Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-21 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 21 June 2016 at 11:35, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
> Walter is right. Ideas are good. Time coordination is difficult. The hour is
> "precious." Motion B would help clear the logjam at meetings. That is why I
> am proposing it

I am happy you and Seb agree that clearing the logjam at meetings is
needed. I hope more members of the SLOB will publicly consider this
motion.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-21 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 21 June 2016 at 10:47, Walter Bender  wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>> On 4 June 2016 at 11:38, Sebastian Silva 
>> wrote:
>>> El 03/06/16 a las 16:10, Dave Crossland escribió:
>>>
>>> Motion: to agree the following procedure for all future monthly SLOB
>>> meetings: the chair will confirm the meeting meets quorum; the chair will
>>> make any announcements submitted to them before the meeting; the chair will
>>> announce the first motion pending a vote on that day; each present SLOB
>>> member will announce their vote; the chair will announce the outcome of the
>>> motion; the chair will announce the next motion, until all motions are voted
>>> on; the chair will invite everyone attending to an open discussion of any
>>> topic until the meeting ends at the time scheduled.
>
> If I was a SLOB I would support this motion. The passivity of the SLOBs
> is disappointing. It is better to vote and fail, than to linger.
>
> While I appreciate that such a mechanism might be useful in cleaning the
> pipes,

Every meeting that I have attended has had a 'blocked pipe' vibe.

> I think that we really want to take advantage of the meetings for
> discussions. It was my hope that discussion about motions could be largely
> held before hand and discussion of ideas held at the meeting.

Then why would you not second this motion?

The final part of the motion is,

"the chair will invite everyone attending to an open discussion of any
topic until the meeting ends at the time scheduled."

The element of discussions at the meetings is crucial, and I
considered this when I drafted it. The motion ensures that discussions
about motions must have been entirely held before hand, that motions
are voted on, and allows for discussion of ideas at the meeting
following the resolution of all pending motions.

I don't understand your objection, at all :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-21 Thread Caryl Bigenho 
Walter is right. Ideas are good. Time coordination is difficult. The hour is 
"precious." Motion B would help clear the logjam at meetings. That is why I am 
proposing it

Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Sebastian Silva  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> El 21/06/16 a las 09:47, Walter Bender escribió:
>> 
>> While I appreciate that such a mechanism might be useful in cleaning the 
>> pipes, I think that we really want to take advantage of the meetings for 
>> discussions. It was my hope that discussion about motions could be largely 
>> held before hand and discussion of ideas held at the meeting.
>> 
>> -walter
> People could get together on chat half an hour or so before the official 
> meeting starts...
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-21 Thread Sebastian Silva 


El 21/06/16 a las 09:47, Walter Bender escribió:
>
> While I appreciate that such a mechanism might be useful in cleaning
> the pipes, I think that we really want to take advantage of the
> meetings for discussions. It was my hope that discussion about motions
> could be largely held before hand and discussion of ideas held at the
> meeting.
>
> -walter
People could get together on chat half an hour or so before the official
meeting starts...//
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-21 Thread Walter Bender 
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each member of
> SLOB.
>
> On 4 June 2016 at 11:38, Sebastian Silva 
> wrote:
>
>> If I was a SLOB I would support this motion. The passivity of the SLOBs
>> is disappointing. It is better to vote and fail, than to linger.
>>
>> El 03/06/16 a las 16:10, Dave Crossland escribió:
>>
>> Motion: to agree the following procedure for all future monthly SLOB
>> meetings: the chair will confirm the meeting meets quorum; the chair will
>> make any announcements submitted to them before the meeting; the chair will
>> announce the first motion pending a vote on that day; each present SLOB
>> member will announce their vote; the chair will announce the outcome of the
>> motion; the chair will announce the next motion, until all motions are
>> voted on; the chair will invite everyone attending to an open discussion of
>> any topic until the meeting ends at the time scheduled.
>>
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While I appreciate that such a mechanism might be useful in cleaning the
pipes, I think that we really want to take advantage of the meetings for
discussions. It was my hope that discussion about motions could be largely
held before hand and discussion of ideas held at the meeting.

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 3 June 2016 at 17:18, Walter Bender  wrote:

> I'll send the pending motions by email this weekend and see whether or not
> my colleagues respond
>

Please CC the IEAP list.

After the meeting today I went over my email for all emails I received
since the monthly May meeting that were also sent to
sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org and captured all the motions on the Decisions
page:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions

(The four Finance Manager motions need accurate titles)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 3 June 2016 at 17:18, Walter Bender  wrote:

> Nice analogy.
>

I remembered this evening where I heard this; its one of the "Agile"
software development maxims :)

http://martinfowler.com/bliki/FrequencyReducesDifficulty.html

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dalio

http://evan.bottch.com/2010/05/26/continuous-integration-if-something-hurts-do-it-more-often/

https://vinayakjoglekar.wordpress.com/2013/08/28/if-its-painful-do-it-more-often/

https://mlafeldt.github.io/blog/if-it-hurts-do-it-more-often/
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-03 Thread Walter Bender 
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Similar to the way that branching was 'expensive' and slow in old version
> control systems, and newer ones made it fast and cheap; and similar to the
> way that running code was 'expensive' and slow with compiled languages, and
> newer dynamic/scripting languages made it fast and cheap; I think that
> since voting is 'expensive' and slow for SLOBs, and so I would like to see
> a lot more voting happening, so we get some forward momentum.
>

Nice analogy.

I'll send the pending motions by email this weekend and see whether or not
my colleagues respond (but I do think a second to the motion is necessary
before opening a vote).

-walter


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland 
Similar to the way that branching was 'expensive' and slow in old version
control systems, and newer ones made it fast and cheap; and similar to the
way that running code was 'expensive' and slow with compiled languages, and
newer dynamic/scripting languages made it fast and cheap; I think that
since voting is 'expensive' and slow for SLOBs, and so I would like to see
a lot more voting happening, so we get some forward momentum.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-03 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 3 June 2016 at 16:24, Walter Bender  wrote:

> Unless someone seconds the motion, I cannot call for a vote :P


I have made a second motion to make explicit my proposal to discard
seconding.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

2016-06-03 Thread Walter Bender 
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Motion: to agree the following procedure for all future monthly SLOB
> meetings: the chair will confirm the meeting meets quorum; the chair will
> make any announcements submitted to them before the meeting; the chair will
> announce the first motion pending a vote on that day; each present SLOB
> member will announce their vote; the chair will announce the outcome of the
> motion; the chair will announce the next motion, until all motions are
> voted on; the chair will invite everyone attending to an open discussion of
> any topic until the meeting ends at the time scheduled.
>

Unless someone seconds the motion, I cannot call for a vote :P

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