or Blackboard? Yeah - there's an easy-installation Moodle package. That's what I'd go with. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - ask interesting

Re: [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure the exact details but sharepoint does support sharing as webdav. I'm not sure how it works on the server side but at work it works with Fedora 14 and webdav on the client side. AFAIK, if all you want is

Re: [IAEP] Raspberry Pi - $25 computer coming soon....

2011-08-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
The thing is -- you gotta put a computer around it to make it useful. Add a screen, a keyboard, touchpad, speakers, microphone, camera, storage... Once you do all that, if you want a rugged form factor, it looks a lot like a green-and-white unit we know. If you don't, then some of the lowest-cost

Re: [IAEP] Sugar UI font

2012-01-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.au wrote: Just a thought - how feasible would it be to take an existing open-licensed font (there are lots of good ones) and substitute in an a and 9 that are more consistent with Australian classroom That is your best shot

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Edujam 2012 sera mejor que Edujam 2011

2012-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Feb 9, 2012 8:40 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: As to your various questions regarding programming, the answer is, it depends. Creo que Walter aqui esta reaccionando a intentos excesivos de definir programar y escribir codigo. Visto de afuera, esto de programar es

Re: [IAEP] Uruguay first to get XO 1.75

2012-03-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 16.03.2012, at 19:45, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: Developers: begin to compile for ARM... Actually, developers have been doing this for many months already. As Bert says, we are shipping as a _result_ of the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] RFC:Simple Help widget for activities

2012-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
2012/3/8 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org: Here is a mockup I did for the same activity with this ideas: http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/simple_help_mock.png I really like this work track. Manuel and Gonzalo's proposed examples are, IMO, good to be options for activities. The central goal is _a

Re: [IAEP] New Co / Nueva Empresa

2012-05-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: concluded [3] that the Local Lab construct, which entails activities above and beyond writing, improving and documenting FLOSS, fell outside of the scope of our parent organization, the Software Freedom Conservancy

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [SLOBS] New Co / Nueva Empresa

2012-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: It has been 7 months since the Bumblebee brainstorming group had its discussion in San Francisco. I'm not sure what we thought would work for us, My recommendation is to let each group do their own thing. It's their

Re: [IAEP] Names for new XO-3

2012-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Caryl, just to clarify -- the unit is XO-4. Two variants will be available -- XO-4 Laptop and XO-4 Touch (a laptop with multitouch screen). The XO-4 Laptop is in general terms externally similar to XO-1.75, but gruntier guts. XO-4 Touch adds multitouch, so the frame changes a bit. cheers,

Re: [IAEP] Renaming the Telescope activity to Scope

2012-11-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: As I recall, this activity was already renamed once from xoscope after it became clear it was colliding in name space with an oscilloscpe activity. Renames are a pain in infrastructure, and in upgrade handling for

Re: [IAEP] Sugarized binaries? was Re: users doing python in XOs

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Yama, what you outline in #1 is generally doable. Just a bit of elbow grease to put the files in the Sugarized activity and have a wrapper to set the appropriate *PATH variables. #2 is generally not doable. As you say, there may be a way to do without superuser privs... You just have to find

Re: [IAEP] BERNIE

2014-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.netwrote: Please let me know if there are any problems with the site. It's missing a logo. Maybe this image can be stylized and repurposed... http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8207/8198080349_a40d2f849c_o.jpg m --

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