Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sean DALY]

Hi Dave, sorry whatever is not in the Marketing mail archive will be in the
Marketing IRC logs, for a while we had momentum of a meeting every week.

It would be far more efficient to do a call (recorded even) and for me to
answer questions.

But really, my advice is to not waste time documenting the 2009-2010
strategy or my 2011-2012 attempts to develop a new one. Start from scratch
- a SWOT analysis and competitive landscape is the starting point.
Translate the SL project objectives into marketing objectives, define a
calendar and metrics. You've stated recruitment objectives, but not a
strategy... execution (facebook + Google AdWords) seems already decided,
which IMHO is putting the cart before the horse, but no big deal.

Sean




On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:59 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi Sean
>
> I am absolutely certain that I have not seen a reply from you
> regarding the email below. If I have missed your reply, please send me
> a link to it on a web archive, or simply resend it as a reply to this
> email :)
>
> On 6 June 2016 at 10:22, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> > On 6 June 2016 at 06:04, Sean DALY  wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>  I developed the Sugar on a Stick strategy in 2009
> >>>
> >>> Where can I read this?
> >>
> >> The Marketing mailing list, 2009
> >
> > I searched the 2009 mailing list for "sean strategy" and didn't find
> anything.
> >
> >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/search?a=1=marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org=sean+strategy=0=0===1y=2009-01-01==relevance
> >
> > I removed the date filter and:
> >
> > I found
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00974.html
> > from 2010 where walter posted a social media strategy from
> > 'rmesquita', and an idea from Sebastian to host a statusnet instance
> > with a sugar skin;
> >
> > I found
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00864.html
> > from 2010 where you said you'd write a strategy for collaboration with
> > OLPCA;
> >
> > I found
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg01515.html
> > from 2011 where you note the absence of OLPC marketing support, and
> > conclude with 3 recommendations, (a) marketing is expensive and we
> > should raise general funds for it, (b) we should have a web forum for
> > teachers and (c) form a committee, and require SLOB to include a
> > portion of educators;
> >
> > and I found
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg01819.html
> > from 2013 where you say there isn't a marketing strategy.
> >
> > Since I could not find the Sugar on a Stick strategy from 2009, please
> > could you?
> >
> > I have added the goals of making a marketing strategy and a social
> > media marketing strategy to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2016_Goals
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sean

I am absolutely certain that I have not seen a reply from you
regarding the email below. If I have missed your reply, please send me
a link to it on a web archive, or simply resend it as a reply to this
email :)

On 6 June 2016 at 10:22, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> On 6 June 2016 at 06:04, Sean DALY  wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
 I developed the Sugar on a Stick strategy in 2009
>>>
>>> Where can I read this?
>>
>> The Marketing mailing list, 2009
>
> I searched the 2009 mailing list for "sean strategy" and didn't find anything.
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/search?a=1=marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org=sean+strategy=0=0===1y=2009-01-01==relevance
>
> I removed the date filter and:
>
> I found 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00974.html
> from 2010 where walter posted a social media strategy from
> 'rmesquita', and an idea from Sebastian to host a statusnet instance
> with a sugar skin;
>
> I found 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00864.html
> from 2010 where you said you'd write a strategy for collaboration with
> OLPCA;
>
> I found 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg01515.html
> from 2011 where you note the absence of OLPC marketing support, and
> conclude with 3 recommendations, (a) marketing is expensive and we
> should raise general funds for it, (b) we should have a web forum for
> teachers and (c) form a committee, and require SLOB to include a
> portion of educators;
>
> and I found 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg01819.html
> from 2013 where you say there isn't a marketing strategy.
>
> Since I could not find the Sugar on a Stick strategy from 2009, please
> could you?
>
> I have added the goals of making a marketing strategy and a social
> media marketing strategy to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2016_Goals



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Laura Vargas 
wrote:

>
>
> 2016-06-09 6:21 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> Laura,
>>
>> Do you know when in November this meeting is? It was not apparent to me
>> looking at the website.
>>
>>
> Walter,
>
> Are you planning to attend?
>

I don't know if I can. I am probably going to be in the region in October
(Turtle Art Day in Caacupe). Another trip might be impossible.

