Re: [IAEP] [UKids] [Announcement] Sugarizer v0.8 is available for your device

2017-01-06 Thread Tim Moody 
Congratulations.  This is a lot of progress.



From: unleashk...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
Lionel Laské 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 3:02 AM
To: Sugar-dev Devel; iaep; unleashk...@googlegroups.com; OLPC Devel
Subject: [UKids] [Announcement] Sugarizer v0.8 is available for your device




Hi all,



I'm proud to announce the eighth version (0.8) of Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar 
for any device.



http://sugarizer.org

Sugarizer | A taste of Sugar on any device
sugarizer.org
A taste of Sugar on any device With Sugarizer, you can discover the Sugar 
Learning Platform on any device Used every day by nearly 3 million children 
around the world ...





Main features in this new version:

  *   Speak activity: The famous Sugar Speak activity: anything you type will 
be spoken aloud using the speech synthesizer.
  *   Moon activity: Another famous Sugar activity. A Moon phase viewer, 
includes Lunar phase information and eclipse data.
  *   Video Viewer activity: A generic video viewer, explore a predefined 
libraries (Khan Academy, Canopé) or import your own library and share it with 
others in the Journal.
  *   Shared Notes activity: A shared board where you could stick Post-It notes 
and share it in real time with others using presence.
  *   Updated Etoys activity: Latest version of Etoys is now included in the 
Sugarizer package.
  *   Windows 10:  Sugarizer is now available in the Windows Store [1]. So if 
you've got a PC on Windows, Sugarizer is one click long from you.
  *   Performance improvement: script optimization and lazy loading of data had 
dramatically improve performance in all activities.
  *   Better touch support: a new scrollable home view and a better handling of 
long touch on touch screens of any size.
  *   Application size reduction: Sugarizer application size is now under 50Mb.
  *   Portuguese localization: a new language support for our friends from 
Portugal and Brazil,
  *   SugarLabs inside: Sugarizer source code is now in SugarLabs repository 
[8].



New in Sugarizer 0.8 for Android is "Sugarizer OS". Sugarizer OS is a way to 
use Sugarizer as your Android Launcher on the device. So you could have the 
same experience with Sugarizer on your tablet/smartphone that you've got with 
Sugar on the XO laptop. More specifically, Sugarizer OS features are:

  *   Directly boot the device on Sugarizer home view (no more Android stuff)
  *   Full features and activities of Sugarizer (Sugarizer and Sugarizer OS 
share the same code)
  *   Include both Sugarizer activities and Android applications in your home 
view using favorites feature
  *   Launch Android applications from Sugarizer home view
  *   Journal will trace both Sugarizer and Android application launch
  *   Launch Android settings from the Sugarizer settings dialog
  *   Manage WiFi connection from the Sugarizer neighborhood view (like in 
Sugar)



With Sugarizer OS, Sugar on Android is now a reality: enjoy the experience and 
spread the world with Sugarizer !



Sugarizer 0.8 is available on: Windows Store [1], Google Play [2], Amazon Store 
[3], Apple Store [4], Chrome Web Store [5] and F-droid [6].

Sugarizer OS for Android is available in beta here [7].



   Lionel.



P.S.: Special thanks for their contribution on this version to Vishal Batchu 
(Speak activity), Shirsh Zibbu (Moon activity), Bert Freudenberg (Etoys 
activity), Jeremie Amsellem (Sugarizer OS), Michaël Ohayon (Sugarizer OS), 
Afmachado (Portugueuse Translation), Naofum (Japanese Translation), Christoph 
Derndorfer (German Translation),  Piotr Antosz (Polish Translation), Shubham 
Jaiswal (Arabic Translation), Samson Goddy (Igbo Yoruba Translation), Tymon 
P.Radzik (TankOp localization), Matías Martínez (Get Things Done, Chat 
Prototype and Markdown activity localization) - 4 students from Google Summer 
of Code and 5 students from Google Code In !







[1] https://www.microsoft.com/store/apps/9nblggh4r782

Sugarizer - Windows Apps on Microsoft 
Store
www.microsoft.com
The Sugar Learning Platform is a leading learning platform developed for the 
One Laptop per Child project and used every day by nearly 3 million children 
around the world. With Sugarizer, you could discover the Sugar Learning 
Platform on any Windows device. Sugarizer include a bunch of educative 
activities coming from the Sugar Learning Platform. A collection of tools that 
learners use to explore, discover, create, and reflect. Sugarizer is an open 
source software under Apache 2 licence, source code is available on Github.



