[IAEP] Introduction for Gsoc 2017

[MAYANK JINDAL]

Hi,
 My name is Mayank Jindal. I am third year undergraduate student
currently studying at Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur. I want to
take part in Gsoc-2017 from SugarLabs .
I have knowledge of C, C++, JAVA, Python, Machine Learning, Artificial
Intelligence, Android app development and Web development. I am very
enthusiastic to learn new skills which would be required.
Kindly guide me to proceed further.




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On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 9:57 PM, MAYANK JINDAL 
wrote:

> Hi,
>  My name is Mayank Jindal. I am third year undergraduate student
> currently studying at Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur. I want to
> take part in Gsoc-2017 from SugarLabs .
> I have knowledge of C, C++, JAVA, Python, Machine Learning, Artificial
> Intelligence, Android app development and Web development. I am very
> enthusiastic to learn new skills which would be required.
> Kindly guide me to proceed further.
>
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Mayank Jindal,
> Third year undergraduate student,
> Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur
> Mobile : +91- 7076670299 || 8875432718
>
>
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[IAEP] Introduction of myself

[Alex Eng]

Hi,

I am a member of Globalisation group from RedHat and Fedora community.

With recent adapt of SOAS desktop into fedora, there's few requirements
coming out from user on localisation of the SOAS desktop.

I'm just wondering is there anyone that I can get contact with regarding
this topic and feature request?



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Re: [IAEP] Introduction of myself

[Sam P.]

Hi Alex,

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016, 10:36 AM Alex Eng  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am a member of Globalisation group from RedHat and Fedora community.
>
> With recent adapt of SOAS desktop into fedora, there's few requirements
> coming out from user on localisation of the SOAS desktop.
>


> I'm just wondering is there anyone that I can get contact with regarding
> this topic and feature request?
>

What feature request?  I don't keep up to date with the fedora community,
but there have definatly not been any recent localisation discourse on
sugar-devel or iaep.

Maybe publishing the feature on the mailing list would help?

Thanks,
Sam


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Re: [IAEP] Introduction of myself

[James Cameron]

On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 10:11:51AM +1000, Alex Eng wrote:
> Sorry for the confusion, the feature I referring to is the
> localisation of SOAS desktop.

But what is the actual problem and scope?  My understanding is that
SoaS is already localised.  Perhaps you mean more localised?

Perhaps the SoaS mailing list?
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas

Sugar has a localisation process, and since Sugar forms a major part
of SoaS you might be more interested in that?
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

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Re: [IAEP] Introduction of myself

[Alex Eng]

Thanks for the info James. I will look into that.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 AM, James Cameron  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 10:11:51AM +1000, Alex Eng wrote:
> > Sorry for the confusion, the feature I referring to is the
> > localisation of SOAS desktop.
>
> But what is the actual problem and scope?  My understanding is that
> SoaS is already localised.  Perhaps you mean more localised?
>
> Perhaps the SoaS mailing list?
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
>
> Sugar has a localisation process, and since Sugar forms a major part
> of SoaS you might be more interested in that?
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
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> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>



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Re: [IAEP] Introduction of myself

[Alex Eng]

>
> What feature request?  I don't keep up to date with the fedora community,
> but there have definatly not been any recent localisation discourse on
> sugar-devel or iaep.
> Maybe publishing the feature on the mailing list would help?


Sorry for the confusion, the feature I referring to is the localisation of
SOAS desktop.


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Sam P.  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016, 10:36 AM Alex Eng  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a member of Globalisation group from RedHat and Fedora community.
>>
>> With recent adapt of SOAS desktop into fedora, there's few requirements
>> coming out from user on localisation of the SOAS desktop.
>>
>
>
>> I'm just wondering is there anyone that I can get contact with regarding
>> this topic and feature request?
>>
>
> What feature request?  I don't keep up to date with the fedora community,
> but there have definatly not been any recent localisation discourse on
> sugar-devel or iaep.
>
> Maybe publishing the feature on the mailing list would help?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
>>
>>
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>
>


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Re: [IAEP] Introduction of myself

[forster]

Hi Alex

If you want to lodge a request on Trac its
https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/query?component=Sugar+on+a+Stick+(SoaS)

Tony




What feature request?  I don't keep up to date with the fedora community,
but there have definatly not been any recent localisation discourse on
sugar-devel or iaep.
Maybe publishing the feature on the mailing list would help?



Sorry for the confusion, the feature I referring to is the localisation of
SOAS desktop.


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Sam P.  wrote:


Hi Alex,

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016, 10:36 AM Alex Eng  wrote:


Hi,

I am a member of Globalisation group from RedHat and Fedora community.

With recent adapt of SOAS desktop into fedora, there's few requirements
coming out from user on localisation of the SOAS desktop.





I'm just wondering is there anyone that I can get contact with regarding
this topic and feature request?



What feature request?  I don't keep up to date with the fedora community,
but there have definatly not been any recent localisation discourse on
sugar-devel or iaep.

Maybe publishing the feature on the mailing list would help?