>
>
>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 June 2016 at 10:37, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > First, please let me clarify that the event I'm proposing would take
>>> please
>>> > in Bolivia
>>>
>>> YES! Bolivia!! Sorry about that 'think-o' :) I meant to write Bolivia!!
>>> XD
>>>
>>> > in anticipation to the III Cumbre de Comunicación de las Lenguas
>>> > Indígenas de América.
>>> >
>>> > That said, according to what I wrote on the pad, I am asking any
>>> interested
>>> > party -to assist- to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to fill their personal
>>> > application(s) with the Cumbre"s procdure and then/if accepted and if
>>> in
>>> > need of Travel Funds to assist to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to ask
>>> directly
>>> > to the Trip Advisor Grant Director Walter Bender who might or not
>>> approve
>>> > such request on a one by one basis and according with his Budget
>>> capacity
>>> > for promoting such events.
>>>
>>> I thought SLOB approval is required for all spending, and Walter
>>> doesn't (or no longer has) unilateral spending authority for the
>>> TI-earmarked funds?
>>>
>>> > I'm still waiting on the committee from the Cumbre to confirm our
>>> > -somosazucar - Sugar Labs Perú participation sharing the translation
>>> > experiences of the Manual, the Quechua, the Aymara and the Awajún
>>> > translations, made here in Perú.  We hope to hear from them soon.
>>>
>>> Great!! :D
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
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> IRC kaametza
>
> Happy Learning!
>
>


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Laura Vargas]

2016-06-09 6:21 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :

> Laura,
>
> Do you know when in November this meeting is? It was not apparent to me
> looking at the website.
>
>
Walter,

Are you planning to attend?



> -walter
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> On 8 June 2016 at 10:37, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>> >
>> > First, please let me clarify that the event I'm proposing would take
>> please
>> > in Bolivia
>>
>> YES! Bolivia!! Sorry about that 'think-o' :) I meant to write Bolivia!! XD
>>
>> > in anticipation to the III Cumbre de Comunicación de las Lenguas
>> > Indígenas de América.
>> >
>> > That said, according to what I wrote on the pad, I am asking any
>> interested
>> > party -to assist- to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to fill their personal
>> > application(s) with the Cumbre"s procdure and then/if accepted and if in
>> > need of Travel Funds to assist to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to ask
>> directly
>> > to the Trip Advisor Grant Director Walter Bender who might or not
>> approve
>> > such request on a one by one basis and according with his Budget
>> capacity
>> > for promoting such events.
>>
>> I thought SLOB approval is required for all spending, and Walter
>> doesn't (or no longer has) unilateral spending authority for the
>> TI-earmarked funds?
>>
>> > I'm still waiting on the committee from the Cumbre to confirm our
>> > -somosazucar - Sugar Labs Perú participation sharing the translation
>> > experiences of the Manual, the Quechua, the Aymara and the Awajún
>> > translations, made here in Perú.  We hope to hear from them soon.
>>
>> Great!! :D
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sean DALY]

OK for me, Sameer does this work for you?

Sean


On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 6 June 2016 at 08:30, Sean DALY  wrote:
> > sorry, June 14th is a Tuesday... can't do it the 13th. Starting time
> between
> > 9:30PM and 11PM (UTC+2) OK for me that day
>
> Will 11PM UTC+2 on June 14th work for you?
>
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2016=6=14=21=0=0=179
>
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440=20160614T21=Sugar%20Labs%202016%20Vision%20Proposal%20Hangout
>
> https://plus.google.com/events/c3qn7hksl71offj7jitkjb81aa4
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Laura Vargas]

The Sugar Summit is proposed to take place 3 days ahead of the Cumbre, see
under the "Dates" title:

Dates[edit

 | edit source

]

The Sugar Summit will take place on November 10 to 13 in anticipation to
the Cumbre.