[2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.olpc_france.sugarizer

[3] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NKK7PZA

[4] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sugarizer/id978495303

[5] 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sugarizer/omfgclgehghdlloggibhgicnlldjiboo

[6]

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] No Ballot? Check Your Spam Folder !

2016-01-30 Thread Tim Moody 
I still have no ballot in mail or junk and there are no rules I can adjust
at outlook.com.

 

From: support-gang [mailto:support-gang-boun...@lists.laptop.org] On Behalf
Of Caryl Bigenho
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 8:55 PM
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Community Support Volunteers -- who help
respond t 
Subject: [support-gang] No Ballot? Check Your Spam Folder !

 

Hi Folks..

 

Several people report they have not received their ballot for the SLOBs
election. The email will come from:

 

c...@cs.cornell.edu  

 

In your email list it will appear as being from me:

 

Caryl Bigenho (CIVS poll supervisor) (c...@cs.cornell.edu
 )

 

It may have been redirected to your SPAM folders. Check there and if you
don't find it, put c...@cs.cornell.edu  ) on
your safe list and let us know so we can resend it.

 

Caryl

 

 

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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] [Announcement] Sugarizer v0.7 is available for your device

2016-01-12 Thread Tim Moody 
congratulations.

 

From: unleashk...@googlegroups.com [mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Lionel Laské
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:07 AM
To: Sugar-dev Devel ; iaep 
; unleashk...@googlegroups.com; OLPC Devel 

Subject: [UKids] [Announcement] Sugarizer v0.7 is available for your device

 

Hi all,

 

I'm proud to announce the seven version (0.7) of Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar 
for any device. 

 

http://sugarizer.org

 

This version is mainly focus on activities, so you could find not less than 8 
new/improved activities in this version:

* Paint activity: this famous drawing activity include everything you 
could expect: change size, pen/fill color, a set of stamps, text font, 
templates, … Plus it's fully compliant with presence so multiple user could 
draw at the same time on different devices.

* Memorize activity: play to the memory game with letters, sum or 
sounds or create your own memory game like you're doing today on Sugar. Here 
also, play with your friend through the network.

* Calculate activity: a fully functional calculator with basic 
arithmetic operations but also trigonometry function, base handling and event 
graphical capacity.

* Record activity: Once again a "must have" activity. From your 
browser, tablet or smartphone, take a picture, a video or audio and share it 
with your friends.

* Physics activity: A JavaScript port of the famous Sugar Physics 
activity. Simulate effect of gravity using a set of forms (circle, square, 
triangle, …) and move your device to bring it the scene to life depending of 
the device orientation.

* Labyrinth activity: Mindmap and organize your ideas with this web 
version of the Sugar Labyrinth activity. Format and change each item color, 
size or font and export it in a printable image. 

* KA View activity: Browse and play directly into Sugarizer more than 
500 of the famous Khan Academy videos in English, Spanish and French. 

* TurtleJS activity: Command without limit your Logo-inspired graphical 
"turtle" in this reinvented version of the famous TurtleArt activity.  

 

As usual, Sugarizer 0.7 is available on your browser but also for your Android 
or iOS device. Download it from : Google Play [1], Amazon Store [2], Apple 
Store [3], Chrome Web Store [4], F-droid [5] and if you don't like stores, you 
could also install it by yourself using instructions in the Sugarizer readme 
file.

 

Sugar on any device is not the future, it's now ! Join us to spread the world 
with Sugar !

 

   Lionel.

 

P.S.: Special thanks for their huge contribution on this version to Michaël 
Ohayon (Paint, Memorize, Record and Calculate activities), Walter Bender 
(TurtleJS activity) and Piotr Antosz - GCI student (new web site).

 

[1]   
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.olpc_france.sugarizer

[2]   
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NKK7PZA

[3]   
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sugarizer/id978495303

[4]  

 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sugarizer/omfgclgehghdlloggibhgicnlldjiboo

[5]   
https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.olpc_france.sugarizer

 

 

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[IAEP] browse page width

2015-11-11 Thread Tim Moody 
What is the best width for an html page that will only be seen on an xo-1?  I'm 
at 960 px, but it's a little narrow.

