Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 101, Issue 22
>On 24/08/2016
13:00, Tony Anderson wrote:
>What we should be asking is why our early users are
now apparently moving away from Sugar. ...
>.. Is Plan Ceibal still based on Sugar?
Plan Ceibal it is based on Gnome-Ubuntu, or Gnome-Fedora in the
case of old XOs
On the firsts grades they gives Tablets (android), and there are
very Few XO on Children hands , maybe someone with a very very old
XO 1.5 or a newer XO 4.0, but the latest XO 4.0 have Gnome,
ANDROID and Sugar.
LAPTOPS
SPECIFICATIONS and software installed by Plan Ceibal
On 3th grade an more (8 years old and more) they have
"Classmates-compatible", called "Magallanes", and "Positivo BGH"
with an 8, 16 or 32 Gb SSD disk.
The "Magallanes" comes with an icon on the Ubuntu Desktop for
"SUGAR", but very few people uses it, even the teachers,
High-school Teachers (12 years old and more) have
"Classmates-compatible" that comes with a Hard disk with Double
Boot (Windows And Ubuntu).
It is not necessary to say wich O.S. they use...
The children Classmates ("Magallanes") comes with Ubuntu and
Sugar, it is a Sugar with an ICON on the Ubuntu desktop, that can
be used for some sugar activities, not all of them.
In the case of the XO they can use all the Sugar activities
because it comes With Fedora (and gnome)
Plan Ceibal installed on the Ubuntu a "SUGAR ICON" but most of the
programs that can be used in SUgar are installed on the Ubuntu
desktop, except for Turtle-art and the library of plan Ceibal.
For example: Scratch, Dr. Geo, or Etoys comes on the Ubuntu
Desktop.
In the case of the XO 1.5, 1.75 and 4.0 is different, they have a
real SUGAR.
The "Positivo BGH" don't comes with a Sugar Icon. Plan Ceibal
gives it to children of 10 or 11 years old and more.
Paolo Benini
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Montevideo
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Re: [IAEP] [Sur] XOs used in primary elections in Uruguay
On 17/06/2014 16:10, Yama Ploskonka wrote: the use of XO laptops, locally knows as "Ceibalitas" --- The "Ceibalitas" aren't only the XO. "Ceibalitas" is the nickname to the Ceibal's Laptops. (Clasmates, Xo, Tablets, ETc etc, there are 12 different models). On the last elections in Uruguay there was used the "Magallanes" (similar to the classmates), not the XO. http://www.180.com.uy/articulo/40346_El-uso-de-las-ceibalitas-en-las-elecciones-internas. Those Laptops comes with Ubuntu. They were used on the elections for administrative task, not for voting. Ther was many kind of problems , problems with the internet, with the power, and also with the software, but One of the most common problems was human, not technical. normally they have to fill a handwrite form with the votes of each voting location, and the totals and sub-totals sometimes don't match. In the handwrited form those errors don't matter. But in an electronic form the sub-totals has to match, because the computer refuses to close the form if the sub-totals and totals don't match, so you have to re-count all the votes by hand another time, loosing hours and hours. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap
/On 06/11/2013 13:31, Daniel Narvaez wrote:// //You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro?/ -- In Uruguay we have Classmates II (called Magallanes) in some High Schools, that comes with Ubuntu 10.01.3 and Sugar Sweets Distribution (0.94.1), you can download the image here http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/Articulos/Paginas/%C2%BFC%C3%B3mo%20flasheo%20mi%20Magallanes%20MG2%20Ubuntu_.aspx. (hardware http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/Articulos/Paginas/hardware-magallanes-3.aspx and Software http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/Articulos/Paginas/software-magallanes.aspx specifications). In other High schools the children have XO 1.5, 1.75 or 4.0, and in some kindergardens and schools (1st grade) they have OLPC tablets http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/Articulos/Paginas/informacion-de-la-tablet.aspx with Android. By the way: in High Schools there are very few people who uses Sugar, they normally use the Gnome interface, as in primary School, except for a part of the children that still have the XO 1.0 without Gnome. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugestion about the Xos
I have a little suggestion for the hardware developers of the Xos: On the Xo 1.5 the SSD is a removable Micro-SD card. Here in Uruguay they comes with an 8Gb card. A new Micro-SD card of 8 Gb has a value in the market from 10 to 20 dollars. On the XO 1.0 the SSD was welded on the motherboard, that was a very good thing to avoid robberies Maybe in the developed countries this little thing it is very tiny to consider, but here in Uruguay there are lots of junkies that will kill for 10 dollars. Fortunately this info it is not known by all the people, but we know that bad news spreads very fast I'm not sure if the XO 1.75 have a removable micro-sd memory card or it is welded, i've seen pictures on the internet with the two options. On the wiki there is a picture ith the SSD welded: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_1.75_Motherboard But there are other pictures of a motherboard with a micro-sd card: (maybe an earlier version of XO 1.75? http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/5341356965/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/5341355237/in/photostream/ Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XO alumni become code developers