Regards,

2016-06-09 6:25 GMT+08:00 Laura Vargas :

> Yes, it is documented at
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summit/2016-11
>
> "From 14 to 18 of November 2016, in Bolivia will take place the "III
> Cumbre Continental de Comunicación Indígena", a very relevant event for
> indigenous languages that already considers a technical space to talk about
> free software and that takes place every 3 years in a different location
> each time."
>
>
> 2016-06-09 6:21 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> Laura,
>>
>> Do you know when in November this meeting is? It was not apparent to me
>> looking at the website.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 June 2016 at 10:37, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > First, please let me clarify that the event I'm proposing would take
>>> please
>>> > in Bolivia
>>>
>>> YES! Bolivia!! Sorry about that 'think-o' :) I meant to write Bolivia!!
>>> XD
>>>
>>> > in anticipation to the III Cumbre de Comunicación de las Lenguas
>>> > Indígenas de América.
>>> >
>>> > That said, according to what I wrote on the pad, I am asking any
>>> interested
>>> > party -to assist- to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to fill their personal
>>> > application(s) with the Cumbre"s procdure and then/if accepted and if
>>> in
>>> > need of Travel Funds to assist to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to ask
>>> directly
>>> > to the Trip Advisor Grant Director Walter Bender who might or not
>>> approve
>>> > such request on a one by one basis and according with his Budget
>>> capacity
>>> > for promoting such events.
>>>
>>> I thought SLOB approval is required for all spending, and Walter
>>> doesn't (or no longer has) unilateral spending authority for the
>>> TI-earmarked funds?
>>>
>>> > I'm still waiting on the committee from the Cumbre to confirm our
>>> > -somosazucar - Sugar Labs Perú participation sharing the translation
>>> > experiences of the Manual, the Quechua, the Aymara and the Awajún
>>> > translations, made here in Perú.  We hope to hear from them soon.
>>>
>>> Great!! :D
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> IRC kaametza
>
> Happy Learning!
>
>


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Walter Bender]

Laura,

Do you know when in November this meeting is? It was not apparent to me
looking at the website.

-walter

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 8 June 2016 at 10:37, Laura Vargas  wrote:
> >
> > First, please let me clarify that the event I'm proposing would take
> please
> > in Bolivia
>
> YES! Bolivia!! Sorry about that 'think-o' :) I meant to write Bolivia!! XD
>
> > in anticipation to the III Cumbre de Comunicación de las Lenguas
> > Indígenas de América.
> >
> > That said, according to what I wrote on the pad, I am asking any
> interested
> > party -to assist- to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to fill their personal
> > application(s) with the Cumbre"s procdure and then/if accepted and if in
> > need of Travel Funds to assist to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to ask
> directly
> > to the Trip Advisor Grant Director Walter Bender who might or not approve
> > such request on a one by one basis and according with his Budget capacity
> > for promoting such events.
>
> I thought SLOB approval is required for all spending, and Walter
> doesn't (or no longer has) unilateral spending authority for the
> TI-earmarked funds?
>
> > I'm still waiting on the committee from the Cumbre to confirm our
> > -somosazucar - Sugar Labs Perú participation sharing the translation
> > experiences of the Manual, the Quechua, the Aymara and the Awajún
> > translations, made here in Perú.  We hope to hear from them soon.
>
> Great!! :D
>



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 8 June 2016 at 10:37, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
> First, please let me clarify that the event I'm proposing would take please
> in Bolivia

YES! Bolivia!! Sorry about that 'think-o' :) I meant to write Bolivia!! XD

> in anticipation to the III Cumbre de Comunicación de las Lenguas
> Indígenas de América.
>
> That said, according to what I wrote on the pad, I am asking any interested
> party -to assist- to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to fill their personal
> application(s) with the Cumbre"s procdure and then/if accepted and if in
> need of Travel Funds to assist to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to ask directly
> to the Trip Advisor Grant Director Walter Bender who might or not approve
> such request on a one by one basis and according with his Budget capacity
> for promoting such events.

I thought SLOB approval is required for all spending, and Walter
doesn't (or no longer has) unilateral spending authority for the
TI-earmarked funds?

> I'm still waiting on the committee from the Cumbre to confirm our
> -somosazucar - Sugar Labs Perú participation sharing the translation
> experiences of the Manual, the Quechua, the Aymara and the Awajún
> translations, made here in Perú.  We hope to hear from them soon.