 

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [IIAB] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: Taking OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

2015-06-21 Thread Tim Moody 
I agree on the VM.  I use VBox and usually give it 1G.  I have started giving 
100G of disk because it only takes what it needs.

 

I haven't gotten into vagrant, so I just create a 'Base' VM and then clone it, 
which takes about 2 minutes.  I put minimal fedora (I have both 21 and 22) plus 
my keys, git, nano, wget, ansible, and mkdir /opt/schoolserver into the base.

 

Now I just have to clone the vm, clone the xsce repo and either 
./install-console or ./runansible.  I usually save this VM too, for future 
cloning to do tests.

 

From: support-gang [mailto:support-gang-boun...@lists.laptop.org] On Behalf Of 
Anish Mangal
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:53 PM
To: Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Cc: xsce-devel; Internet In a Box Working Group; Braddock Gaskill; Unleash 
Kids!; Jaakko Helleranta; server-devel; iaep; Community Support Volunteers -- 
who help respond to help AT laptop.org
Subject: Re: [support-gang] [IIAB] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: Taking OpenStreetMap 
Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

 

I guess a VM using a single core and 512 MB or 1GB RAM would be a reasonable 
starting point. A Rpi-2 would be great as well. You could just test from the 
latest master branch, and it *should* work. Currently, a role called 'Pathagar' 
is broken, so you may have to disable installing it in vars/default_vars.yml 
when you give it a go. 

Is using a VM, I often tend to use vagrant. You can use a fedora 21/22 minimal 
or centos minimal image. 

This is the image I used for testing my XSCE install, where things went 
smoothly - 
https://github.com/holms/vagrant-centos7-box/releases/download/7.1.1503.001/CentOS-7.1.1503-x86_64-netboot.box

If using centOS you will need to enable the epel repo - yum install epel-release

 

Hope this helps. 

Best,

Anish

 

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer gagno...@gmail.com 
mailto:gagno...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi all

 

I wanted to do some testing of the search solutions on some kind of 
hardware/software that would look similar to what will be deployed in the field 
(to measure the performance impact).

 

Got this idea from this post where : 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/34857

 

Should I be testing with XSCE 5.1? XSCE 5.5 beta? Should I get some hardware 
like a Pi2, or just get some VM? Any VM recommendation?

 

Thanks

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com 
mailto:t...@timmoody.com  wrote:

Thanks, this is very useful information.  I didn't realize that slippy maps is 
a strategy and leaflet is a library for it that OSM itself uses.

 

A few questions.

 

Which of the filtered datasets did you use for populated places? 

 

Are they from 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm#Country_and_area_extracts ?

 

Is the directory structure such that separately rendered tiles for different 
regions can be merged by over-copying?

 

I did some sampling.

 

In Manhattan the maximum zoom is  http://xsce/iiab/maps/tile/15/9649/12318.png 
so level 15 (16th)

 

In Northern Ontario the maximum zoom is 
http://xsce/iiab/maps/tile/13/2048/2704.png level 13 (14th)

 

In the middle of the North Pacific http://xsce/iiab/maps/tile/14/1088/6190.png 
a surprising level 14

 

Moving slightly left I get http://xsce/iiab/maps/tile/14/1080/6191.png so I'm 
not quite clear on the generic blue tile point.

 

I'm also not clear on the point about the meta tiles.  From what I read in 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Meta_tiles , meta files just concatenate the 
smaller tiles, so I'm not clear on how that saves space.  I do understand that 
it greatly reduces the number of nodes in the file system making retrieving 
them viable.

 

I looked at space usage by zoom level on the current IIAB OSM:

 


Level

Size (in K)

Cumulative (in K)

Cumulative (in G)



0

60

60

0


1

84

144

0


2

152

296

0


3

300

596

0


4

1,004

1,600

0


5

2,800

4,400

0


6

9,064

13,464

0


7

26,328

39,792

0


8

86,280

126,072

0


9

255,576

381,648

0


10

859,540

1,241,188

1


11

2,233,136

3,474,324

3


12

5,905,172

9,379,496

9


13

17,480,260

26,859,756

27


14

43,947,380

70,807,136

71


15

35,454,488

106,261,624

106

 

So 10G gets 13 levels.