Thanks,
Sam





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Re: [IAEP] Introduction of myself

[Sam P.]

Hi Alex,

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016, 11:11 AM Alex Eng  wrote:

> What feature request?  I don't keep up to date with the fedora community,
>> but there have definatly not been any recent localisation discourse on
>> sugar-devel or iaep.
>> Maybe publishing the feature on the mailing list would help?
>
>
> Sorry for the confusion, the feature I referring to is the localisation of
> SOAS desktop.
>

Sugar (and therefore SoaS) support localization and have a large range of
translations.  However, we don't currently have a language prompt on the
first boot screen.  Users must choose the language by navigating to my
settings after setting up.

Is that the bug your referring to?

Thanks,
Sam


>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Sam P.  wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016, 10:36 AM Alex Eng  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am a member of Globalisation group from RedHat and Fedora community.
>>>
>>> With recent adapt of SOAS desktop into fedora, there's few requirements
>>> coming out from user on localisation of the SOAS desktop.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm just wondering is there anyone that I can get contact with regarding
>>> this topic and feature request?
>>>
>>
>> What feature request?  I don't keep up to date with the fedora community,
>> but there have definatly not been any recent localisation discourse on
>> sugar-devel or iaep.
>>
>> Maybe publishing the feature on the mailing list would help?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex Eng
>>> ___
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>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Alex Eng
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[John Landis]

Kevin  Pato,

Thanks so much for the heads-up around this issue.  These are
definitely issues I was thinking about.  I've spoken to our
after-school coordinator about getting together a small group to trial
this with, and she is pretty excited about the idea.

1. What size of USB will you use?
Last year we had a usb donation drive for our older students who use
them in the standard way.  It was an overwhelming success, yielding
far more than we need for the older students, and drives in all shapes
and sizes.  I've been using 2 gig drives in my testing, but I can see
how that would fill up fast with the video recording activity.

 We took videos of our traditional rhymes.
I love these!  More importantly I think the more traditional teachers
at my school would love it too!  Too bad my spanish is so poor!


2. Will your computers boot from USB?

I've already confirmed that I can configure the BIOS to boot from USB
if present!  No problem here.

3. Sticks will fail at a high rate.  As I mentioned in my first post, we have 
about a 20% failure rate on our sticks every sessions.  Yesterday, one 
student had to try 3 sticks before we got one that
 would work.

This is pretty distressing to me, as a reliable persistant save space
is really the biggest reason for doing this in my book.  Hopefully
with the benefit of your experience we can improve on that 20% figure.

This means we always take a lot of back-ups.
Can I infer from this that the XS server does some sort of automated
backup?  I've been trying to figure out how essential the server is,
and whether it is worth the effort to set up, but that's probably a
discussion better suited to the SOAS tech list.

  We were able to figure out that one computer was the problem,
  not the sticks, so be prepared to be methodical in tracking the sticks and 
 computers.
Did you figure out what the issue was with the PC?  Do I need to
bother with tracking if all PCs are hardware identical?

 The problem diminished some  when we teach these students the meaning of the 
 flashing LED on the usb. If you had blinked, you had to wait.

My notion is that I will train the students to watch the PC's power
light rather than the read/write light on the USB stick.  Possible
rhyme for remembering to do so:  Don't take it BACK until the light
goes BLACK!

Thanks so much for the advice.  I will keep in touch as the project
progresses, with blog entries to come!

-John
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[Pato Acevedo]

Hi:




1. What size of USB will you use?  Last time I looked, Sugar Labs recommended 
1 GB.  We use 4GB.  Our Computer Science student wishes we had gone with 8GBs. 
We do get frozen computers when students open too many activities.  If they 
save video  items from
 Record, you will want more persistent space, and getting young kids to record 
poetry or songs will be a big hit! 


We took videos of our traditional 
rhymes.http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x2c6un_SugarLabsChile_soas-sugar/1#video=xeflf1
Initially we used record activity but found better results recorded directly 
from dailymotion through browser activity  (flash playerconectivity required). 
Both are registered in our planning published in 
WikiEducator.http://wikieducator.org/Editing_User:Werner/My_sandbox/Integracion_Curricular_Sugar/Planificaciones_NB2_Expresi%C3%B3n_Oral

2. Will your computers boot from USB?  At one school, kids hit F12 on 
start-up, that gives them a boot menu, and they choose the USB stick. At the 
other location, the IT staff changed the boot order on all the computers so 
the computers now look for the
 USB stick first, then the hard drive.  The later would probably be better with 
young kids.  
+1. 



That said, your lab may or may not allow you to access your boot order. We 
have run into a lot of home computers that do not allow students to access 
boot order.  Your IT people will obviously have a lot to say about how the 
sticks will be accessed. 



3. Sticks will fail at a high rate.  As I mentioned in my first post, we have 
about a 20% failure rate on our sticks every sessions.  Yesterday, one student 
had to try 3 sticks before we got one that would work.  This means we always 
take a lot of back-ups.
  We have been at this location for 7 weeks, one hour / week, and only one out 
of 10 students was still using the same stick we gave him on day one.  Most 
are on their second, and a few 3 or more.  We were able to figure out that one 
computer was the problem,
 not the sticks, so be prepared to be methodical in tracking the sticks and 
computers.  