Great!! :D
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Laura Vargas]

2016-06-08 23:03 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :

> On 8 June 2016 at 07:33, Walter Bender  wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
> >> > I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why
> we
> >> > need
> >> > them.
> >>
> >> I feel frustrated that no one has seconded this motion.
> >>
> >> The 2 emails below are the reason that I began discussing the
> >> solicitation of donations from members, and having just looked at
> >> Laura's spreadsheet - since the ledger file itself is not yet
> >> available to me - I want to be clear about why I have posted this
> >> motion and hope that it will be seconded and approved.
> >
> > I thought we were still discussing it. I think a number of people have
> made
> > it clear that they don't think an open-ended solicitation is a good idea.
>
> What are the open questions?
>
> >> It seems the general fund has __JUST__ enough resources to pay for the
> >> Translations-Community Manager position this year:
> >>
> >> Last year $9,000 was donated, and as I expect Chris will invoice
> >> $1,000/month for the 8 months of May through December 2016, then it
> >> seems we have $1,000 left in the general fund.
> >
> > It was my understanding that the Trip Advisor funds were paying for the
> i18n
> > manager position.
>
> Do you agree with Laura's suggestion that the TA funds could be used
> to cover a travel bursary to the event in Bogota?
>
> Hi Dave,

First, please let me clarify that the event I'm proposing would take please
in Bolivia, in anticipation to the III Cumbre de Comunicación de las
Lenguas Indígenas de América.

That said, according to what I wrote on the pad, I am asking any interested
party -to assist- to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to fill their personal
application(s) with the Cumbre"s procdure and then/if accepted and if in
need of Travel Funds to assist to the Pre-CumbreSugarSummitt to ask
directly to the Trip Advisor Grant Director Walter Bender who might or not
approve such request on a one by one basis and according with his Budget
capacity for promoting such events.

I'm still waiting on the committee from the Cumbre to confirm our
-somosazucar - Sugar Labs Perú participation sharing the translation
experiences of the Manual, the Quechua, the Aymara and the Awajún
translations, made here in Perú.  We hope to hear from them soon.

Regards and blessings,


Laura V




> >> Where did this $9,000 come from? I guess some is GSOC and GCI mentor
> >> fees. Any other sources?
> >
> > This may include some unspent money from the Gould Grant as well. Cannot
> say
> > for certain.
>
> I guess we need that ledger file :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 8 June 2016 at 07:33, Walter Bender  wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>> > I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
>> > need
>> > them.
>>
>> I feel frustrated that no one has seconded this motion.
>>
>> The 2 emails below are the reason that I began discussing the
>> solicitation of donations from members, and having just looked at
>> Laura's spreadsheet - since the ledger file itself is not yet
>> available to me - I want to be clear about why I have posted this
>> motion and hope that it will be seconded and approved.
>
> I thought we were still discussing it. I think a number of people have made
> it clear that they don't think an open-ended solicitation is a good idea.

What are the open questions?

>> It seems the general fund has __JUST__ enough resources to pay for the
>> Translations-Community Manager position this year:
>>
>> Last year $9,000 was donated, and as I expect Chris will invoice
>> $1,000/month for the 8 months of May through December 2016, then it
>> seems we have $1,000 left in the general fund.
>
> It was my understanding that the Trip Advisor funds were paying for the i18n
> manager position.

Do you agree with Laura's suggestion that the TA funds could be used
to cover a travel bursary to the event in Bogota?

>> Where did this $9,000 come from? I guess some is GSOC and GCI mentor
>> fees. Any other sources?
>
> This may include some unspent money from the Gould Grant as well. Cannot say
> for certain.

I guess we need that ledger file :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
> > I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
> need
> > them.
>
> I feel frustrated that no one has seconded this motion.
>
> The 2 emails below are the reason that I began discussing the
> solicitation of donations from members, and having just looked at
> Laura's spreadsheet - since the ledger file itself is not yet
> available to me - I want to be clear about why I have posted this
> motion and hope that it will be seconded and approved.
>

I thought we were still discussing it. I think a number of people have made
it clear that they don't think an open-ended solicitation is a good idea.