 

 

From: unleashk...@googlegroups.com mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Braddock Gaskill
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:39 PM
To: Internet In a Box Working Group
Cc: xsce-devel; Unleash Kids!; Jaakko Helleranta; server-devel; iaep; Community 
Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT laptop.org 
http://laptop.org 
Subject: Re: [IIAB] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap 
Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

 

In IIAB we use a dataset of populated places to render at the highest 
resolution level, and render the rest of the world at a slightly lower 
resolution

Re: [IAEP] [IIAB] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

2015-06-17 Thread Tim Moody 
Thanks, this is very useful information.  I didn't realize that slippy maps is 
a strategy and leaflet is a library for it that OSM itself uses.

 

A few questions.

 

Which of the filtered datasets did you use for populated places? 

 

Are they from 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm#Country_and_area_extracts ?

 

Is the directory structure such that separately rendered tiles for different 
regions can be merged by over-copying?

 

I did some sampling.

 

In Manhattan the maximum zoom is  http://xsce/iiab/maps/tile/15/9649/12318.png 
so level 15 (16th)

 

In Northern Ontario the maximum zoom is 
http://xsce/iiab/maps/tile/13/2048/2704.png level 13 (14th)

 

In the middle of the North Pacific http://xsce/iiab/maps/tile/14/1088/6190.png 
a surprising level 14

 

Moving slightly left I get http://xsce/iiab/maps/tile/14/1080/6191.png so I'm 
not quite clear on the generic blue tile point.

 

I'm also not clear on the point about the meta tiles.  From what I read in 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Meta_tiles , meta files just concatenate the 
smaller tiles, so I'm not clear on how that saves space.  I do understand that 
it greatly reduces the number of nodes in the file system making retrieving 
them viable.

 

I looked at space usage by zoom level on the current IIAB OSM:

 


Level

Size (in K)

Cumulative (in K)

Cumulative (in G)



0

60

60

0


1

84

144

0


2

152

296

0


3

300

596

0


4

1,004

1,600

0


5

2,800

4,400

0


6

9,064

13,464

0


7

26,328

39,792

0


8

86,280

126,072

0


9

255,576

381,648

0


10

859,540

1,241,188

1


11

2,233,136

3,474,324

3


12

5,905,172

9,379,496

9


13

17,480,260

26,859,756

27


14

43,947,380

70,807,136

71


15

35,454,488

106,261,624

106

 

So 10G gets 13 levels.

 

 

From: unleashk...@googlegroups.com [mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Braddock Gaskill
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:39 PM
To: Internet In a Box Working Group
Cc: xsce-devel; Unleash Kids!; Jaakko Helleranta; server-devel; iaep; Community 
Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT laptop.org
Subject: Re: [IIAB] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap 
Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

 

In IIAB we use a dataset of populated places to render at the highest 
resolution level, and render the rest of the world at a slightly lower 
resolution.  Our highest resolution is high enough to see individual buildings. 
 Our total dataset of rendered tiles for the world with detailed populated 
places coverage is 100GB.

 

Another optimization we made for IIAB that contributed considerable dataset 
size reduction and helped with filesystem efficiency - we use the OSM meta 
tiles, which normally store 64 tile png images, but we modify them to store 
4096 png images per file, and we made an optimization so that identical tiles 
are removed (think of all the blue of the ocean cover 75% of the earth).

 

We use Leaflet as our javascript web front end, and it works quite well.

 

-braddock

 

 

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Nick Doiron ndoi...@mapmeld.com 
mailto:ndoi...@mapmeld.com  wrote:

I don't think there's any technical issues with rendering the world at 10 and 
specific countries at 16, other than the human knowing where they can and 
cannot zoom

 

-- Nick

 

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com 
mailto:t...@timmoody.com  wrote:

couple of observations:

 

As expected, the new tiles have a lot more detail.

 

There are more levels of zoom in the new ones.

 

Some names have changed - the old map had Lalitpur and the new one has Patan 
(both are used)

 

I don't see any boxes for unprintable characters, but there is a lot less 
Devanagari. (Google maps has more)

 

Is it possible to merge individually generated regional tiles?  for example if 
you rendered India and Nepal separately would you get both?

 

What happens if you render the world at level 10 and then specific countries at 
16?

