Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.

[Dave Crossland]

On 21 June 2016 at 11:56, Sean DALY  wrote:
> an agreed upon partnership placed under publication embargo. SL wouldn't
> likely need to embargo, but a partner might wish to. This PR-smart approach
> has been transformed by the Internet and social media these past few years,
> but

Similarly, what does that have to do with public motions?

If the board wants to act in private, they don't need to vote on
public motions to do so.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.

[Dave Crossland]

On 21 June 2016 at 11:41, Adam Holt  wrote:
> it's generally a legal/fiduciary responsibility of the Executive Director
> (or similar) to consult privately with the Board in these kinds of
> high-stakes situations -- keeping as many as possible apprised of
> deliberations -- while preserving interim confidentiality wherever and
> whenever necessary to protect the full/strategic interests of 501(c)3 Sugar
> Labs.

What does that have to do with public motions?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.

[Dave Crossland]

On 21 June 2016 at 10:49, Walter Bender  wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>> On 7 June 2016 at 10:00, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>>
>>> Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent
>>> to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.
>
> It is my belief (hope) that the only time a vote is only sent to one list
> rather than both is when there is an oversight by the sender. Vote should be
> public, but if the vote is forwarded to both lists after the fact, it should
> still be valid.

If this motion is reposted and passes, then if a vote is sent only to
SLOBs it will not be valid, but if it is forwarded to both lists after
the fact, it then becomes valid.

Is the motion's process an improvement?

I think so: it adds clarify by ensuring that votes can be counted by members.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Adam

I don't think this is relevant to this motion. Clearly, if such a 
negotiation were to happen, the Board could move to consider the
matter in 'executive session'. In the meantime, there is no reason not 
to make votes public (and the discussion of them in the meetings

which is already public.)

Tony

On 06/21/2016 05:41 PM, Adam Holt wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Dave Crossland > wrote:

Hi

I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each
member of SLOB.

On 7 June 2016 at 10:00, Dave Crossland > wrote:

Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if
they are sent
to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.




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It is my belief (hope) that the only time a vote is only sent to
one list rather than both is when there is an oversight by the
sender. Vote should be public,


Should but not must.

There can be (have been, and might be in future be) times when Sugar 
Labs needs in-the-interim-confidential negotiations with 
billion-dollar sponsor/ally governments and orgs or all kinds.


Naturally merger/acquisition or multimillion-dollar sponsorship 
situations affect almost everyone, who cannot all be at the 
negotiating table, nor can all Board members cannot possibly always agree.


Hence it's generally a legal/fiduciary responsibility of the Executive 
Director (or similar) to consult privately with the Board in these 
kinds of high-stakes situations -- keeping as many as possible 
apprised of deliberations -- while preserving interim confidentiality 
wherever and whenever necessary to protect the full/strategic 
interests of 501(c)3 Sugar Labs.


but if the vote is forwarded to both lists after the fact, it
should still be valid.

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each member of
>> SLOB.
>>
>> On 7 June 2016 at 10:00, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>> Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent
>>> to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
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>>
> It is my belief (hope) that the only time a vote is only sent to one list
> rather than both is when there is an oversight by the sender. Vote should
> be public,
>

Should but not must.

There can be (have been, and might be in future be) times when Sugar Labs
needs in-the-interim-confidential negotiations with billion-dollar
sponsor/ally governments and orgs or all kinds.

Naturally merger/acquisition or multimillion-dollar sponsorship situations
affect almost everyone, who cannot all be at the negotiating table, nor can
all Board members cannot possibly always agree.

Hence it's generally a legal/fiduciary responsibility of the Executive
Director (or similar) to consult privately with the Board in these kinds of
high-stakes situations -- keeping as many as possible apprised of
deliberations -- while preserving interim confidentiality wherever and
whenever necessary to protect the full/strategic interests of 501(c)3 Sugar
Labs.

but if the vote is forwarded to both lists after the fact, it should still
> be valid.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each member of
> SLOB.
>
> On 7 June 2016 at 10:00, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent
>> to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Dave
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>
It is my belief (hope) that the only time a vote is only sent to one list
rather than both is when there is an oversight by the sender. Vote should
be public, but if the vote is forwarded to both lists after the fact, it
should still be valid.

-walter

-- 
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Sugar Labs
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