>
> It seems the general fund has __JUST__ enough resources to pay for the
> Translations-Community Manager position this year:
>
> Last year $9,000 was donated, and as I expect Chris will invoice
> $1,000/month for the 8 months of May through December 2016, then it
> seems we have $1,000 left in the general fund.
>

It was my understanding that the Trip Advisor funds were paying for the
i18n manager position.

>
> Where did this $9,000 come from? I guess some is GSOC and GCI mentor
> fees. Any other sources?
>

This may include some unspent money from the Gould Grant as well. Cannot
say for certain.

>
> Last year we spent $700 on trademark registration. When will the next
> renewal be due?
>
> We also spent $550 last year and $825 in 2013 on 'development.' What
> happened, and will we need to spend anything again this year in a
> similar way?
>
> In any case, it seems that there is no budget for a Finance Manager
> office at the moment, nor a Social Media Manager office, not a Sugar
> Summit, unless we start soliciting donations to the general fund.


> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Lionel Laské 
> Date: 7 May 2016 at 13:27
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and
> some open issues to discuss
> To: Adam Holt 
> Cc: iaep , "OLPC para usuarios, docentes,
> voluntarios y administradores" , Sugar-dev
> Devel , SLOBs
> 
>
>
>
> Sorry to be once again the devil's advocate but I think SugarLabs has
> no resource to pay for a Financial Manager. We can't both support the
> cost of a SFC and the cost of a Financial Manager.
>
> I think the job done by SFC and nice reports by Adam and Laura (and
> others) are enough for a small organization - without regular budget -
> like SugarLabs.
> If we need to have a Financial Manager so we need to think seriously
> to exit of SFC.
>
> Best regards from France.
>
>   Lionel.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Laura Vargas 
> Date: 11 May 2016 at 13:35
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and
> some open issues to discuss
> To: Dave Crossland 
> Cc: Chris Leonard , iaep
> , Sugar-dev Devel
> , "OLPC para usuarios, docentes,
> voluntarios y administradores" , SLOBs
> 
>
>
> 2016-05-12 2:08 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :
> > On 11 May 2016 at 14:05, Laura Vargas  wrote:
> >>
> >> there are ~US$65,000 available for planning/distributing among
> activities/teams/projects etc.
> >
> > I think its essential that this be spent in ways that led directly to
> further income, to grow the project.
>
> I agree that there is a need for income strategies as well. Still, the
> idea of annual budget is to plan the expenses so that the most areas
> of an organization can produce results in what they do.
>
> It would be ideal to count with a somehow stable basic income, and
> therefore it would make sense to promote a motion for Lionel's idea of
> a yearly membership fee. Of course it would have to contemplate the
> exemptions of minors and members who actually don't have resources to
> pay.
>
> Been more than 80 members, a yearly fee of US$100 with an estimated
> ~50% of exemptions would put in SL general fund ~US$4.000 per year,
> probably enough for basic operations.
>



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 June 2016 at 08:30, Sean DALY  wrote:
> sorry, June 14th is a Tuesday... can't do it the 13th. Starting time between
> 9:30PM and 11PM (UTC+2) OK for me that day

Will 11PM UTC+2 on June 14th work for you?

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2016=6=14=21=0=0=179

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440=20160614T21=Sugar%20Labs%202016%20Vision%20Proposal%20Hangout

https://plus.google.com/events/c3qn7hksl71offj7jitkjb81aa4
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 12:34, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> Where are the strategic plans for previous years that include Vision,
> Mission, Goals, Objectives and Tasks? :)

I am keen to see these :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we need
> them.

I feel frustrated that no one has seconded this motion.

The 2 emails below are the reason that I began discussing the
solicitation of donations from members, and having just looked at
Laura's spreadsheet - since the ledger file itself is not yet
available to me - I want to be clear about why I have posted this
motion and hope that it will be seconded and approved.

It seems the general fund has __JUST__ enough resources to pay for the
Translations-Community Manager position this year:

Last year $9,000 was donated, and as I expect Chris will invoice
$1,000/month for the 8 months of May through December 2016, then it
seems we have $1,000 left in the general fund.

Where did this $9,000 come from? I guess some is GSOC and GCI mentor
fees. Any other sources?

Last year we spent $700 on trademark registration. When will the next
renewal be due?