/On 02/12/2012 05:52 p.m., Yama Ploskonka wrote: Kids mostly use School-issued Classmates running Ubuntu nowadays, as XOs are given only to Elementary School kids in UY, and the Classmates are not blocked as the XOs are. / -- In Uruguay, high-school kids have a Classmate (Atom N455) WIth Ubuntu and Sugar. They have an icon to access Sugar on the Ubuntu Desktop. It is a Sugar with Admin access. You can try these image of ubuntu and Sugar on a Normal Laptop , you have to download the image from the website of Ceibal: http://ceibal.edu.uy/Articulos/Paginas/%C2%BFC%C3%B3mo%20flasheo%20mi%20Magallanes%20MG2%20Ubuntu_.aspx Paolo Benini ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Hi Again Mac Folks... Need your help Playing: The Forbidden Education - New Argentinian movie about Education
/On 27/08/2012 10:41 p.m., Caryl Bigenho wrote: I am running Mac OS 10.7.4. When I click on the movie, it opens Parallels and tries to run it in Windows/ -- You Can install VLC media player for Mac OS X, a program that let you see any kind of movie without installing additional codecs: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Mac Folks... Need your help downloading: The Forbidden Education - New Argentinian movie about Education
/On 27/08/2012 02:26 p.m., Caryl Bigenho wrote: but when I try to do a CTRL-Click and choose Download link as... it only downloads a tiny html file... not the movie/ - If you want to download the SD Version (Standard Version of the movie) you can do it using the following links, that are THE REAL LINKS. You can CTRL-CLICK here on this mail and then download link as... There are different servers that you can use to download the movie. - Global 1 http://download.educacionprohibida.iccbroadcast.com/completa/la_educacion_prohibida-completa-480p.mp4 - Europa 2 http://www.libremanuals.net/~fiacomella/completa/la_educacion_prohibida-completa-480p.mp4 - Norteamérica 3 http://educacionprohibida.educatecnia.com/completa/la_educacion_prohibida-completa-480p.mp4 - Norteamérica 4 Location: http://alotoflight.com/educacion/completa/la_educacion_prohibida-completa-480p.mp4 - Norteamérica 5 http://terpolan.com/educacionprohibida/completa/la_educacion_prohibida-completa-480p.mp4 If you use a Download manager you can multiply the speed of the download. I've installed DAP (Download Accelerator Plus http://www.speedbit.com/ ) and I downloaded the movie using 21 different instances for a total of 30 Mbps. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Promoting Pablo Flores to CEO of Activity Central
/On 06/12/2011 03:19 p.m., David Farning wrote: we are promoting Pablo Flores as the new CEO of Activity Central./ Felicitaciones, Pablo! Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [!! SPAM] Re: [Sur] Teaching with computers / Enseniando conComputadoras
/On 19/11/2011 01:08 p.m., Alan Kay wrote: ... I think what we all have quite a bit of difficulty with is doing *packaging* / --- Excellent, I want to learn more about that packaging stuff. ¿it is too difficult to a free software project to do that kind of packaging ??? What kind of people know about packaging? Marketers? Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote
/On 18/11/2011 11:10 a.m., Walter Bender wrote: Is there a social-networking site in your country where the teachers gather?/ --- In Uruguay we have created a Forum http://www.mediagala.com/rap/foro/ so that teachers and volunteers could communicate, but very few teachers enter to that forum asking something and then they left. Currently most of the people on that forum are children. We opened also a social network on http://rapceibal.info/ and we made a group for the teachers http://rapceibal.ning.com/group/rapdocentessecundaria, but with the same result, some teachers came to ask something and they didn't return. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote
/On 18/11/2011 12:39 p.m., Walter Bender wrote: Feedback from children is also important :) Can Sugar developers also join this forum?/ --- Sure! Sugar developers or anyone else that want to talk about de Xo are welcome. The Forum http://www.mediagala.com/rap/foro/viewforum.php?f=20 is mostly in Spanish. For example: In that Forum you can find the children that discovered how to hack http://www.mediagala.com/rap/foro/viewtopic.php?f=20t=752 the Plan Ceibal's XO. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote
/On 18/11/2011 02:43 p.m., Walter Bender wrote: The site seems to be down :( -walter --/ It's very Strange, I can Access the RAP-Ceibal Forum http://www.mediagala.com/rap/ from South America and from Europe,.But some IPs from the U.S. says You don't have permission to access / on this server. The server is hosted in Italy. Paolo Benini montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Austrian documentary about Plan Ceibal