UUff, this is a big problem. Our initial hypotesis was to found that computers 
produced more damaged sticks. Moreover, we find some correlation between 
students anxious / usb failed / PC or netbook with higher failure rate.  The 
problem diminished some  when we teach these students the meaning of the 
flashing LED on the usb. If you had blinked, you had to wait. A critical moment 
for us was closing time. Allow sufficient time for safe removal. There is a 
compression and decompression process that must be completed to avoid damaging 
the USB Stick.
Cheers,

Pato AcevedoSugarLabs Chile
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[Thomas Gilliard]

I use the liveinst command (fedora anaconda installer) in sugar root 
terminal [#  ] to install to a 4 GB USB (with a led activity indicator)

Teach the students to wait for the flashes to stop before removing them.

These USB can be very cheap (I purchased some EMTEC 4GB for $9.95 recently)

Look at this tutorial:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/Install_with_liveinst

Other sugar related tutorials are located here:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials

This installs a real file system to the Soas USB. This is a much more 
robust form of SoaS Stick.

It does not rely on a frangible persistence file

Tom Gilliard
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On 11/22/2012 08:24 AM, Pato Acevedo wrote:



Hi:



1. What size of USB will you use?  Last time I looked, Sugar Labs 
recommended 1 GB.  We use 4GB.  Our Computer Science student wishes we 
had gone with 8GBs. We do get frozen computers when students open too 
many activities.  If they save video  items from Record, you will want 
more persistent space, and getting young kids to record poetry or 
songs will be a big hit!


We took videos of our traditional rhymes.
http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x2c6un_SugarLabsChile_soas-sugar/1#video=xeflf1

Initially we used record activity but found better results recorded 
directly from dailymotion through browser activity  (flash 
playerconectivity required). Both are registered in our planning 
published in WikiEducator.

http://wikieducator.org/Editing_User:Werner/My_sandbox/Integracion_Curricular_Sugar/Planificaciones_NB2_Expresi%C3%B3n_Oral

2. Will your computers boot from USB?  At one school, kids hit F12 on 
start-up, that gives them a boot menu, and they choose the USB stick. 
At the other location, the IT staff changed the boot order on all the 
computers so the computers now look for the USB stick first, then the 
hard drive.  The later would probably be better with young kids.


+1.

That said, your lab may or may not allow you to access your boot 
order. We have run into a lot of home computers that do not allow 
students to access boot order.  Your IT people will obviously have a 
lot to say about how the sticks will be accessed.


3. Sticks will fail at a high rate.  As I mentioned in my first post, 
we have about a 20% failure rate on our sticks every sessions. 
 Yesterday, one student had to try 3 sticks before we got one that 
would work.  This means we always take a lot of back-ups.  We have 
been at this location for 7 weeks, one hour / week, and only one out 
of 10 students was still using the same stick we gave him on day one. 
 Most are on their second, and a few 3 or more.  We were able to 
figure out that one computer was the problem, not the sticks, so be 
prepared to be methodical in tracking the sticks and computers.


UUff, this is a big problem. Our initial hypotesis was to found that 
computers produced more damaged sticks. Moreover, we find some 
correlation between students anxious / usb failed / PC or netbook with 
higher failure rate.  The problem diminished some  when we teach these 
students the meaning of the flashing LED on the usb. If you had 
blinked, you had to wait.
A critical moment for us was closing time. Allow sufficient time for 
safe removal. There is a compression and decompression process that 
must be completed to avoid damaging the USB Stick.


Cheers,


Pato Acevedo
SugarLabs Chile



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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[Brooks, Kevin]

John Landis,

A few things you will need to figure out in your traditional lab set up before 
using SoaS.

1. What size of USB will you use?  Last time I looked, Sugar Labs recommended 1 
GB.  We use 4GB.  Our Computer Science student wishes we had gone with 8GBs. We 
do get frozen computers when students open too many activities.  If they save 
video  items from Record, you will want more persistent space, and getting 
young kids to record poetry or songs will be a big hit!

2. Will your computers boot from USB?  At one school, kids hit F12 on start-up, 
that gives them a boot menu, and they choose the USB stick. At the other 
location, the IT staff changed the boot order on all the computers so the 
computers now look for the USB stick first, then the hard drive.  The later 
would probably be better with young kids.

That said, your lab may or may not allow you to access your boot order. We have 
run into a lot of home computers that do not allow students to access boot 
order.  Your IT people will obviously have a lot to say about how the sticks 
will be accessed.

3. Sticks will fail at a high rate.  As I mentioned in my first post, we have 
about a 20% failure rate on our sticks every sessions.  Yesterday, one student 
had to try 3 sticks before we got one that would work.  This means we always 
take a lot of back-ups.  We have been at this location for 7 weeks, one hour / 
week, and only one out of 10 students was still using the same stick we gave 
him on day one.  Most are on their second, and a few 3 or more.  We were able 
to figure out that one computer was the problem, not the sticks, so be prepared 
to be methodical in tracking the sticks and computers.

