Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
I can see kids liking this style Little less evil maybe - without needing to be cute, a little less twisted or at least neutral :) like the one in flight -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:iaep- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary C Martin Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2008 1:39 PM To: Caroline Meeks Cc: iaep Subject: Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar On 8 Dec 2008, at 14:01, Caroline Meeks wrote: I think the Sugar Glider is our cirtter! Jameson, great job finding it and I like your drawing. However, I'd love to see a couple other artists take on Suggie and give us some choices. In one of my other lives I'm a Blender user (3D toon characters was my thing), the lead *EVIL* character in their recent work is very familiar... http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/media-gallery/ (The work is all under the CC 3 attribution license, that includes models/characters etc all available) A few quick spoiler image grabs from their DVD (if you've not seen the BBB movie already) are at the bottom of this email... The movie is available here: http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/ With my 3D hat on, whatever mascot is chosen (I'm on the fence about the actual need), I'd hope to see the character available in a number of poses (pointing, waving, pulling faces, etc) so that it could be used in interesting ways. On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Jameson Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Small, highly adaptable and can quickly cover large distances by gliding. Worth considering if you want to stay with the Sugar name. I have a colleague who can help prepare an SVG logo if needed. You must have missed some discussion: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Suggie_glidie_3.svg But one more logo/mascot proposal may not hurt ;) Regards, Tomeu As the creator of the first sugar glider proposal, I'd welcome counterproposals, and might well vote them up. Also, my proposal was more a mascot than a logo; it is a touch too graphically complex for a logo. If people are interested, I could do a simpler logo which was based on the XO logo, without fingers and eyes - just ears, forehead stripe, wings (phalanges), and tail. The inner X would be softened as with the later versions of my mascot proposal, including in back. Jameson Jameson ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
Hi all, 2008/12/9 Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9 Dec 2008, at 04:05, Jameson Quinn wrote: Just out of curiosity: that is a squirrel, not a possum, right? I mean, it is a rascally rodent, so it would have to be. What is its name? Phew, for once I can wear my other hat as a science teacher and not feel so out of place on this list with all the super IT experts. It's name is *Petaurus breviceps* :-D Frank (Frankie), yea he's a flying squirrel. (It is amazing how hard it is to distinguish the sugar glider from a flying squirrel, given that we are much closer genetically to a squirrel than the sugar glider is.) The Australian sugar glider is a marsupial. Some of you would be curious to know that it has a pouch and is related to the kangaroo and koala, not the mouse or squirrel. If we went for a similar level of quality render as to Frankie, the colour patterning (black ears, black/white face stripes, grey body rather than brown) and face details (pink nose, black eyes) should make a pretty distinct character design, but most people at best, will still just think it's a flying squirrel. Markings are not a big deal .. room for lots of interpretation. All cool and cute! P.S. If there was a general desire to go 3d, I'd be willing to build, render and release the data, but I'd not want to burn the hours until there was some form of consensus on needing a mascot, and some examples of how/where it would be used to good effect. The Sugar UI style is symbolic/abstract, so a good design should leverage that Sugar art direction (i.e 3D realistic or cartoon styles are really too different to fit comfortably in my opinion). I probably got this ball rolling, didnt want it to take up all your time folks. It was just a thought after looking at the styling used for Firefox and Thunderbird. I dread long meetings that rabbit on about the colour of conference bags. Please don't let this stop or distract you all from the bigger mission :-) Regards Roland -- Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has. --Margaret Mead ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Roland Gesthuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, 2008/12/9 Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9 Dec 2008, at 04:05, Jameson Quinn wrote: Just out of curiosity: that is a squirrel, not a possum, right? I mean, it is a rascally rodent, so it would have to be. What is its name? Phew, for once I can wear my other hat as a science teacher and not feel so out of place on this list with all the super IT experts. It's name is Petaurus breviceps :-D Frank (Frankie), yea he's a flying squirrel. (It is amazing how hard it is to distinguish the sugar glider from a flying squirrel, given that we are much closer genetically to a squirrel than the sugar glider is.) The Australian sugar glider is a marsupial. Some of you would be curious to know that it has a pouch and is related to the kangaroo and koala, not the mouse or squirrel. If we went for a similar level of quality render as to Frankie, the colour patterning (black ears, black/white face stripes, grey body rather than brown) and face