/On 11/11/2011 02:01 p.m., Christoph Derndorfer wrote: ... a 30min documentary about Plan Ceibal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVE1-7ZZOM .. / --- Excellent video! Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Songs Needed for Tam Tam Mini FLOSS Manual
/On 09/11/2011 05:03 p.m., ana.cichero wrote: ... has a collection of songs with tam tam. I think this is his mail ernestobaq...@gmail.com mailto:ernestobaq...@gmail.com/ --- It is Correct, Ana, that is Ernesto's Mailbox ernestobaq...@gmail.com Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2011-10-11
/On 12/10/2011 09:30 a.m., Walter Bender wrote: It would be great to learn a bit more about what other activities run and don't run. / On the MAgallan MG2 (Classmate II) of Plan Ceibal with Ubuntu 10 , Gnome and Sugar, there are some activities that works and others don't work: LOG - YES TERMINAL - YES TURTLE ART - YES PAINT - YES CALCULATOR - YES MEMORIZE - YES DISTANCE - YES PIPPY - YES BROWSE - NO WRITE - NO SCRATCH - NO READ - NO TAM TAM EDIT - NO TAM TAM SYNTH LAB - NO TAM TAM EDIT - NO ETOYS - NO Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2011-10-11
/On 11/10/2011 09:38 p.m., Walter Bender wrote: .. The only activity shipped with Sugar is a very old version of Turtle Art./ Plan Ceibal installed that Sugar 0.87.1, (on Ubuntu 10.04.3) because they didn't Know that TurtleArt Runs on Ubunto+Gnome, they think that running Turtle Art under Sugar is the only Way to install it. It is not my opinion, is what Plan Ceibal said on the official courseware to High school teachers. They teach that to the Professors that uses the Magellan http://rapceibal.ning.com/forum/topics/laptops-para-educacion-media. (that the reason to install Sugar was to run Turtle Art on Ubuntu) I Think they want Turtle Art and Etoys to run on a near future with the Lego robots that They already bought. They also installed under Gnome: Etoys, Geogebra, Tuxpaint, Mathgraph, Python Interpreter, Scratch, OpenOffice, Blender, Pitivi, etc. On the Sugar that is installed on Magellan LAptops http://rapceibal.ning.com/forum/topics/laptops-para-educacion-mediathere are many activities that don't Run at all (I don't know why). Y tried to install many activities and there are a few that runs. BRowse don't Run, for example, (I installed it with a pendrive). Turtle Art (the new one) runs OK, Write also, terminal, and the software update on the control panel. -- In some High School and technical svhools they have The MAgellan both TEachers and Children , but only in the departmente of Canelones (500,000 inhabitants). On the rest of Uruguayan High schools and technical Schools the Children have XO 1.5 (Sugar+Gnome) and the teachers have the MAgellan (Ubuntu+Gnome+Handicapped Sugar) Teachers have a 160 Gb Magellan, and children an 8 Gb SSD Magellan Sorry for my English, I Hope it is almost understandable for you. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2011-10-11
/On 12/10/2011 02:03 a.m., fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: It might be good to include Turtleart with Gnome, in the same way Inkscape, Gnumeric and Abiword work out of the box. Is this practical?/ Yes, it would very practical, but I am only a volunteer, I can not change the Decisions of the responsible of the deployment in Uruguay (Plan Ceibal) On some places they gave Magellan for Teachers and Children, but in most places they gave XO 1.5 to Children and Magellan To teachers. The XO 1.5 that they gave to high schools children has Sugar 0.88 an Gnome with Gnumeric, Inkscape, Abiword, Geogebra, Jclic, Mathgraph, Blender, Pitivi, Audacity, etc etc. But the teachers of those children have a Magellan With Ubuntu. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] La Magallanes MG2 tiene acelerómetros.. ¿como los podemos usar?
/On 10/10/2011 04:04 a.m., Chris Leonard wrote: ¿Se puede probar el proyecto eToys (en los enlaces de abajo) en una de esas máquinas?/ I tried that example of Etoys http://squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=11173 , but the script doesn't find the accelerometer. The error said:/An error has occurred in read of Accelerometer./ On this Computer I don't have the device called /sys/devices/platform/lis3lv02d/position I don't Know where can I look the accelerometer I Zipped the whole /sys/devices/ directory here: http://mediagala.com/borrar/devices-magallanes_MG2.zip Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] La Magallanes MG2 tiene acelerómetros.. ¿como los podemos usar?
Me Acabo de enterar de que las MAgallanes MG2 del Plan Ceibal en Uruguay tienen acelerómetros, lo probé instalado el Algadoo http://www.algodoo.com/wiki/Download, un software para simular mundos en 2D: http://www.taringa.net/posts/animaciones/5886212/Algoodo-un-programa-muy-divertido.html Leí en un mail de Bert Freudenberg que estaba modificando Etoys para trabajar con los acelerómetros de las XO 1.75. Estaría muy bueno si al Etoys también le funcionan los acelerómetros en la Magallanes MG2 http://rapceibal.ning.com/forum/topics/laptops-para-educacion-media (es una Classmate II FAbricada en Portugal) LAs Magallanes las tiene los chicos de Liceo, de 12 a 15 años de edad, y vienen con Ubuntu. Trae instalada Etoys, Mathgraph, Geogebra, Tux PAint y Sugar con TurtleArt Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Riots in La Paz: Bolivians don't want Classmates, no no no!
