Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-16 7:42 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :

>
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Walter,
>>
>> I guess my question was not clear. My question is about the procedure to
>> address legal issues to Conservancy.
>>
>> The procedure you (SLOB) follow the first time you want to address
>> Conservancy was to just ask Adam (Sugar Labs rep to SFC) to make a question
>> to Tony.
>>
>> The procedure you (SLOB) follow the second time was to ask SLOBs to
>> approve an answer t (Sugar Labs rep to SFC) to make a question to Tony.
>>
>> I thank in advance to please specify, why do you follow two different
>> procedures for the same process?
>>
>
> Quite simply, in the second exchange, Tony asked for the oversight board
> to give their opinion. Since it was not apparent that we had consensus, I
> used the motion mechanism to confirm that we had a majority agreeing to our
> answer to his question. In both cases, I asked Adam, our liaison, to handle
> the communication with Tony.
>


In my opinion, there was a lack of consensus for the first communication
and there should had been.

Happy SFD.


>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> 2017-09-15 15:59 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Walter,  Adam,

 Am confused here. Why did we not need a motion to make the question to
 Tony in the first place?

 Can you please clarify.

>>>
>>> Tony asked for the opinion of the oversight board to several questions.
>>> I posted those questions several days ago and while a discussion ensued, no
>>> one (except me) actually answered the questions. I chose to make a motion
>>> in order to focus on the questions that Tony had posed and to move things
>>> along since there are several members of the community who have said that
>>> this issue is urgent.
>>>

 Procedure Note: In my opinion such legal related motions should be
 translated to Sugar Labs main users language: Spanish. This takes time but
 needs to be done so that real Sugar users can understand what the Oversight
 is requesting.

>>>
>>> We certainly can discuss this. We'd need some mechanism to execute it.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>

 Regards

 2017-09-15 15:26 GMT-05:00 Martin Dengler :

>
> > On 15 Sep 2017, at 14:13, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > +1 for the motion.
> >
> > @Martin, thanks to wait for all votes or at least the end of voting
> delay.
>
> Sure Lionel - what is the voting delay? I actually was waiting but the
> wiki had been updated already (not by me) so I figured as the wiki had 
> been
> updated and the outcome was not in doubt it was ok to summarize it in an
> email. I agree the delay should govern in the future.
>
> >   Lionel.
>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
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>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
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> 
>



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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Laura Vargas 
wrote:

> Walter,
>
> I guess my question was not clear. My question is about the procedure to
> address legal issues to Conservancy.
>
> The procedure you (SLOB) follow the first time you want to address
> Conservancy was to just ask Adam (Sugar Labs rep to SFC) to make a question
> to Tony.
>
> The procedure you (SLOB) follow the second time was to ask SLOBs to
> approve an answer t (Sugar Labs rep to SFC) to make a question to Tony.
>
> I thank in advance to please specify, why do you follow two different
> procedures for the same process?
>

Quite simply, in the second exchange, Tony asked for the oversight board to
give their opinion. Since it was not apparent that we had consensus, I used
the motion mechanism to confirm that we had a majority agreeing to our
answer to his question. In both cases, I asked Adam, our liaison, to handle
the communication with Tony.

>
> Regards,
>
> Laura
>
> 2017-09-15 15:59 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Walter,  Adam,
>>>
>>> Am confused here. Why did we not need a motion to make the question to
>>> Tony in the first place?
>>>
>>> Can you please clarify.
>>>
>>
>> Tony asked for the opinion of the oversight board to several questions. I
>> posted those questions several days ago and while a discussion ensued, no
>> one (except me) actually answered the questions. I chose to make a motion
>> in order to focus on the questions that Tony had posed and to move things
>> along since there are several members of the community who have said that
>> this issue is urgent.
>>
>>>
>>> Procedure Note: In my opinion such legal related motions should be
>>> translated to Sugar Labs main users language: Spanish. This takes time but
>>> needs to be done so that real Sugar users can understand what the Oversight
>>> is requesting.
>>>
>>
>> We certainly can discuss this. We'd need some mechanism to execute it.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> 2017-09-15 15:26 GMT-05:00 Martin Dengler :
>>>

 > On 15 Sep 2017, at 14:13, Lionel Laské 
 wrote:
 >
 >
 > +1 for the motion.
 >
 > @Martin, thanks to wait for all votes or at least the end of voting
 delay.

 Sure Lionel - what is the voting delay? I actually was waiting but the
 wiki had been updated already (not by me) so I figured as the wiki had been
 updated and the outcome was not in doubt it was ok to summarize it in an
 email. I agree the delay should govern in the future.

 >   Lionel.

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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ L. Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Laura Vargas]

Walter,

I guess my question was not clear. My question is about the procedure to
address legal issues to Conservancy.

The procedure you (SLOB) follow the first time you want to address
Conservancy was to just ask Adam (Sugar Labs rep to SFC) to make a question
to Tony.