 

From: xsce-de...@googlegroups.com mailto:xsce-de...@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:xsce-de...@googlegroups.com mailto:xsce-de...@googlegroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Anish Mangal
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:06 PM
To: Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Cc: xsce-devel; Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT 
laptop.org http://laptop.org ; Unleash Kids!; server-devel; iaep; Internet In 
a Box Working Group; Jaakko Helleranta
Subject: Re: [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline 
- DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

 

Hi,

Following from the skype call this week, I uploaded Nepal's OSM data in 
postgres and render tiles to see performance, and as expected, everything is 
blazing fast. 

The pbf file went into the postgress in less than 5 minutes, and tiles are 
being rendered pretty fast as well.

You can check it yourself by going to 
http://home.braddock.com:28112/osm

Re: [IAEP] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking, OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

2015-06-15 Thread Tim Moody 
 - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT /
2PM UTC (Nick Doiron)


 --

 Message: 1
 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 23:24:11 -0700
 From: Nick Doiron ndoi...@mapmeld.com
 To: xsce-de...@googlegroups.com
 Cc: Internet In a Box Working Group i...@sgvhak.org,Unleash Kids!
   unleashk...@googlegroups.com, J?r?me Gagnon-Voyer
   gagno...@gmail.com,   Jaakko Helleranta jaa...@helleranta.com,
   server-devel server-de...@lists.laptop.org,   iaep
   iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Community Support Volunteers -- who 
 help
   respond to help AT  laptop.org support-g...@lists.laptop.org
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 I don't think there's any technical issues with rendering the world at 10
 and specific countries at 16, other than the human knowing where they can
 and cannot zoom

 -- Nick

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote:

 couple of observations:



 As expected, the new tiles have a lot more detail.



 There are more levels of zoom in the new ones.



 Some names have changed - the old map had Lalitpur and the new one has
 Patan (both are used)



 I don't see any boxes for unprintable characters, but there is a lot less
 Devanagari. (Google maps has more)



 Is it possible to merge individually generated regional tiles?  for
 example if you rendered India and Nepal separately would you get both?



 What happens if you render the world at level 10 and then specific
 countries at 16?



 *From:* xsce-de...@googlegroups.com [mailto:xsce-de...@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Anish Mangal
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:06 PM
 *To:* J?r?me Gagnon-Voyer
 *Cc:* xsce-devel; Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to
 help AT laptop.org; Unleash Kids!; server-devel; iaep; Internet In a Box
 Working Group; Jaakko Helleranta
 *Subject:* Re: [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap
 Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC



 Hi,

 Following from the skype call this week, I uploaded Nepal's OSM data in
 postgres and render tiles to see performance, and as expected, everything
 is blazing fast.

 The pbf file went into the postgress in less than 5 minutes, and tiles are
 being rendered pretty fast as well.

 You can check it yourself by going to
 http://home.braddock.com:28112/osm/slippymap.html

 * Select Mapnik

 * Zoom out and center over Nepal

 * Select Local tiles

 * Zoom in

 I don't know what this proves as the bottleneck still is doing this for
 the entire planet, which we need to figure out a way for anyway.

 Best,

 Anish





 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Anish Mangal anis...@umich.edu wrote:

 Hi J?r?me,

 I incorporated one of your comments; as for the other I think Timm, Nick
 would be better suited for the discussion (python backend v/s frontend js).
 :-)

 Best,

 Anish



 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:22 AM, J?r?me Gagnon-Voyer gagno...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Anish



 Great document. I've added 2 comments to the document, feel free to
 incorporate into the document if that makes sense.



 Also added a TODO for myself to do more research about the various search
 solutions.

 I've used Nominatim in the past (on the client side, not the server
 infrastructure) and it was overall very good, but I'll want to know more
 about the other ones.



 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote:

 Thanks, Anish for an excellent start at getting this down on paper (so to
 speak).  I think this covers things pretty well and gives us the necessary
 hooks on which to hang the details as we begin fleshing out solutions to
 the requirements you documented.



 Under issues I added one point about rendering non-Roman character sets.



 *From:* unleashk...@googlegroups.com [mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com]
 *On Behalf Of *Anish Mangal
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 12:15 PM
 *To:* Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT
 laptop.org
 *Cc:* Unleash Kids!; server-devel; xsce-devel; iaep; Internet In a Box
 Working Group; Jaakko Helleranta
 *Subject:* [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline -
 DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC



 Okay, so I tried to encapsulate whatever we discussed into a design
 document, which can hopefully serve as a base for reaching out to the OSM
 community and to better organize our own thoughts.