/On 29/09/2011 12:31 a.m., Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: FOSS people have liberated many Classmates. / For what I Know You don't have to liberate a Classmate. In Uruguay on 2010 Plan Ceibal bought 18.000 Classmates II http://rapceibal.ning.com/forum/topics/laptops-para-educacion-media (called Magallanes, for high schools), and you don't have to liberate anything, they are machines that you can install what you want, or boot with a pendrive, like a normal Computer. The software that comes now is Ubuntu (with admin access), with Etoys, , GEogebra, MAthGraph32, Tuxpaint and a Sugar that can only runs TurtleArt. Those machines are almost identical to the Classmates II of Argentina http://www.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/sin-categoria/exo-x352x355/, where children can install anything Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [somos-azucar] Cursos Creados Por Mentores y PorVoluntarios
Carlos: Please, don't bother the programmers: they are busy doing new versions .. new things.. ..they have a lot of (unpaid) work. Don't bother them with less important things like Education, Children.., Teachers, .. etc etc... Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [somos-azucar] Cursos Creados Por Mentores y PorVoluntarios
Chris: I apologize for my message, but sometimes i have a little man inside me that wants to shout. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Turn your frequency generator into a super powerful mosquito repeller
/James Cameron wrote: Is there any evidence base for repelling mosquitos using low frequency sound? --/ There is an Article that says that the experiments done with low and high frecuencies failed: http://bugjammer.com/reports/coro/index.htm /Another type of electronic mosquito repeller is claimed to mimic perfectly the sound of dragon-flies, natural enemies of mosquitoes. In this case Schreiber et al (1991) measured that the frequency emitted was 30 Hz, much lower than the minimum frequency reported for the mosquito wing beat (Clements 1999). Schreiber et al (1991) with field and laboratory tests in Florida and Curtis (1994) with laboratory trials in London, England also_* report negative results of this device *_in eliciting a repellent effect on mosquito females. /Paolo Benini Montevideo/ / ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Licitación Ceibal
Bienvenido al club, Yamandú ! Welcomo to the club, YAmndú! Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] ... then stop making Sugar for schools and give it to likeminded parents
/Nicholas Doiron wrote: Plan Ceibal is becoming more and more open to different platforms, including (less innovative) Intel Classmates and Kindles. --/ That is another big issue here in Uruguay: Plan Ceibal is not married with Sugar. If the teachers find Sugar too different... it doesn't matter if Sugar is the best of the world You can not go against the teachers. Like Nicholas said, You can argue that Sugar is the best of the best of the best, but if the users says another thing, you can not simply say the people are wrong, even if they are wrong. In Uruguay In the department of Canelones (500,000 inhabitants) the Plan Ceibal is giving ClassMAtes II http://rapceibal.ning.com/forum/topics/laptops-para-educacion-media?xg_source=activity (called Magalhães MG2, made in Portugal) to the children of the normal High schools and technical high-schools, And they are giving Olidata JUmPC http://www.olidata.cl/index.php/netbook_web/show/id/10 to all the teachers in primary school. They changed the XO-1 by the Olidata, but only for the teachers. The classmates comes with Linux Metasys, *with no Sugar.* And the Olidata COmes with a SoaS Version of Sugar. --- *_My Point is_* _that Sugar HAS to approach the needs of the people, even if those needs are wrong, or silly._ It's difficult to change the mind of the humans, if you change a little at a time, you can make a big change. But If I pretend a big change in a few years.. maybe the rope could breaks. An Example: Suppose that the the journal is the best: Ok, I Agree, but I can not impose to the people that system in sow few years of change. Maybe I have to put the Journal, but something else that is similar to the other wrong system (the folders, for example), so the people accept the Journal. And maybe in a few Years you can eliminate those wrong systems Paolo Benini Montevideo /Nicholas Doiron wrote: Caryl, Mikus et al: These attitudes toward Sugar should not surprise us, especially anyone who has worked with XOs in Uruguay or the USA. When teachers find Linux programs such as TuxPaint, they cannot interact with the Journal and cannot save at all on Uruguay's unrooted Sugar. This was one thing we heard loud and clear from Flor de Ceibo and other volunteers. Plan Ceibal is becoming more and more open to different platforms, including (less innovative) Intel Classmates and Kindles. For Sugar and OLPC to continue our education ideals and open technology in South America, we need to meet 'realness' needs, too. When the majority of classes are using the Browse activity (did we hear something like 70-80% ? ) it sounds like it would be wise to discuss ChromeOS and browser-based applications, possibly using a modern browser such a Webkit. The more we identify Sugar as an entirely different way of schooling and technology, the harder it gets to incorporate it in conventional schools, using the programs that teachers want to use. If your response is, but teachers don't understand real education!!! then stop making Sugar for schools and give it to likeminded parents. Regards, Nick Doiron / ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [!! SPAM] Re: [Sugar-devel] Olidata computers in Uruguay
/Gary Martin wrote: Uruguay have indeed already purchased 30,000 (!!) of these ---/ It is Correct your information, GAry. On july 2010 Uruguay bought 30,040 Olidata JumPC http://www.olidata.cl/index.php/netbook_web/show/id/10., with 8 Gb of Flash-disk. Here it is the official web page of Ceibal http://www.ceibal.org.uy/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=215:licitacion-publica-no-10652010-catid=52:convocatorias-cerradasItemid=83, with the price of that sell. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Years of beating doors...