The procedure you (SLOB) follow the second time was to ask SLOBs to approve
an answer t (Sugar Labs rep to SFC) to make a question to Tony.

I thank in advance to please specify, why do you follow two different
procedures for the same process?

Regards,

Laura

2017-09-15 15:59 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :

>
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Walter,  Adam,
>>
>> Am confused here. Why did we not need a motion to make the question to
>> Tony in the first place?
>>
>> Can you please clarify.
>>
>
> Tony asked for the opinion of the oversight board to several questions. I
> posted those questions several days ago and while a discussion ensued, no
> one (except me) actually answered the questions. I chose to make a motion
> in order to focus on the questions that Tony had posed and to move things
> along since there are several members of the community who have said that
> this issue is urgent.
>
>>
>> Procedure Note: In my opinion such legal related motions should be
>> translated to Sugar Labs main users language: Spanish. This takes time but
>> needs to be done so that real Sugar users can understand what the Oversight
>> is requesting.
>>
>
> We certainly can discuss this. We'd need some mechanism to execute it.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> 2017-09-15 15:26 GMT-05:00 Martin Dengler :
>>
>>>
>>> > On 15 Sep 2017, at 14:13, Lionel Laské  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > +1 for the motion.
>>> >
>>> > @Martin, thanks to wait for all votes or at least the end of voting
>>> delay.
>>>
>>> Sure Lionel - what is the voting delay? I actually was waiting but the
>>> wiki had been updated already (not by me) so I figured as the wiki had been
>>> updated and the outcome was not in doubt it was ok to summarize it in an
>>> email. I agree the delay should govern in the future.
>>>
>>> >   Lionel.
>>>
>>> Martin
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
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>>
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>



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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Walter,  Adam,
>
> Am confused here. Why did we not need a motion to make the question to
> Tony in the first place?
>
> Can you please clarify.
>

Tony asked for the opinion of the oversight board to several questions. I
posted those questions several days ago and while a discussion ensued, no
one (except me) actually answered the questions. I chose to make a motion
in order to focus on the questions that Tony had posed and to move things
along since there are several members of the community who have said that
this issue is urgent.

>
> Procedure Note: In my opinion such legal related motions should be
> translated to Sugar Labs main users language: Spanish. This takes time but
> needs to be done so that real Sugar users can understand what the Oversight
> is requesting.
>

We certainly can discuss this. We'd need some mechanism to execute it.

regards.

-walter

>
> Regards
>
> 2017-09-15 15:26 GMT-05:00 Martin Dengler :
>
>>
>> > On 15 Sep 2017, at 14:13, Lionel Laské  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > +1 for the motion.
>> >
>> > @Martin, thanks to wait for all votes or at least the end of voting
>> delay.
>>
>> Sure Lionel - what is the voting delay? I actually was waiting but the
>> wiki had been updated already (not by me) so I figured as the wiki had been
>> updated and the outcome was not in doubt it was ok to summarize it in an
>> email. I agree the delay should govern in the future.
>>
>> >   Lionel.
>>
>> Martin
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>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Martin Dengler]

> On 15 Sep 2017, at 14:13, Lionel Laské  wrote:
> 
> 
> +1 for the motion.
> 
> @Martin, thanks to wait for all votes or at least the end of voting delay.

Sure Lionel - what is the voting delay? I actually was waiting but the wiki had 
been updated already (not by me) so I figured as the wiki had been updated and 
the outcome was not in doubt it was ok to summarize it in an email. I agree the 
delay should govern in the future.

>   Lionel.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Samson Goddy]

Hello all,

It is more than 24hrs since walter requested this motion should be
seconded, so that voting can begin.
Sorry for thinking this way, but is it that the community don't want to
support the Bordeaux trip at all?

This is the second time i am making a proposal. First, was for me and Ibiam
which our sole purpose was to travel together to represent Sugarlabs and
possible connect to sponsors for future SL workshops in Nigeria. That was
declined because some people feel we are traveling first class trip.

Is this how SL tend to grow further by not supporting members for outreach
programs? Please bare in mind i am just 17, i don't have a steady stream of
money or income as most of you do. This community became my responsibility
ever since i became part of the board members. Of course SL money should be
use to promote Sugar which i think this proposal is doing.

I want to simply know if i will have some support from the community while
trying to promote Sugar in Bordeaux. Please bare in mind, a community can
never grow if we cannot have a good marketing strategy. it is not all about
maintaining our project but by promoting it.