If you are hoping that students will use a stick all year and save their work, 
our experience is that most students will lose their work at some point (sooner 
rather than later) unless you can also back up to a server.  We don't have a 
server supporting our program, and our CS people are having a terrible time 
figuring out how to set up an XS server.  Gerald Ardito set one up for his 
school, I think, so it can be done!

If anyone has ideas for improving the success rates of our sticks, we would 
sure like to hear those ideas.

Good luck.  I know some faculty in Philly if you do want to reach out to higher 
ed.

Kevin
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[John Landis]

Thanks so much for the warm welcome.  Particularly to Patricio,
Harriet, and Kevin for sharing such fascinating links.

If it's okay, I'm going to use this list as a sounding board for my
thoughts as I explore Sugar.  Again, if there's a better place for
this type of thing, please let me know!

So far, I'm getting the impression that Sugar on A Stick is more or
less limited to experimental university-school partnerships, and
hasn't yet reached a phase of wide deployment in the hands of schools.
 Is this an accurate assessment?

The reason I'm interested in SOAS is that I work in the traditional
computer lab setting that is so familiar in K12 schools in the US.
This setting has a lot of restrictions and drawbacks.  A big one is
that, even though the students are surrounded by computers in my lab,
and to varying degrees at home, they have no opportunity to take
ownership of these devices.  They can't monkey about with the precious
computers that we adults see as far to precious to fully hand over to
children.  A very basic symptom of this is that the students simply
can't save their work.  A save dialog box on most computers is very
difficult to learn for the uninitiated.  Add to this that all files
which don't make it onto a shared network or USB drive are basically
instantly lost given the shared nature of school computers.  If the
kids can't do something as simple as save a piece of writing, the
computer is far less useful than a notebook.

In this light, SOAS looks very appealing.  The promise of handing a
student their own _persistant_ computer where they are free to explore
is exactly what I've been looking for. (to say nothing of sugar's
Journal which I think is a brilliant answer to the above problem).

I'm curious, how do my motivations match up with how you guys think about sugar?

-John
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM, John Landis j...@johnlandis.net wrote:
 Thanks so much for the warm welcome.  Particularly to Patricio,
 Harriet, and Kevin for sharing such fascinating links.

 If it's okay, I'm going to use this list as a sounding board for my
 thoughts as I explore Sugar.  Again, if there's a better place for
 this type of thing, please let me know!

 So far, I'm getting the impression that Sugar on A Stick is more or
 less limited to experimental university-school partnerships, and
 hasn't yet reached a phase of wide deployment in the hands of schools.
  Is this an accurate assessment?

No, it's not. It's been used in a number of school environments that
I'm aware of quite successfully in a number of different countries.

 The reason I'm interested in SOAS is that I work in the traditional
 computer lab setting that is so familiar in K12 schools in the US.
 This setting has a lot of restrictions and drawbacks.  A big one is
 that, even though the students are surrounded by computers in my lab,
 and to varying degrees at home, they have no opportunity to take
 ownership of these devices.  They can't monkey about with the precious
 computers that we adults see as far to precious to fully hand over to
 children.  A very basic symptom of this is that the students simply
 can't save their work.  A save dialog box on most computers is very
 difficult to learn for the uninitiated.  Add to this that all files
 which don't make it onto a shared network or USB drive are basically
 instantly lost given the shared nature of school computers.  If the
 kids can't do something as simple as save a piece of writing, the
 computer is far less useful than a notebook.

 In this light, SOAS looks very appealing.  The promise of handing a
 student their own _persistant_ computer where they are free to explore
 is exactly what I've been looking for. (to say nothing of sugar's
 Journal which I think is a brilliant answer to the above problem).

That's basically it, it certainly isn't without it's quirks but it
generally works pretty well.

I'm the lead developer for SoaS.

Peter
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[John Tierney]

Hi John,

I would say your summary is pretty well on target 
taking into account Peter's comments and the continued 
improvements he has been making with each SoaS release. 
I would be happy to have a conversation with you on Skype 
or phone and give you some ideas on how you might want to 
approach the local Universities to establish relationships in Computer 
Science and Education schools to build up a support system. I think
you mentioned your in Philadelphia so Temple and Drexel would be 
great options as well as the other smaller schools.

I have been collaborating with Dr. Kevin Brooks and his Great Fargo 
project since its inception. I met Kevin at the Computers and Writing 
Conference at Purdue in 2010, where I helped put on a Sugar  Workshop 
with Dr. Gerald Ardito, and Walter Bender who joined via Skype. In turn I 
joined Kevin and his graduate student Chris Lindgren at the University of 
Michigan at ComputersWriting 2011 for another Sugar Workshop.

I think this would be a great place for you to talk about the education 
portions of the project,for the technical questions/issues and updates 
on that front the Soas list would be best.