/Mikus Grinbergs wrote: .being upset at the existing situation does not help - /// Hi, Mikus: You are write, being upset don't help anybody. I didn't write here on the mails that I am beating doors from 2008... Maybe I am too rushed, And I have to wait. Please, tell how many years do I have to wait more to be upset. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Years of beating doors...
/Mikus Grinbergs wrote: ...if you learn to do it yourself, as many years as it takes you to learn. If you are waiting for Sugar/OLPC to change, possibly years without end. ---/ Hi, Mikus: MAybe you don't know that here in Uruguay it is IMPOSSIBLE to me and to anyone else to change ANYTHING of the Sugar of the XO. Only who is in charge of the deployment in Uruguay can change the SUgar of the XO. Only plan ceibal can change the Sugar. That is another complaint that we made for years and Years, and nobody said NOTHING. It is about the GLP Licence of the SUgar: the licence don't permit to do the things that are doing here in Uruguay. PLan CEIBAL don't let the owner of the XO to modify nothing on those XO, we don't have the root password, we can't modify anything of the Sugar. That thing it's AGAINST free software, AGAINST GPL licence, But the plan ceibal do not care I know your next anwer, Mikus: YOur answer will be: it is not OLPC problem, it is a problem of Uruguay and Plan Ceibal, solve by yourselves. No, it is not olnly a problem of Uruguay, it is not only a problem thousand of miles away, it is a problem that someone BROKED the GPL Licence of sugar, so it is a problem that concerns Sugarlabs and OLPC also. Paolo Benini Montevideo / -- Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Please, tell how many years do I have to wait more to be upset. All I can do is tell you where I come from : I heard about the OLPC in 2007 and had an aha! moment - I saw the OLPC as a way to provide help through technology to improve the lives of the economically disadvantaged. Ever since, I've championed the OLPC as a computer to be used by those who don't have one. [When SugarLabs split off, I told them to their faces what I thought - that their focus seemed to be heading towards an interface to be used by those who already have a computer.] Whenever someone says I want the OLPC to run the same software as a mainstream computer, my response has always been so get a small mainstream computer, and don't bother the OLPC. Especially since netbook prices have come down, it makes no sense to me when someone wants to use an OLPC for mainstream applications - netbooks already run mainstream software, have more processing capability than the OLPC, and are (or will be) cheaper than the OLPC. The two areas where I believe the OLPC is still competitive are survivability and miserliness. I've heard of OLPCs continuing to function in a dusty near-desert environment, where competing systems clogged up and died. And I've heard of OLPCs being usable in locations 40 kilometers from a power line, where the competing systems used up in minutes all the (solar) electricity that had been generated. What makes the OLPC an unsuitable platform for mainstream applications is that it has VERY limited processing power, and not much storage, either. That does not mean that I myself cannot run such applications -- but I would not expect a non-enthusiast to be happy with what the off-the-shelf OLPC can deliver. I myself use a permanent SD card in every one of my XOs. As well as data, that card stores Activities (some 250 on-line), Linux multimedia applications, additional software (Java, Adobe, many Browsers, a whole Geographic Information System, etc.) -- plus a swap partition (meaning programs in the XO rarely run out of memory). To show that it can be done, I've even run distributed-processing crunchers on my XOs (some 38 times slower on the XO-1 than on my big Linux workstation). My criterion for how good is the video is YouTube, and always has been. On the XO-1 YouTube is watchable, but it is a slideshow (with pauses between each image). On the XO-1.5, some YouTube clips have smooth motion (at the lowest resolution), others are jerky. With movies on a storage device accessible by the XO, I almost always (using MPlayer) have good video and audio reproduction. [I've installed on my XOs all the LinuxWindows codecs I could find.] My answer to the question How many years to wait until something gets accomplished? -- if you learn to do it yourself, as many years as it takes you to learn. If you are waiting for Sugar/OLPC to change, possibly years without end. mikus / ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Concrete feedback