On Jun 3, 2017 1:37 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

> Please excuse the top post.
>
> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
> in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
> it so we can vote?
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>> visa alone.
>>>
>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>
>>>
>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>> ready yet...)
>>
>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>
>>>
>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>
>>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>
>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>
>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
>> like me.
>>
>> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
>> let me try it.
>>
>> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>>
>>
>> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>>
>>>
>> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
>> resourceful than most imagine.
>>
>> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>>
>>
>> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point
>>> where:
>>>
>>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>>> policies).
>>>
>>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
>> had this opportunity!
>>
>>
>>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
>>> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
>>> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
>>> $500 ?)
>>>
>>>
>> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
>>
>> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to
>> give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion
>> is purely for reimbursement.
>>
>> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
>> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
>> with 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Samson Goddy]

Okay, i heard you.

I think me replying to some statements will create more discussion, so i
wouldn't.

Could it be seconded, as walter suggested so that it could be voted upon?



SG


On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
> additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
> my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
> their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
> here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
> 11/12.
>
> Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy"  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse the top post.
>>
>> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
>> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
>> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
>> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
>> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
>> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
>> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
>> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
>> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
>> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
>> second it so we can vote?
>>
>>
>> Humbly Disagree.
>>
>> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>>
>> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>>
> I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.
>
>>
>> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>>
> $600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
> compare to $500.
>
> My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.
>
>
> But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
> was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
> what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?
>
> Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
> going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
> approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
> rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.
>
>
> When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
> naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
> naira.
>
>
> So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
> amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
> didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
> if the economy turn worst.
>
> So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.
>
>
> On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
>> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — 
>> *by
>> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>>
>
> But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?
>
>>
>>
>> Respecting All,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>
> BR
>
> Samson
>
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
 visa alone.

 Flight and other things connected.


>>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>>> ready yet...)
>>>
>>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
 would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
 claims have insinuated.


 I am a Nigerian, you are not.


>>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>>
>>>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>>
>>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>>
>>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
>>> like 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
11/12.

Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.


On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy"  wrote:



On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
> Please excuse the top post.
>
> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
> second it so we can vote?
>
>
> Humbly Disagree.
>
> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>
> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.

>
> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.

My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.


But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?

Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.


When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.


So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.

So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.


On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — 
> *by
> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>

But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?

>
>
> Respecting All,
>
> Adam
>

BR

Samson

>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>> visa alone.
>>>
>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>
>>>
>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>> ready yet...)
>>
>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>
>>>
>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>
>>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>
>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>
>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
>> like me.
>>
>> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
>> let me try it.
>>
>> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>>
>>
>> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>>
>>>
>> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
>> resourceful than most imagine.
>>
>> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>>
>>
>> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Samson Goddy]

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
> Please excuse the top post.
>
> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
> second it so we can vote?
>
>
> Humbly Disagree.
>
> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>
> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.

>
> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.

My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.


But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?

Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.


When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.


So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.

So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.


On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — 
> *by
> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>

But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?

>
>
> Respecting All,
>
> Adam
>

BR

Samson

>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>> visa alone.
>>>
>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>
>>>
>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>> ready yet...)
>>
>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>
>>>
>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>
>>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>
>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>
>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
>> like me.
>>
>> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
>> let me try it.
>>
>> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>>
>>
>> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>>
>>>
>> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
>> resourceful than most imagine.
>>
>> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>>
>>
>> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point
>>> where:
>>>
>>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>>> policies).
>>>
>>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
>> had this opportunity!
>>

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

Please excuse the top post.

I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most of
you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
it so we can vote?


Humbly Disagree.

The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:

(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.

(2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.

On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*

Respecting All,

Adam

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>> visa alone.
>>
>> Flight and other things connected.
>>
>>
> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
> ready yet...)
>
> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>> claims have insinuated.
>>
>>
>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>
>>
> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>
>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>
> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
> but there are in fact options in every price range.
>
> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
> like me.
>
> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
> let me try it.
>
> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>
>
> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>
>>
> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
> resourceful than most imagine.
>
> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>
>
> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:
>>
>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>> policies).
>>
>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>
>>
> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
> had this opportunity!
>
>
>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
>> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
>> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
>> $500 ?)
>>
>>
> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
>
> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
> me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
> purely for reimbursement.
>
> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
> with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
>
>
> Onwards & Upwards ~
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
>
>
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>


-- 
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Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Walter Bender]

Please excuse the top post.

I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most of
you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
it so we can vote?

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>> visa alone.
>>
>> Flight and other things connected.
>>
>>
> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
> ready yet...)
>
> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>> claims have insinuated.
>>
>>
>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>
>>
> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>
>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>
> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
> but there are in fact options in every price range.
>
> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
> like me.
>
> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
> let me try it.
>
> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>
>
> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>
>>
> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
> resourceful than most imagine.
>
> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>
>
> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:
>>
>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>> policies).
>>
>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>
>>
> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
> had this opportunity!
>
>
>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
>> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
>> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
>> $500 ?)
>>
>>
> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
>
> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
> me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
> purely for reimbursement.
>
> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
> with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
>
>
> Onwards & Upwards ~
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
>
>
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>


-- 
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Sugar Labs
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