We also spent $550 last year and $825 in 2013 on 'development.' What
happened, and will we need to spend anything again this year in a
similar way?

In any case, it seems that there is no budget for a Finance Manager
office at the moment, nor a Social Media Manager office, not a Sugar
Summit, unless we start soliciting donations to the general fund.

Cheers
Dave


-- Forwarded message --
From: Lionel Laské 
Date: 7 May 2016 at 13:27
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and
some open issues to discuss
To: Adam Holt 
Cc: iaep , "OLPC para usuarios, docentes,
voluntarios y administradores" , Sugar-dev
Devel , SLOBs




Sorry to be once again the devil's advocate but I think SugarLabs has
no resource to pay for a Financial Manager. We can't both support the
cost of a SFC and the cost of a Financial Manager.

I think the job done by SFC and nice reports by Adam and Laura (and
others) are enough for a small organization - without regular budget -
like SugarLabs.
If we need to have a Financial Manager so we need to think seriously
to exit of SFC.

Best regards from France.

  Lionel.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Laura Vargas 
Date: 11 May 2016 at 13:35
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and
some open issues to discuss
To: Dave Crossland 
Cc: Chris Leonard , iaep
, Sugar-dev Devel
, "OLPC para usuarios, docentes,
voluntarios y administradores" , SLOBs



2016-05-12 2:08 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :
> On 11 May 2016 at 14:05, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>>
>> there are ~US$65,000 available for planning/distributing among 
>> activities/teams/projects etc.
>
> I think its essential that this be spent in ways that led directly to further 
> income, to grow the project.

I agree that there is a need for income strategies as well. Still, the
idea of annual budget is to plan the expenses so that the most areas
of an organization can produce results in what they do.

It would be ideal to count with a somehow stable basic income, and
therefore it would make sense to promote a motion for Lionel's idea of
a yearly membership fee. Of course it would have to contemplate the
exemptions of minors and members who actually don't have resources to
pay.

Been more than 80 members, a yearly fee of US$100 with an estimated
~50% of exemptions would put in SL general fund ~US$4.000 per year,
probably enough for basic operations.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 June 2016 at 10:15, José Miguel García  wrote:
> On 5 June 2016 at 16:30, Sean DALY  wrote:
>>
>> We need to do a phone call or face-to-face of some type.
>
> Llamadas face-to-face son imposibles para quienes usamos traductores para la
> comunicación.

Mi preferencia es para el correo electrónico y el IRC, porque no hay
un registro histórico que es fácil de buscar (y traducir! :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[José Miguel García]

Hola!

On Jun 4, 2016 2:29 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:

> Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive. Arrangements will be made to
> enable on-line contributions by PayPal, debit or credit card or
> other means. Once the means to make contributions is in place, the
> Financial Manager will initiate and lead the drive. The Sugar Labs web site
> will show progress in donations toward the goal.
>
>


On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
>> need them.
>>
> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and
> finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which
> members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active
> members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you can do
> with general funds.



De acuerdo con Dave y con Walter de hacer recaudación de fondos con un fin
específico. Cumbre es una buena idea.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:
>
>>
>> Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
>> compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
>> through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
>> and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.
>>
>
>
De acuerdo con Sean que es necesario tener clara la visión, objetivos, etc.
antes de salir con una recaudación masiva de fondos.


On 5 June 2016 at 16:30, Sean DALY  wrote:

> We need to do a phone call or face-to-face of some type.


Llamadas face-to-face son imposibles para quienes usamos traductores para
la comunicación.

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2016-06-06 11:30 GMT-03:00 Sean DALY :

> sorry, June 14th is a Tuesday... can't do it the 13th. Starting time
> between 9:30PM and 11PM (UTC+2) OK for me that day
> Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 6 June 2016 at 06:08, Sean DALY  wrote:
>>
>>> I think you mean Monday June 14th, not tomorrow.
>>>
>>
>> What time on June 14th will work for you?
>>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 June 2016 at 06:04, Sean DALY  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>> I developed the Sugar on a Stick strategy in 2009
>>
>> Where can I read this?
>
> The Marketing mailing list, 2009

I searched the 2009 mailing list for "sean strategy" and didn't find anything.