It's Great to see you trying to help out your learners in this manner.
Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Best!
John Tierney
Skype: jt4sugar
#248-613-7392

 From: j...@johnlandis.net
 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:10:41 -0500
 To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Subject: Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS
 
 Thanks so much for the warm welcome.  Particularly to Patricio,
 Harriet, and Kevin for sharing such fascinating links.
 
 If it's okay, I'm going to use this list as a sounding board for my
 thoughts as I explore Sugar.  Again, if there's a better place for
 this type of thing, please let me know!
 
 So far, I'm getting the impression that Sugar on A Stick is more or
 less limited to experimental university-school partnerships, and
 hasn't yet reached a phase of wide deployment in the hands of schools.
  Is this an accurate assessment?
 
 The reason I'm interested in SOAS is that I work in the traditional
 computer lab setting that is so familiar in K12 schools in the US.
 This setting has a lot of restrictions and drawbacks.  A big one is
 that, even though the students are surrounded by computers in my lab,
 and to varying degrees at home, they have no opportunity to take
 ownership of these devices.  They can't monkey about with the precious
 computers that we adults see as far to precious to fully hand over to
 children.  A very basic symptom of this is that the students simply
 can't save their work.  A save dialog box on most computers is very
 difficult to learn for the uninitiated.  Add to this that all files
 which don't make it onto a shared network or USB drive are basically
 instantly lost given the shared nature of school computers.  If the
 kids can't do something as simple as save a piece of writing, the
 computer is far less useful than a notebook.
 
 In this light, SOAS looks very appealing.  The promise of handing a
 student their own _persistant_ computer where they are free to explore
 is exactly what I've been looking for. (to say nothing of sugar's
 Journal which I think is a brilliant answer to the above problem).
 
 I'm curious, how do my motivations match up with how you guys think about 
 sugar?
 
 -John
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[Steve Thomas]

John,

Also if you would like support with Etoys, I would be happy to help and
live not that far from Philadelphia.
Please check out the lesson plans on etoysillinois.org

They have a wonderful set of lesson plans for K-6.

Steve Thomas

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:50 PM, John Tierney jtis4...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Hi John,

 I would say your summary is pretty well on target
 taking into account Peter's comments and the continued
 improvements he has been making with each SoaS release.
 I would be happy to have a conversation with you on Skype
 or phone and give you some ideas on how you might want to
 approach the local Universities to establish relationships in Computer
 Science and Education schools to build up a support system. I think
 you mentioned your in Philadelphia so Temple and Drexel would be
 great options as well as the other smaller schools.

 I have been collaborating with Dr. Kevin Brooks and his Great Fargo
 project since its inception. I met Kevin at the Computers and Writing
 Conference at Purdue in 2010, where I helped put on a Sugar  Workshop
 with Dr. Gerald Ardito, and Walter Bender who joined via Skype. In turn I
 joined Kevin and his graduate student Chris Lindgren at the University of
 Michigan at ComputersWriting 2011 for another Sugar Workshop.

 I think this would be a great place for you to talk about the education
 portions of the project,for the technical questions/issues and updates
 on that front the Soas list would be best.

 It's Great to see you trying to help out your learners in this manner.
 Let me know if I can be of assistance.

 Best!
 John Tierney
 Skype: jt4sugar
 #248-613-7392

  From: j...@johnlandis.net
  Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:10:41 -0500
  To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
  Subject: Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

 
  Thanks so much for the warm welcome. Particularly to Patricio,
  Harriet, and Kevin for sharing such fascinating links.
 
  If it's okay, I'm going to use this list as a sounding board for my
  thoughts as I explore Sugar. Again, if there's a better place for
  this type of thing, please let me know!
 
  So far, I'm getting the impression that Sugar on A Stick is more or
  less limited to experimental university-school partnerships, and
  hasn't yet reached a phase of wide deployment in the hands of schools.
  Is this an accurate assessment?
 
  The reason I'm interested in SOAS is that I work in the traditional
  computer lab setting that is so familiar in K12 schools in the US.
  This setting has a lot of restrictions and drawbacks. A big one is
  that, even though the students are surrounded by computers in my lab,
  and to varying degrees at home, they have no opportunity to take
  ownership of these devices. They can't monkey about with the precious
  computers that we adults see as far to precious to fully hand over to
  children. A very basic symptom of this is that the students simply
  can't save their work. A save dialog box on most computers is very
  difficult to learn for the uninitiated. Add to this that all files
  which don't make it onto a shared network or USB drive are basically
  instantly lost given the shared nature of school computers. If the
  kids can't do something as simple as save a piece of writing, the
  computer is far less useful than a notebook.
 
  In this light, SOAS looks very appealing. The promise of handing a
  student their own _persistant_ computer where they are free to explore
  is exactly what I've been looking for. (to say nothing of sugar's
  Journal which I think is a brilliant answer to the above problem).
 
  I'm curious, how do my motivations match up with how you guys think
 about sugar?
 
  -John
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[IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[John Landis]

Hi there,

Not sure if this email list is the proper place to post, but I wanted
to introduce myself to the community.