 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LWsN-cPH3lvMuXS-f0Tk8IWVh-3X808WoIt0OJ-QNt8/edit#
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LWsN-cPH3lvMuXS-f0Tk8IWVh-3X808WoIt0OJ-QNt8/edit

 Please feel free to edit the information there as I may have missed some
 points, or interpreted them differently than as intended

Re: [IAEP] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

2015-06-14 Thread Tim Moody 
couple of observations:

 

As expected, the new tiles have a lot more detail.

 

There are more levels of zoom in the new ones.

 

Some names have changed - the old map had Lalitpur and the new one has Patan 
(both are used)

 

I don't see any boxes for unprintable characters, but there is a lot less 
Devanagari. (Google maps has more)

 

Is it possible to merge individually generated regional tiles?  for example if 
you rendered India and Nepal separately would you get both?

 

What happens if you render the world at level 10 and then specific countries at 
16?

 

From: xsce-de...@googlegroups.com [mailto:xsce-de...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Anish Mangal
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:06 PM
To: Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Cc: xsce-devel; Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT 
laptop.org; Unleash Kids!; server-devel; iaep; Internet In a Box Working Group; 
Jaakko Helleranta
Subject: Re: [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline 
- DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

 

Hi,

Following from the skype call this week, I uploaded Nepal's OSM data in 
postgres and render tiles to see performance, and as expected, everything is 
blazing fast. 

The pbf file went into the postgress in less than 5 minutes, and tiles are 
being rendered pretty fast as well.

You can check it yourself by going to 
http://home.braddock.com:28112/osm/slippymap.html

* Select Mapnik

* Zoom out and center over Nepal

* Select Local tiles

* Zoom in

I don't know what this proves as the bottleneck still is doing this for the 
entire planet, which we need to figure out a way for anyway.

Best,

Anish

 

 

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Anish Mangal anis...@umich.edu 
mailto:anis...@umich.edu  wrote:

Hi Jérôme,

I incorporated one of your comments; as for the other I think Timm, Nick would 
be better suited for the discussion (python backend v/s frontend js). :-)

Best,

Anish

 

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer gagno...@gmail.com 
mailto:gagno...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi Anish

 

Great document. I've added 2 comments to the document, feel free to incorporate 
into the document if that makes sense.

 

Also added a TODO for myself to do more research about the various search 
solutions. 

I've used Nominatim in the past (on the client side, not the server 
infrastructure) and it was overall very good, but I'll want to know more about 
the other ones.

 

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com 
mailto:t...@timmoody.com  wrote:

Thanks, Anish for an excellent start at getting this down on paper (so to 
speak).  I think this covers things pretty well and gives us the necessary 
hooks on which to hang the details as we begin fleshing out solutions to the 
requirements you documented.

 

Under issues I added one point about rendering non-Roman character sets.

 

From: unleashk...@googlegroups.com mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Anish Mangal
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 12:15 PM
To: Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT laptop.org 
http://laptop.org 
Cc: Unleash Kids!; server-devel; xsce-devel; iaep; Internet In a Box Working 
Group; Jaakko Helleranta
Subject: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call 
- Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

 

Okay, so I tried to encapsulate whatever we discussed into a design document, 
which can hopefully serve as a base for reaching out to the OSM community and 
to better organize our own thoughts. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LWsN-cPH3lvMuXS-f0Tk8IWVh-3X808WoIt0OJ-QNt8/edit#
 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LWsN-cPH3lvMuXS-f0Tk8IWVh-3X808WoIt0OJ-QNt8/edit
 

Please feel free to edit the information there as I may have missed some 
points, or interpreted them differently than as intended. 

Best,

Anish

 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org 
mailto:h...@laptop.org  wrote:

Who's attending http://stateofthemap.us at the UN in NYC this weekend?

Who's most serious about bringing OpenStreetMap's opportunities and rapid 
progress into the hands of the world's offline poor -- kids and all, American 
and Swahili?  Wanna Take This Map Outside, offline and off the grid, where we 
all belong/began?

http://Internet-in-a-Box.org and similar efforts have made a gigantic 1st step: 
in Ghana and Rwanda I could never have imagined better reviews to our 2015 
deployments begun there in recent months.  Many are now changing the game 
increasingly for the Bottom BillionS, among many who've literally never seen a 
globe before, nevermind a map of their own towns.  Both in OLPC (school) 
contexts, in libraries, on Nepali hillsides where folks don't have proper 
homes, and far beyond --- perspectives (literally) are about to change.