/Christoph Derndorfer wrote: since Plan Ceibal is only in the progress of upgrading machines from 0.82 to 0.88 this could explain why Paolo is still seeing these issues on an ongoing basis. -/ Yes, we have in Uruguay some XO with Sugar 0.88 and some others with Sugar 0.82, the older one that not has the launch-most-recent by default. I think that in PEru is the same, they all have the old Sugar. Paolo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar
/Kevin Mark wrote: He also talks about using OO4kids with uses a non-sugar dialog box. That should be fixed with a technological solution. --- / Hi, Kevin: The problem that I was Talking about on the other e-mail, is about the Journal, it's really absurd that I am complaining about the same thing for more than three Years and the things are the same like in 2008 Your are saying that the Journal problem is only a technological thing, and you said to solve it only with a technological solution. No. It is not only technological , I don't have to be Einstein to know that if the same problem continues after more 3 or four years, it is not only technical problem. If your are a Car maker, and you make a car that are lack of one wheel, yo can not anwer after 3 years of production /it is a technological thing, someone will solve it/ -- I Am talking about the problem about the incompatibility between the Sugarized programs vs the normal linux programs , like the games that the children wants. There are thousands of programs in Linux that don't uses the JOurnal, so there are useless. The solutions it is not saying /well, sugarize and 'journalize' those programs/. *In 2007 or 2008 that was a good answer, but after 4 years it is only a joke* ANother answers that now sounds like a joke are: /use a pendrive/. or /change the activity by your self/. We heard those answeas years ago I we didn't complain, there was a good answer. but after years and years . It is absurd that the children in Uruguay has to install Wine (a windows emulator) so they can play their games and download the music. It's almost a joke, because the children can install lots and lots of games on Wine, much more games that they can install in Sugar! And in wine they uses the Directory system of the windows, with no problems. It is really absurd to say to Children: /you don't have to download music with wine, use the OGG version of the songs/.. That anwer is really Out of this world, that answer means that the author of the answer never sit down behind a child with an XO. A person that pretends that a Child will use Ogg because is legal.. has his mind in another galaxy. Before talking about Ogg, please see how many songs are in Mp3 and how many in ogg (on the internet) *The people (adults or childre) don't even know that legally they can't hear an MP3* with his Mp3 player, because that 20 dollars Mp3 Player didn't paid the Mp3 Licence! Nobody even knows that the Mp3 format is not free! So it is absurd to tell to a children about usin OGG instead of mp3. *_It is absurd to tell a children to MODIFY A PROGRAM in SUGAR_*.. please - A technical problem that you can not solve in 3 or 4 years.. it s no more technical, the problem is bigger. In 2008 I Heard the same exactly ansewrs like yours, Kevin, answers like /ok, we will solve that technical problem, don't worry/. For example: if all my students don't pass the year... the problem it's not the children.. the problem is the teacher, or the sistem. - I have lots of other complaints , this problem about the JOurnal is only the tip of the iceberg. Sorry for my very bad English thanks Paolo Benini Rap-Ceibal - Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Concrete feedback
/Walter Bender wrote: The eventual transition to GNOME 3.0 and PYGI will make a big difference in our ability to support more interoperability as well. -/ This is a very good news, Thanks, Walter! --- / Walter Bender wrote: In any case, /concrete feedback/ and criticism is welcome. -/ *Concrete Feedback:* The journal is always full of garbage, hundreds of empty entries: *is there a possibility to CLEAN the JOurnal?,* or much better, that the programs won't write empty entries? Empty entry = when a kid opens Browse, and he closes 10 seconds later, it is useless that entry. If the kid uses Write for more than 15 minutes, probably he wrote something useful. For example , If the kid opens Write but he don't write anything, that entry would not be save on the journal. ANother example: Programs that are not well sugarized, they save lots and lots of useless entries on the journal. The problem is not the space, those entries don't occupy nothing. The problem is the amount of entries. _ TOO MUCH INFORMATION = NO INFORMATION_ Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Easter Egg In Moon Activity?