http://www.mail-archive.com/search?a=1=marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org=sean+strategy=0=0===1y=2009-01-01==relevance

I removed the date filter and:

I found 
http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00974.html
from 2010 where walter posted a social media strategy from
'rmesquita', and an idea from Sebastian to host a statusnet instance
with a sugar skin;

I found 
http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00864.html
from 2010 where you said you'd write a strategy for collaboration with
OLPCA;

I found 
http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg01515.html
from 2011 where you note the absence of OLPC marketing support, and
conclude with 3 recommendations, (a) marketing is expensive and we
should raise general funds for it, (b) we should have a web forum for
teachers and (c) form a committee, and require SLOB to include a
portion of educators;

and I found 
http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg01819.html
from 2013 where you say there isn't a marketing strategy.

Since I could not find the Sugar on a Stick strategy from 2009, please
could you?

I have added the goals of making a marketing strategy and a social
media marketing strategy to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2016_Goals
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 June 2016 at 06:08, Sean DALY  wrote:

> I think you mean Monday June 14th, not tomorrow.
>

What time on June 14th will work for you?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sean DALY]

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> I propose Monday at 7pm EST
>


I think you mean Monday June 14th, not tomorrow.

I'm sorry, 1AM is too late for me.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sean DALY]

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Where can I read this?



The Marketing mailing list, 2009
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Laura Vargas]

2016-06-06 12:31 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :

>
> On 5 June 2016 at 22:26, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
>> +1 for a Global Sugar Summit to build our strategic plan.
>>
>> If we can't make it to MIT in October there is another interesting option
>> for November 2016, as in Bolivia will take place the "III Cumbre
>> Continental de Comunicación Indígena", a very relevant event for indigenous
>> languages that already considers a technical space to talk about free
>> software and that takes place every 3 years in a different location each
>> time.
>>
>> http://cumbresdecomunicacionindigena.org/
>>
>> We might not even need to raise funds, as probably this activity will fit
>> within the Trip Advisor grant spirit.
>>
>
> Let's do both! Please create a page at
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summit/2016-11 detailing the event :)
>

Done! ;D

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 22:26, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> +1 for a Global Sugar Summit to build our strategic plan.
>
> If we can't make it to MIT in October there is another interesting option
> for November 2016, as in Bolivia will take place the "III Cumbre
> Continental de Comunicación Indígena", a very relevant event for indigenous
> languages that already considers a technical space to talk about free
> software and that takes place every 3 years in a different location each
> time.
>
> http://cumbresdecomunicacionindigena.org/
>
> We might not even need to raise funds, as probably this activity will fit
> within the Trip Advisor grant spirit.
>

Let's do both! Please create a page at
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summit/2016-11 detailing the event :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Laura Vargas]

2016-06-05 23:48 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>>
 I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
 need them.

>>> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations
>>> and finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out
>>> which members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all
>>> active members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you
>>> can do with general funds.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
>> compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
>> through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
>> and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
> +1. I am in favor of a fund raising effort it is has a clear goal and
> message as to what the funds are for. A fund-raiser to hold a Sugar Summit
> would be a really nice thing, for example. Can we rough out a budget so we
> can set a target for the fund raiser? (An open-ended, non-specific campaign
> smells like Tyranny :P in the spirit of the article you shared with me the
> other day [1]).
>
> I don't know if it is realistic in terms of timing, but doing a Global
> Sugar Summit in conjunction with the Libre Learning Summit [2] being
> organized by Mariah in October at MIT (we already have a venue) would be
> ideal.
>

+1 for a Global Sugar Summit to build our strategic plan.

If we can't make it to MIT in October there is another interesting option
for November 2016, as in Bolivia will take place the "III Cumbre
Continental de Comunicación Indígena", a very relevant event for indigenous
languages that already considers a technical space to talk about free
software and that takes place every 3 years in a different location each
time.

http://cumbresdecomunicacionindigena.org/

We might not even need to raise funds, as probably this activity will fit
within the Trip Advisor grant spirit.


> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm
> [2] www.librelearnlab.org
> 
>
>
>
> --
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> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 16:30, Sean DALY  wrote:

> I developed the Sugar on a Stick strategy in 2009


Where can I read this?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 16:30, Sean DALY  wrote:

> We need to do a phone call or face-to-face of some type.