But modern phones today contain more than enough gigabytes to display ALL 
OpenStreetMap map detail

Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

2015-06-13 Thread Tim Moody 
Thanks, Anish for an excellent start at getting this down on paper (so to 
speak).  I think this covers things pretty well and gives us the necessary 
hooks on which to hang the details as we begin fleshing out solutions to the 
requirements you documented.

 

Under issues I added one point about rendering non-Roman character sets.

 

From: unleashk...@googlegroups.com [mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Anish Mangal
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 12:15 PM
To: Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT laptop.org
Cc: Unleash Kids!; server-devel; xsce-devel; iaep; Internet In a Box Working 
Group; Jaakko Helleranta
Subject: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call 
- Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

 

Okay, so I tried to encapsulate whatever we discussed into a design document, 
which can hopefully serve as a base for reaching out to the OSM community and 
to better organize our own thoughts. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LWsN-cPH3lvMuXS-f0Tk8IWVh-3X808WoIt0OJ-QNt8/edit#
 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LWsN-cPH3lvMuXS-f0Tk8IWVh-3X808WoIt0OJ-QNt8/edit
 

Please feel free to edit the information there as I may have missed some 
points, or interpreted them differently than as intended. 

Best,

Anish

 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org 
mailto:h...@laptop.org  wrote:

Who's attending http://stateofthemap.us at the UN in NYC this weekend?

Who's most serious about bringing OpenStreetMap's opportunities and rapid 
progress into the hands of the world's offline poor -- kids and all, American 
and Swahili?  Wanna Take This Map Outside, offline and off the grid, where we 
all belong/began?

http://Internet-in-a-Box.org and similar efforts have made a gigantic 1st step: 
in Ghana and Rwanda I could never have imagined better reviews to our 2015 
deployments begun there in recent months.  Many are now changing the game 
increasingly for the Bottom BillionS, among many who've literally never seen a 
globe before, nevermind a map of their own towns.  Both in OLPC (school) 
contexts, in libraries, on Nepali hillsides where folks don't have proper 
homes, and far beyond --- perspectives (literally) are about to change.

But modern phones today contain more than enough gigabytes to display ALL 
OpenStreetMap map detail within most countries, and yet they do not yet, WHY?  
Where are the Khan Academies and KA Lites of OSM (OpenStreetMap) bringing new 
classroom/journalistic rubrics, freeing everyone's brain software to explore 
and document our own communities in our own languages?

Who Will Take The Next Steps?
What engineering middleware, distribution vectors, community/economic models, 
and final field packagings will get us all there  beyond?

Will offline edit-contributions prove impossible, much like with Wikipedia in 
Peru, when offline kids edit overly stale OpenStreetMap/Wikipedia images a year 
before/later?


 

As such the wider OLPC community is hosting a DESIGN Call to bring forward 
ideas across the OpenStreetMap landscape, fertilizing our immediate work with 
school server projects like http://schoolserver.org, http://xsce.org, 
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Education-Li-f-e ETC.  Ministries of Education 
in India elsewhere are watching closely, expressly eager to help if we can 
point the way.  All giving our 2020 Vision questions very practical and 
immediate customers well before 2020, much like Garmin GPS units fed a 
wonderful ecosystem of geo-specific gmapsupp.img offline map files over the 
past decade: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download

That decade's now done: what IS our framework for the coming decade?  Please 
join us if you have strategic/partnership ideas towards making Offline OSM 
Designs happen, Thank You !!

 

10AM New York Time / 2PM UTC

Thursday, June 11th

RSVP with your Skype username, if we are more than 15-20 we'll use an 
industrial conference call system instead!


CONCLUSION: Could OpenStreetMap be the very ultimate in Constructionist 
Learning Projects, replacing OLPC in coming years, on a quickly 
shrinking/endangered but still green-in-parts planet?  Regardless, how to build 
the OLPC Movement's offline/civic learning successes, consciously learning from 
its community infrastructural mistakes?  Nick Doiron (http://mapmeld.com) and 
Anish Mangal (https://in.linkedin.com/in/anishmangal) who've spent years 
thinking about this topic will lead the discussion, agenda is entirely yours!  
OPTIONAL: submit agenda items in advance right here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o6QtzLb6e58YKWqMf_junux2XyBRLFm31un8YLcYslg

 

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