details (pink nose, black eyes) should make a pretty distinct character design, but most people at best, will still just think it's a flying squirrel. Markings are not a big deal .. room for lots of interpretation. All cool and cute! P.S. If there was a general desire to go 3d, I'd be willing to build, render and release the data, but I'd not want to burn the hours until there was some form of consensus on needing a mascot, and some examples of how/where it would be used to good effect. The Sugar UI style is symbolic/abstract, so a good design should leverage that Sugar art direction (i.e 3D realistic or cartoon styles are really too different to fit comfortably in my opinion). I probably got this ball rolling, didnt want it to take up all your time folks. It was just a thought after looking at the styling used for Firefox and Thunderbird. I dread long meetings that rabbit on about the colour of conference bags. Please don't let this stop or distract you all from the bigger mission :-) On the contrary, this has been a wonderful conversation:) Many people, including yourself, have shared interesting parts of your personalities outside of 'Sugar Developer' over the last few days. A large part of the Sugar Project is the belief that we, as a community, can harness the _passions_ of smart people across the world through the open source development process to create a learning platform which can cost effectively take advantage of recent advances in technology to help kids learn. IAEP is a conversation with a large group of passionate people who have come together to share common interests in education, technology, and helping kids. The same norms and conventions that make a face to face conversation productive and interesting make the IAEP list interesting. david Regards Roland -- Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has. --Margaret Mead ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07.12.2008, at 23:16, Roland Gesthuizen wrote: Just another suggestion, Australia have a native small marsupial called a Sugar Glider. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Glider Small, highly adaptable and can quickly cover large distances by gliding. Worth considering if you want to stay with the Sugar name. I have a colleague who can help prepare an SVG logo if needed. You must have missed some discussion: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Suggie_glidie_3.svg But one more logo/mascot proposal may not hurt ;) Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
Small, highly adaptable and can quickly cover large distances by gliding. Worth considering if you want to stay with the Sugar name. I have a colleague who can help prepare an SVG logo if needed. You must have missed some discussion: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Suggie_glidie_3.svg But one more logo/mascot proposal may not hurt ;) Regards, Tomeu As the creator of the first sugar glider proposal, I'd welcome counterproposals, and might well vote them up. Also, my proposal was more a mascot than a logo; it is a touch too graphically complex for a logo. If people are interested, I could do a simpler logo which was based on the XO logo, without fingers and eyes - just ears, forehead stripe, wings (phalanges), and tail. The inner X would be softened as with the later versions of my mascot proposal, including in back. Jameson Jameson ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
I think the Sugar Glider is our cirtter! Jameson, great job finding it and I like your drawing. However, I'd love to see a couple other artists take on Suggie and give us some choices. On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Jameson Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Small, highly adaptable and can quickly cover large distances by gliding. Worth considering if you want to stay with the Sugar name. I have a colleague who can help prepare an SVG logo if needed. You must have missed some discussion: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Suggie_glidie_3.svg But one more logo/mascot proposal may not hurt ;) Regards, Tomeu As the creator of the first sugar glider proposal, I'd welcome counterproposals, and might well vote them up. Also, my proposal was more a mascot than a logo; it is a touch too graphically complex for a logo. If people are interested, I could do a simpler logo which was based on the XO logo, without fingers and eyes - just ears, forehead stripe, wings (phalanges), and tail. The inner X would be softened as with the later versions of my mascot proposal, including in back. Jameson Jameson ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On 9 Dec 2008, at 04:05, Jameson Quinn wrote: Just out of curiosity: that is a squirrel, not a possum, right? I mean, it is a rascally rodent, so it would have to be. What is its name? Frank (Frankie), yea he's a flying squirrel. (It is amazing how hard it is to distinguish the sugar glider from a flying squirrel, given that we are much closer genetically to a squirrel than the sugar glider is.) If we went for a similar level of quality render as to Frankie, the colour patterning (black ears, black/white face stripes, grey body rather than brown) and face details (pink nose, black eyes) should make a pretty distinct character design, but most people at best, will still just think it's a flying squirrel. Jameson Regards, --Gary P.S. If there was a general desire to go 3d, I'd be willing to build, render and release the data, but I'd not want to burn the hours until there was some form of consensus on needing a mascot, and some examples of how/where it would be used to good effect. The Sugar UI style is symbolic/abstract, so a good design should leverage that Sugar art direction (i.e 3D realistic or cartoon styles are really too different to fit comfortably in my opinion). ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Eben#Tasks: Add Fedora logo to Sugar We've agreed to include the Fedora logo in our Sugar distributions. (Is this an OLPC agreement, or something SugarLabs should be doing in general?) I've added some thoughts to the ticket (Trac #8767) , but I'd like to get some more feedback and finalize a plan so this doesn't become a last-minute problem. ~~~ SugarLabs wants to help distributions ship Sugar but isn't in the distribution business itself. Distributions are free to take the code we release and modify it at will to better suit their interests. Now, if distros want to be able to incorporate their brands in the Sugar UI and would prefer not to have to apply their own patches to every release, we could devise some way for distros to brand their Sugars without patching code. Distro people: what would you like to do regarding branding? Thanks, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 15:34, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Eben#Tasks: Add Fedora logo to Sugar We've agreed to include the Fedora logo in our Sugar distributions. (Is this an OLPC agreement, or something SugarLabs should be doing in general?) I've added some thoughts to the ticket (Trac #8767) , but I'd like to get some more feedback and finalize a plan so this doesn't become a last-minute problem. ~~~ SugarLabs wants to help distributions ship Sugar but isn't in the distribution business itself. Distributions are free to take the code we release and modify it at will to better suit their interests. Now, if distros want to be able to incorporate their brands in the Sugar UI and would prefer not to have to apply their own patches to every release, we could devise some way for distros to brand their Sugars without patching code. Distro people: what would you like to do regarding branding? I'm quite happy with carrying a patch in the ubuntu packages, and I'm sure it would be no problem for debian either. Ubuntu has its logo on the GNOME panel with the Applications menu, so seems equivalent to that. I think it would be good if the Sugar tarball releases carry no specific logo by default (or perhaps a Sugar Labs logo?) with each distro including OLPC patching in their desired logo. That would ensure there is a well documented method to do the patch. Regards Morgan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
I've been pondering how to put this forward. I have not the intention of causing disruption, however I think this subject is very important. I was surprised that our main UI metaphor - a CHILD, the center of activities... a Symbol for Interacting and Sharing... would be restricted for our use as a community movement. Suddendly the XO was more like a DELL logo rather than a child to me. It made me a bit uncomfortable to think OLPC (with its track record of wise community decisions) could tell what I could or could not do with a vanilla sugar system. But now we're expected to embed another Copyrighted, Trademarked logo, that carries no meaning or significance for our target audience, nor any possible use in the user interface. In order to avoid an all out misunderstanding flame, please inform yourself of a similar problem on this Debian Bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 So I think the healthiest thing is for Sugar to make an all out contest for a Sugar Person and/or Mascot for the UI, and refuse any branding requests made by any computer manufacturer or GNU distribution. Another colorful if symbolical solution would be for me to fork sugar (call it Honey) and use the Honey Badger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_badger) as our mascot (its sometimes refered to as Honey Weasel). By the way, I'm deploying largely on non OLPC hardware and not based on fedora quite soon. Really, at least a branch will have to exist for the rest of us? Sebastian 2008/12/6 Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 15:34, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Eben#Tasks: Add Fedora logo to Sugar We've agreed to include the Fedora logo in our Sugar distributions. (Is this an OLPC agreement, or something SugarLabs should be doing in general?) I've added some thoughts to the ticket (Trac #8767) , but I'd like to get some more feedback and finalize a plan so this doesn't become a last-minute problem. ~~~ SugarLabs wants to help distributions ship Sugar but isn't in the distribution business itself. Distributions are free to take the code we release and modify it at will to better suit their interests. Now, if distros want to be able to incorporate their brands in the Sugar UI and would prefer not to have to apply their own patches to every release, we could devise some way for distros to brand their Sugars without patching code. Distro people: what would you like to do regarding branding? I'm quite happy with carrying a patch in the ubuntu packages, and I'm sure it would be no problem for debian either. Ubuntu has its logo on the GNOME panel with the Applications menu, so seems equivalent to that. I think it would be good if the Sugar tarball releases carry no specific logo by default (or perhaps a Sugar Labs logo?) with each distro including OLPC patching in their desired logo. That would ensure there is a well documented method to do the patch. Regards Morgan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Sebastian Silva Iniciativa FuenteLibre http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