/Caryl Bigenho wrote: the moon ...Lunar Eclipse. It was pink! -/ Hi Caryl: The real color of the moon on a Lunar Eclypse is not Pink. Here it is the true color of the moon during next eclipse of tomorrow 15 of June: http://shadowandsubstance.com/ It's more like brown. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] research report about Plan Ceibal's impact on communities
/Yamaplos . wrote: Does this report have *any* objective data measurement on the use of XOs? ...Or ... data on actual use of XO is based only on interviews? / That Report http://www.observatic.edu.uy/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Informe-Final-CEIBAL-inclusi%C3%B3n-social-Rivoir-Pittaluga.pdf is Based on interviews. Page 22 of the report: /la base de datos estadística de este informe la constituye la ECH que realiza el INE, sin interrupciones, desde el año 1968./ ECH = Encuestas Continuas de Hogares INE = Instituto Nacional de Estadística http://www.ine.gub.uy/ Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [All-edujam2011] Looking for the Animation
/Caryl Bigenho wrote: I am looking for the source of the great multiplication tables animated cartoon -/ HEre is the video: In portuguese: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Yp-QIPw_A With Subtitles in spanish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnrYDObIiAE Paolo Benini ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Printing in Uruguay
/moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote: Shall we take this discussion back onto the mailing lists? / Sorry, I was replying your mails, and not replying to the entire mailing list. The printing Problem is one of the issues that we are talking from 2008, and a lot of people wrote about it, but nothing practical was decided. - I Know that printing is not necessary, but teachers ask us how to print. May be in 50 years nobody will print , but now is a issue that maybe someone can solve-. Mr Mokuraui asked me what he can do to solve that problem. I'm from Uruguay, and here the deployment is monopolized by Plan Ceibal, we (the volunteers) can only change little things, but we can't change big things, like installing something in the school servers, o installing printers, etc etc. That's why it is very difficult for us to try to install something to solve the printing problem. For example: from other countries, many people told us: do that and these, install that thing and this software, and the problem is solved... We can not go inside a school installing or touching thing that belongs to a school!. We are volunteers, that means in legal words: less than a fly. The server on each school is closed in a metal cage like a little fort-knox http://mediagala.com/rap/varios/servidor-ceibal.jpg, nobody can touch the server, and most of the times the server is in a separate room that the computer-room, in the cases that the school have one. -- I Think that the printing problem_* may have two approaches: *_ _the big centralized solution_, or _the little solution in a little school_. the big solution would be that Sugarlabs and/or Plan Ceibal install something in all the schools servers and all the Xos. This solutions does not concern me, but maybe the second ... _*T**he second approach could be to try something in a little school*_, . For example, using the printer that already have a school, with normal computer that already had that school, connected somehow to the Xos, with some software that can print. For example: the first thing that may be done is printing a Write document (made on the XO), and printed using a school printer, connected to a computer with a web-printing software. or something similar. --- At this moment the teachers has a lot of problems printing something, because they have to use a USB penDrive to copy the file, saved in pdf or rtf, then taking the pendrive to someplace and with the fingers crossed she have to hope that on that computer she can open the .odt , o pdf,. or whatever. - Connecting the School Xos with the normal PCs of the Scool it is impossible right now (on the Plan Ceibal Network). The normal Computers can't connect with the ceibal network. The only PCs that connects are SOME teachers laptops and the XOs 1.0 . You need a user and password to connect to the ceibal network, that is made so the people can't steal internet from the schools. -- Possible solution N°1: -*We need a school, that has normal Pcs and one printer *(there are schools that already had computers and printers before OLPC). This is possible (not for all the schools, of couse) -*We need to connect that computer* (the one that has the printer) to the Ceibal NEtwork. This is possible too, (in theory). We need an user and a password from PLan Ceibal to do that. -We also need an* USB Dongle to connect that computer* to the AP of the School. That dongle cost less than U$S 20 (american dollars) -_We need_ a *printer administrator*, a teacher or someone that is paid to do that work. This is the most difficult part because that person will be paid by the Primary School , not by Plan Ceibal. - *We need some web-based software to manage the printer*, and it have to be administrated by the teacher. That software dont' have to be a printer server, because the XOs dont' have the print button, but it could be a software where the children uploads the files and later the teacher authorizes to print. Initially it could be made for .odt files, or jpg, .rtf or pdf, hat is easy to print, and later we can think about printing from Etoys, browse , or other Sugar programs. - _The Things that the volunteers can do:_ -going to a school and help the teachers installing all that stuff. _Things that are very difficult to solve by the volunteers:_ -Have the permission of The Plan Ceibal to connect an external computer to the Ceibal network inside the school. -Have the permission of the Anep (the Primary School) to touch the computers of the school. -Obtain funds to make sustainable the printer: buying the paper for the printer, the ink, and the time of someone (a Teacher, maybe) that will be the printer administrator.