I work in Philadelphia, teaching technology and media literacy at a
K-6 (ages about 4-12) charter school.

I'm interested in using Sugar on a Stick with my 5-7 year old
students.  I need a bit of guidance as I explore this new territory,
both on the technical and the pedagogical side of things.

So, first question: have I got the right community or should I be
posting elsewhere?

-John Landis
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: teacher interested in SOAS

[Walter Bender]

There is a list specific to Sugar on a Stick technical questions [1],
but Sugar pedagogy questions should be address to this list.

regards.

-walter

[1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM, John Landis j...@johnlandis.net wrote:
 Hi there,

 Not sure if this email list is the proper place to post, but I wanted
 to introduce myself to the community.

 I work in Philadelphia, teaching technology and media literacy at a
 K-6 (ages about 4-12) charter school.

 I'm interested in using Sugar on a Stick with my 5-7 year old
 students.  I need a bit of guidance as I explore this new territory,
 both on the technical and the pedagogical side of things.

 So, first question: have I got the right community or should I be
 posting elsewhere?

 -John Landis
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[IAEP] Introduction to the Sugar Interface-(3 wiki linked pages of annotated screenshots)

[Thomas C Gilliard]

Caryl;
I just wrote these 3 wiki pages of annotated screenshots which I hope 
will be helpful for beginners learning how to start and navigate the 
Sugar-Desktop:
The pages are linked with a blue top/bottom page bar with links to the 
previous and next pages:


 Annotated Screen-shots covering these topics:

   Introduction to the Sugar-interface 
   Connecting to the Internet 
   Drag-Drop


   Exporting/Importing files and pictures to/from a 2nd USB-stick 
   Installing activity.xo files 
   How to take Screen-shots 

Link: 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Introduction_to_the_Sugar_Interface_-


I believe that these pages will be useful medium for learning; as it is 
a wiki and anyone can edit it.

I hope you will look at it and give me some feedback.

Cordially

Tom Gilliard
satellit_ on IRC #sugar

By the way how did the 2 USB sticks that I sent work for your presentation?
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction of MIT graduate team working with Sugar Labs

[Carlos Rabassa]

Julie,


THANKS!!

and best wishes.

Your approach sounds great.


Carlos Rabassa
Volunteer
Plan Ceibal Support Network
Montevideo, Uruguay



On Nov 21, 2010, at 11:43 PM, Julie Lein wrote:

 Dear Sugar Community,
 
 We are MBA candidates at MIT working with Sugar Labs to help generate 
 awareness for the organization as an independent, open-source educational 
 innovator for children. To do this, we would love your input!
 
 We will be sending out a brief survey to assess how Sugar and Sugar Labs are 
 perceived by those who know them best. We would be very grateful if you would 
 take a few moments of your time to share your perspectives with us.  We will 
 use your input to generate strategic recommendations for how Sugar Labs can 
 increase its reach throughout the global community.
 
 From a personal level, we all came to Sugar Labs due to our passion for 
 education and international development.  Alex previously served in the Peace 
 Corps, Laura worked at a non-profit, Julie served on the Board of an 
 educational non-profit for low-income students, and Parul has worked in 
 software development with an educational focus.  We are passionate about 
 Sugar Labs’ mission and are very excited to be working with you!
 
 We will be following this e-mail with our survey. Please feel free to contact 
 us with any questions.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Alexandra Fallon (afal...@mit.edu)
 Laura Guaglianone (lguag...@mit.edu)
 Julie Lein (j2u...@mit.edu)
 Parul Singh (pa...@mit.edu)
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[IAEP] Introduction of MIT graduate team working with Sugar Labs

[Julie Lein]

Dear Sugar Community,

We are MBA candidates at MIT working with Sugar Labs to help generate
awareness for the organization as an independent, open-source educational
innovator for children. To do this, we would love your input!

We will be sending out a brief survey to assess how Sugar and Sugar Labs are
perceived by those who know them best. We would be very grateful if you
would take a few moments of your time to share your perspectives with us.
We will use your input to generate strategic recommendations for how Sugar
Labs can increase its reach throughout the global community.

From a personal level, we all came to Sugar Labs due to our passion for
education and international development.  Alex previously served in the
Peace Corps, Laura worked at a non-profit, Julie served on the Board of an
educational non-profit for low-income students, and Parul has worked in
software development with an educational focus.  We are passionate about
Sugar Labs’ mission and are very excited to be working with you!

We will be following this e-mail with our survey. Please feel free to
contact us with any questions.

Sincerely,

Alexandra Fallon (afal...@mit.edu)
Laura Guaglianone (lguag...@mit.edu)
Julie Lein (j2u...@mit.edu)
Parul Singh (pa...@mit.edu)
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Re: [IAEP] Introduction: Researching Sugar Graphics

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 21:02, JT Mengel jtmen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!
 My name's Scott 'JT' Mengel and I'm working at RIT on a research fellowship
 along with David Silverman on graphics for constrained platforms, targeting
 the Sugar OS on the XO laptop using Python.
 Our work is focused on researching best practices for incorporating graphics
 and animations with Python on the XO, as well as documenting the data and
 methods used to collect it.