I propose Monday at 7pm EST

https://plus.google.com/events/c3qn7hksl71offj7jitkjb81aa4

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440=20160613T23=Sugar%20Labs%202016%20Vision%20Proposal%20Hangout
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sean DALY]

Dave - I developed the Sugar on a Stick strategy in 2009 on the basis of
great work by the developers at that time. The rise & fall of that effort
can be painstakingly documented from the lists, but the most efficient way
to do it is in a discussion.

There were some important learnings:
* Some of the tasks that need to be done are drudgery or quite difficult,
and in an all-volunteer project, they don't get done.
* It doesn't work to "assign" tasks to other volunteers, unless they are on
board with why they should do something because somebody else said so.
* Unfortunately, success can bring negatives as well as positives out of
people, and emotions can run high.
* The relationship with OLPC, principal vector of Sugar distribution, can
occasionally drive one nuts.
* Many engineers (bless 'em, this is not an insult) are utterly clueless
about marketing, which has undesirable side effects: underestimation of its
importance, lemonade-stand level of professionalism, even dismissal of its
relevance.

Since 2009, there have been some major changes in the world: the decrease
of laptops and the dominance of tablets in the education market, the
incredible penetration of social media...

I was unable to attend the latest SLOBs meeting, but I read the log with
interest. I agree with Sameer when he says that e-mail and IRC has
limitations which slow down the exchange we need to have on the Vision
topic. We need to do a phone call or face-to-face of some type.

Sean


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[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 10:12, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> The strategic plan for Sugarlabs, which should include Vision, Mission,
> Goals, Objectives and Tasks can not only act as a roadmap (time frame 3 to
> 5 years) but also then justify request for funds for said Tasks. The funds
> can be through a fundraising campaign or grants etc.
>

I agree that drafting a comprehensive strategic plan for Sugar Labs is
important, which is why I have been working on the first level, the Vision.

Where are the strategic plans for previous years that include Vision,
Mission, Goals, Objectives and Tasks? :)

I can only find 2 vision pages on the wiki, the one Lionel created 2 months
ago and Design Team/Vision page that was last updated in 2011

before
I migrated it to the 2016 goals page.

There was no mission page on the wiki, but Sean said that the mission was
what was used at the end of the press releases he sent out over the years,
so I created a wiki page with that text last week
,
and removed
the 'mission' section from the Sugar Labs wiki page

to a new mission proposal page
.

I can only find 2 goals pages on the wiki
,
the one I created last week and the SOAS/Goals page that hasn't been
updated since 2009

.

I can not find any pages with objectives

.

The only tasks page

is
the GCI_2014/Tasks  page.

I also just found Sugar_Labs/Roadmap
 but this hasn't been
updated substantially since 2009

.

Where else should I be looking for these things, other than the wiki?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sameer Verma]

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>
>>> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
>>> need them.
>>>
>> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and
>> finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which
>> members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active
>> members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you can do
>> with general funds.
>
>
>
> Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
> compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
> through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
> and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.
>
>
+1

The strategic plan for Sugarlabs, which should include Vision, Mission,
Goals, Objectives and Tasks can not only act as a roadmap (time frame 3 to
5 years) but also then justify request for funds for said Tasks. The funds
can be through a fundraising campaign or grants etc.

cheers,
Sameer
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Professor, Information Systems
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 04:26, Sean DALY  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>
>>> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
>>> need them.
>>>
>> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and
>> finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which
>> members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active
>> members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you can do
>> with general funds.
>
>
> Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
> compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
> through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
> and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.
>

Do you think this should be done as part of the motion?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sean DALY]

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
>> need them.
>>
> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and
> finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which
> members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active
> members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you can do
> with general funds.



Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:

> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
> need them.
>
To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and
finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which
members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Walter Bender]

I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
need them.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:29 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:

> Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive. Arrangements will be made to
> enable on-line contributions by PayPal, debit or credit card or
> other means. Once the means to make contributions is in place, the
> Financial Manager will initiate and lead the drive. The Sugar Labs web site
> will show progress in donations toward the goal.
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