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
/moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote: It is straightforward to share Journal entries between XOs. *..Printing is not necessary.* / Mr. Mokurai: MAybe you are an exprert in Education, and Xo, or SUgar development, or teaching children , but I think that you don't KNow the reality of the XOs here in Uruguay, or somewhere that the teachers uses XO. *Printing is not necessary* is a very good statement , I agree, but for the real people (not the theoretical children) is only a statement, that is almost impossible to apply now. It is like saying The peace is better than the war... is a very good phrase, we all agree, but with that phrase I can not solve the problems of the world. The real world exists, and* in the real world the teachers wants to print.*. that is a fact, and We can not change it. Maybe in 30 Years the mind of the Teachers will change, but not now. MAybe in 30 Years this statement will be true, but now if you told a TEacher that you can't print is the same as saying _don't use the Xo's. You have a XIX century mind. The XO are made for XXII century minds only._.. This is not my opinion, it's simply an observation of the real world that I see that here in Uruguay: _there are a lot of teachers that don't Use the XO_ because of lots of problems that it has (there are also other reasons that are non technical). One of those problems are the printing problem. You said to share the Journal. Excuse me, Mr. Mokurai:_* *_Do you Know that the MEsh doesn't works? Even if you can share something, The XOs hangs up, or loose the entire journal, and the children don't use the journal for important things, that's why the teachers wants to print to have something hardware that works, even if the XO hangs, or the journal fails. I Invite YOu to come to Uruguay to teach us how to share something in a real classroom with real Children . NOrmally if YOu would share something, YOu have to use 30 minutes of an hour-class only for setting up the connections, and interrupting the class every 10 minutes because a child had a disconnection. -- Sorry for my poor English. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay
/James Cameron wrote: XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed. / On the Xo 1.0 of Plan ceibal, With the new versions of Sugar (0.88) http://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132 they disabled the tap-to-click on the touchpad. The Tap-to click worked ok with previous image. (uy802c) --- On the XO 1.5 is different because they came from factory without the tap-to-click , so there's no complain about that, it never existed. (I think that there are some drivers problems) But on the XO 1.0 the feature of tap-to-click was working ok, and now it is disabled (with the new image Dextrose, os1bdxuy.img http://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132, ), I don't Know Why. Paolo Benini RAP-CEIBAL Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] EduJAM day 1 Tour of Uruguay
/David Farning wrote: EduJam started with a bang this morning with visit to the Aurora project inTala, Uruguay. / Here's the blog of the PROYECTO AURORA http://proyecto-aurora.blogspot.com/ in Tala (Uruguay), made by the RAP-CEIBAL http://rapceibal.ning.com/ and the Sociedad de Fomento Rural de Tala https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B6IWJyBwhaXrODk0YTI3ZDEtYjZjOS00NjU1LTkyZTUtOTNjYjBkMDBiNjNkhl=en: *http://proyecto-aurora.blogspot.com/* Paolo Benini RAP-CEIBAL Uruguay ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPLnon-compliance, was Re: GPLv3
/Holger Levsen wrote: are those XOs regularily updated or would it be rather easy to possible create a somewhat lasting jailbreak-application? / The Xo in Uruguay are updated by the user (manually). The user (the child) needs to download the image http://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=3268acdd-d73b-4cbe-a57f-d175898a5765ID=203132 and flash the XO with a pendrive. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3
/Walter Bender wrote: Is there evidence of a violation of the GPL? Are the children of Uruguay are being denied access to Sugar source or the ability to modify it? --/ I can Answer both questions: YES AND YES. The children in Uruguay are being denied the ability to modify the XO Sugar. In Uruguay , If a child ask the Centro Ceibal for a developer key the answer is NO. My answer is not based on somtething that I read on Internet, I heard it with my ears. Paolo Benini Montevideo ** ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3
/Martin Langhoff wrote: ..Yes, but as Walter indicates, I understand it is allowed in newer OSs. / No. In URuguay It is not allowed to have root access (or a developer key) with the new OS Release (dextrose) / //Martin Langhoff wrote: ..Well, that is not correct. You *can* modify Sugar and run your modified version without root. / Sorry, but _*This is not True.*_ You CAN'T modify Sugar on an XO of Plan Ceibal (using the new release, or older OS) Paolo BEnini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Plan Ceibal in Uruguay is violating GPL license
/Bernie Innocenti wrote: ...The new OS is based on Dextrose 1 ... This allows Uruguay to give root access to children without compromising the security system. / This is not true. The new OS in Uruguay don't allow that children can have the root password. Maybe it is a project to the future, that PLan Ceibal wants to put the security sistem on the firmware, but now it dooesn't happens, so the PLan CEIBAL is violating the GPL License (v2, v3 , and all the philosophy of the free software). The security system is on the normal software (SO), so if children has the root password, it compromises the Plan Ceibal Security system. --- * Actually the things are worse indeed: *In Uruguay, we don't have any security system at all, because the PLan ceibal extended to 1.5 years the expiration date Initially was 90 days, but from JAnuary-2011 the expiration date is october-2012, so you can use an XO until that date without problems, and if someones steal an XO, and the XO is blocked on the plan Ceribal, the burglar can Flash the XO again to un-block it (using an old blacklist). why is that? I don't Know, but I can imagine that PLan ceibal has lots of problems with hundreds and hundreds of blocked XO, soy they extended the expiration date to solve the problem. We asked the plan Ceibal the reason for that extended date of expiration, and the answer was quite hilarious.. The official answer of the Plan Ceibal was: _it is a political decision of the directory board._ The original words: fue una resolución política tomada por el Directorio del Centro Ceibal. I Think that the solution of the violation of the GPL License don't comes with the force of justice. In SPanish there is a proverb that says _*sometimes, *__*the medicine is worse than the disease.*_ Paolo Benini Montevideo ** ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3
/Walter Bender wrote: I believe that root access is being provided routinely as part of the current OS upgrade. --/ No, The plan Ceibal don't give the root access neither a developer key for programmers, with the new OS upgrade. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