Hi,

what about input methods? Will your research also cover that and other
UX aspects?

Regards,

Tomeu

 Currently we have gathered a small amount of test data which we have
 mentioned on our blogs; if you have any comments, suggestions, or want to
 talk about our research, please feel free to contact me here at
 jtmen...@gmail.com or track our blog entries (link below).
 -Scott 'JT' Mengel
 JT Mengel's blog
 Dave Silverman's blog
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[IAEP] Introduction: Researching Sugar Graphics

[JT Mengel]

Hi!

My name's Scott 'JT' Mengel and I'm working at RIT on a research fellowship
along with David Silverman on graphics for constrained platforms, targeting
the Sugar OS on the XO laptop using Python.

Our work is focused on researching best practices for incorporating graphics
and animations with Python on the XO, as well as documenting the data and
methods used to collect it.

Currently we have gathered a small amount of test data which we have
mentioned on our blogs; if you have any comments, suggestions, or want to
talk about our research, please feel free to contact me here at
jtmen...@gmail.com or track our blog entries (link below).

-Scott 'JT' Mengel

JT Mengel's blog http://foss.rit.edu/blog/15
Dave Silverman's blog http://foss.rit.edu/blog/14
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[IAEP] Introduction - guidance needed

[Roopesh P Raj]

Hi All,

I am an experienced python developer, I have also worked with zope, css,
html, javascript, java, and web framework like turbogears. I have a physics
background and is very much interested in educational activities.

I came to know about the project through OLPC project page. I am interested
in getting involved in sugar lab project in what ever way I can. I can
contribute through code contribution, bug fixes, testing etc. I can also
contribute in documenting the work also.

Please guide me in getting started - please suggest me any projects which
requires python expertise so that I can start exploring.

I don't have a linux box, I have only a laptop with windows installed. Will
that be a problem?

Warm Regards,
Roopesh
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[IAEP] Introduction

[Basil Mohamed Gohar]

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Hello everyone!

/(apologies for more-or-less plagiarizing my fourthgrademaths mailing
list introduction)/

My name is Basil Mohamed Gohar, and I'm an avid Fedora  free-software
user.  I am also very interested in free-as-in-freedom educational
resources due to my deep dedication  advocacy of parental homeschooling
of children.

I was directed to this list by tomeu on #sugar at irc.freenode.net due
to my expressed interest in free curriculum  educational resources.  I
apologize in advance for not yet being up-to-speed on the true nature of
the project or the archives, which I intend to peruse to get a better
feel for the nature of this list  its subscribers.

I'm very happy to see an organized effort being made around free  open
teaching methods, techniques, resources, or whatever else may be
relevant to making it easier for parents to teach their own children.

I'm looking forward to involving myself more in such efforts in the future.

- -- 
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abu_huray...@hidayahonline.org
http://www.basilgohar.com/blog/
basilgohar on irc.freenode.net
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Re: [IAEP] introduction - hi I'm Donna

[Caroline Meeks]

 Questions:
 HOW do we facilitate sugar exploration by willing teachers?

 I know a few primary teachers very keen to get to work with Sugar or the
 XO - but they don't necessarily have the know-how or resources to buy
 machines for the school... this is where SOAS and live CDs come in...
 but then what?


Yes, I agree, this is one of the next problems we need to solve.

http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_as_Service_Learning is a page I hope will
evolve to have an answer. Your help is definitely requested.

SoaS-5 works well but doesn't have many interesting activities. I expect by
6 or 7 or so it'll be ready to give to a teacher.  So after Christmas break.




 The instructions on the site are not for the faint-hearted. :)
 I'd love to work to improve them - and make the whole thing fool-proof!
 [ I don't even know if that's possible - I don't run windows, so the
 whole bios / boot thing had me mystified ]

  Encourage and support local deployments.

 I have 3 primary teachers, and a primary school technician all at
 different schools ready to jump on a project / deployment in Victoria -
 if only we can rally the resources to do so.


Join the Sugar on a Stick early adopters class on the moodle site
schools.sugarlabs.org to watch our progress in the first pilot of Sugar on a
Stick.  We currently hope to have kids playing with it summer camp and start
in the fall with one grade full deployment moving to the full school as
teachers become comfortable and equiptment is available.

Thanks!
Caroline



  1. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
  2. http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam

 Thanks for these - I shall do some more homework.

 cheers
 Donna

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Re: [IAEP] introduction - hi I'm Donna

[Walter Bender]

Please join the weekly deployment team discussions on IRC (Wednesdays
at 14:00 UTC -- we can switch the times around if it is too difficult
for those of you in OZ). We have been discussing the various goals and
mechanics of local Sugar Labs and your voices should be heard.

thanks.

-walter

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Joel Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/12/11 David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Your reputation as an organizer precedes you:)  I would invite you to 
 consider:
 Helping us figure out exactly what Local Labs are.
 Establish Sugar Labs - Australia to support local deployments and feed
 best practices back upstream.
 Encourage and support local deployments.


