Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Approach

2016-01-11 Thread Gonzalo Odiard 
+1 to Sam comments.
I think we should ask before implement a digital  tool:
Why X should be done with a computer?
Is better than do it with real paper, pencils, scissors, etc?
Enable anything new?
Scale better?
Can reach more users?

Just my two cent

Gonzalo


On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Sam P.  wrote:

> Hi Samson,
>
> They are interesting in a way, and they seem to have a nice presentation
> editor.  Maybe that could be something to hack with the new collab text
> editor apis?
>
> But I disagree with their approach many ways.  I was chatting with some
> people about this and struggled to see pedagogical use of many of their
> tools:
>
> * "Quickfire" quiz thing - is talking to students hard?  Is it hard to get
> them to pass you an answer on paper?  Well, spend a lot of time setting up
> some computer thing instead!
> * "Discuss" - too hard to get kids to put up hands to discuss something?
> Too hard to get them into groups?  Too hard to "pair share pair" or
> whatever strategy?  Have them talk at each other over the internet, after
> wasting time fussing with tech.
> * "Team Up" - too hard to get them into groups irl?  Too hard to let them
> talk so they can work together?  Too hard to use a normal presentation app
> to make slides?  Use this thing!
>
> Overall, I think this represents an interesting trend in edu tech - making
> normal classroom things digital.  This is a trend that I view as useless
> from my experiences.  These are not useful tools for teachers to teach
> with, it doesn't let the kids make things or research things.  The
> currently successful devices in edu tech seem to be chromebooks - which
> don't add a single thing that is educational.  Instead they have
> collaboration for word processing, slides, etc.  Real tools for making real
> stuff.
>
> Spiral does make me thing about what our approach should be though (hint:
> not like spiral) - making tools for kids to work together and make stuff.
> Tools that teachers can use in their lesson plans.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:08 PM, samson goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Someone tweeted @sugar_labs via twitter, asking if the sugarlabs might be
>> interested in this application. But it seems like she does not know that
>> Sugar Labs has an OS. But the interesting thing is the approach about the
>> application. It will be really good to have something like this as an
>> activity in Sugar OS so it might make work for teachers in school easier.
>> Here is the link to the site http://spiral.ac/r/miB
>>
>> Samson
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Approach

2016-01-11 Thread samson goddy 
Yeah i think i agree with sam on that.  

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:50:08 -0300
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Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP]  Approach

+1 to Sam comments.I think we should ask before implement a digital  tool:Why X 
should be done with a computer?Is better than do it with real paper, pencils, 
scissors, etc? Enable anything new?Scale better? Can reach more users?
Just my two cent
Gonzalo  
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Sam P.  wrote:
Hi Samson,
They are interesting in a way, and they seem to have a nice presentation 
editor.  Maybe that could be something to hack with the new collab text editor 
apis?
But I disagree with their approach many ways.  I was chatting with some people 
about this and struggled to see pedagogical use of many of their tools:
* "Quickfire" quiz thing - is talking to students hard?  Is it hard to get them 
to pass you an answer on paper?  Well, spend a lot of time setting up some 
computer thing instead!* "Discuss" - too hard to get kids to put up hands to 
discuss something?  Too hard to get them into groups?  Too hard to "pair share 
pair" or whatever strategy?  Have them talk at each other over the internet, 
after wasting time fussing with tech.* "Team Up" - too hard to get them into 
groups irl?  Too hard to let them talk so they can work together?  Too hard to 
use a normal presentation app to make slides?  Use this thing!
Overall, I think this represents an interesting trend in edu tech - making 
normal classroom things digital.  This is a trend that I view as useless from 
my experiences.  These are not useful tools for teachers to teach with, it 
doesn't let the kids make things or research things.  The currently successful 
devices in edu tech seem to be chromebooks - which don't add a single thing 
that is educational.  Instead they have collaboration for word processing, 
slides, etc.  Real tools for making real stuff.
Spiral does make me thing about what our approach should be though (hint: not 
like spiral) - making tools for kids to work together and make stuff.  Tools 
that teachers can use in their lesson plans.
Thanks,Sam
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:08 PM, samson goddy  wrote:



Someone tweeted @sugar_labs via twitter, asking if the sugarlabs might be 
interested in this application. But it seems like she does not know that Sugar 
Labs has an OS. But the interesting thing is the approach about the 
application. It will be really good to have something like this as an activity 
in Sugar OS so it might make work for teachers in school easier. Here is the 
link to the site http://spiral.ac/r/miB 

Samson
  

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Approach

2016-01-09 Thread Sam P. 
Hi Samson,

They are interesting in a way, and they seem to have a nice presentation
editor.  Maybe that could be something to hack with the new collab text
editor apis?

But I disagree with their approach many ways.  I was chatting with some
people about this and struggled to see pedagogical use of many of their
tools:

* "Quickfire" quiz thing - is talking to students hard?  Is it hard to get
them to pass you an answer on paper?  Well, spend a lot of time setting up
some computer thing instead!
* "Discuss" - too hard to get kids to put up hands to discuss something?
Too hard to get them into groups?  Too hard to "pair share pair" or
whatever strategy?  Have them talk at each other over the internet, after
wasting time fussing with tech.
* "Team Up" - too hard to get them into groups irl?  Too hard to let them
talk so they can work together?  Too hard to use a normal presentation app
to make slides?  Use this thing!

Overall, I think this represents an interesting trend in edu tech - making
normal classroom things digital.  This is a trend that I view as useless
from my experiences.  These are not useful tools for teachers to teach
with, it doesn't let the kids make things or research things.  The
currently successful devices in edu tech seem to be chromebooks - which
don't add a single thing that is educational.  Instead they have
collaboration for word processing, slides, etc.  Real tools for making real
stuff.

Spiral does make me thing about what our approach should be though (hint:
not like spiral) - making tools for kids to work together and make stuff.
Tools that teachers can use in their lesson plans.

Thanks,
Sam

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:08 PM, samson goddy 
wrote:

> Someone tweeted @sugar_labs via twitter, asking if the sugarlabs might be
> interested in this application. But it seems like she does not know that
> Sugar Labs has an OS. But the interesting thing is the approach about the
> application. It will be really good to have something like this as an
> activity in Sugar OS so it might make work for teachers in school easier.
> Here is the link to the site http://spiral.ac/r/miB
>
> Samson
>
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