 Hello All,

 I've been speaking with Bill Kerr and Bernie about establishing an AU
 local lab for a few weeks now[0].  More recently I've been talking to
 Pia, who is setting up the http://olpcfriends.org community, and
 Rangan, who is the Executive Director[1] of OLPC-AU, and among other
 things is running a G1G1 for Australians.

 We've got lots of interest in Sugar, and a number of people who are
 setting up their own groups to work on it (weather that is Sugar
 directly, or under the name of various OLPC groups).  Working out
 where a local lab fits into all of the above is something I've been
 spending some time thinking about recently.

 My current thought is perhaps Sugar Labs is a common banner to group
 contributors under, as a place for meeting, sharing and discussing
 online.  They can then take that with them as they go out to trials,
 deployments, and other groups.

 Do you have any thoughts?

 Joel

 [0] offlist.  This thread is a good reminder (to me) of why it's good
 to have discussions onlist
 [1] I think he should be the executive officer, so we can call him the XO :)
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Re: [IAEP] introduction - hi I'm Donna

[Joel Stanley]

2008/12/11 David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Your reputation as an organizer precedes you:)  I would invite you to 
 consider:
 Helping us figure out exactly what Local Labs are.
 Establish Sugar Labs - Australia to support local deployments and feed
 best practices back upstream.
 Encourage and support local deployments.


Hello All,

I've been speaking with Bill Kerr and Bernie about establishing an AU
local lab for a few weeks now[0].  More recently I've been talking to
Pia, who is setting up the http://olpcfriends.org community, and
Rangan, who is the Executive Director[1] of OLPC-AU, and among other
things is running a G1G1 for Australians.

We've got lots of interest in Sugar, and a number of people who are
setting up their own groups to work on it (weather that is Sugar
directly, or under the name of various OLPC groups).  Working out
where a local lab fits into all of the above is something I've been
spending some time thinking about recently.

My current thought is perhaps Sugar Labs is a common banner to group
contributors under, as a place for meeting, sharing and discussing
online.  They can then take that with them as they go out to trials,
deployments, and other groups.

Do you have any thoughts?

Joel

[0] offlist.  This thread is a good reminder (to me) of why it's good
to have discussions onlist
[1] I think he should be the executive officer, so we can call him the XO :)
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[IAEP] introduction - hi I'm Donna

[Donna Benjamin]

Hi all,

I've long been a passionate advocate of the OLPC project, and followed
with interest the development and creation of sugarlabs.

As conference director for linux.conf.au in Melbourne earlier this year
I oversaw the distribution of 100 XOs to delegates at the conference,
and have recently tried to follow up with them to see how they're doing.

Am also intending to continue working with XO owners, developers,
teachers and learning researchers on community development, and project
awareness in 2009. 

I'm particularly interested in cross-pollination between education
and learning experts and developers to further the development of sugar
as a platform for learning. I'm also keen to understand the cross-
cultural issues encountered during deployments so we can adapt as
necessary.

I introduced the idea of building communities of practice to some people
in the Aussie OLPC community, getting local groups of XO owners
gathering with teachers and children to work together on testing,
learning, discovering and documenting their experience.  Have already
had a few informal gatherings with some of the developers who got an XO
at LCA - intending on doing more of that too.  It would be brilliant to
tap into the broader community to get a TODO list of tasks to accomplish
and hack on.

I think a handful of you already on the list will recognise me, as I've
been drawn in on the odd conversation, so thought it was time to step
aboard and say Hi Everyone!

cheers
Donna

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Re: [IAEP] introduction - hi I'm Donna

[Martin Sevior]

Welcome Donna!

Thanks for the XO's :-) If you manage to create a meeting in Melbourne
I'll do my best to attend.

Cheers

Martin


On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Donna Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've long been a passionate advocate of the OLPC project, and followed
 with interest the development and creation of sugarlabs.

 As conference director for linux.conf.au in Melbourne earlier this year
 I oversaw the distribution of 100 XOs to delegates at the conference,
 and have recently tried to follow up with them to see how they're doing.

 Am also intending to continue working with XO owners, developers,
 teachers and learning researchers on community development, and project
 awareness in 2009.

 I'm particularly interested in cross-pollination between education
 and learning experts and developers to further the development of sugar
 as a platform for learning. I'm also keen to understand the cross-
 cultural issues encountered during deployments so we can adapt as
 necessary.

 I introduced the idea of building communities of practice to some people
 in the Aussie OLPC community, getting local groups of XO owners
 gathering with teachers and children to work together on testing,
 learning, discovering and documenting their experience.  Have already
 had a few informal gatherings with some of the developers who got an XO
 at LCA - intending on doing more of that too.  It would be brilliant to
 tap into the broader community to get a TODO list of tasks to accomplish
 and hack on.

 I think a handful of you already on the list will recognise me, as I've
 been drawn in on the odd conversation, so thought it was time to step
 aboard and say Hi Everyone!

 cheers
 Donna

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