On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 28.09.2009, at 17:36, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705)
250-0112) wrote:
J, like APL, sadly does not get the publicity that it deserves.
A fate it shares with other nice languages.
Like, err,
in Java.
I have my own gripes about Python but since my own requirements are
similar to those Caryl was asking for Python is what I use.
James Simmons
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:43:26 -0400
From: Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Which Language?
To: cbige...@hotmail.com
Jim Simmons, in part:
The original question was about developing Activities for a classroom
assignment,
with the idea that these Activities could be widely distributed.
If (big IF) J will run on XO, labs is a built in feature of J.
Ken Iverson had his stroke at 83 while at the keyboard
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:08:56AM -0400, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada
(705) 250-0112) wrote:
Jim Simmons, in part:
The original question was about developing Activities for a classroom
assignment,
with the idea that these Activities could be widely distributed.
If (big IF) J
Martin Dengler:
Since you don't know if J can run on the XO, J is not a good thing to
recommend for developing activities on the XO, right?
Wrong. J is worth investigating. J is so cross platform and so powerful
that it is a lifetime useful tool for teaching and for thought.
J, like
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:36:03AM -0400, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada
(705) 250-0112) wrote:
Martin Dengler:
Since you don't know if J can run on the XO, J is not a good thing to
recommend for developing activities on the XO, right?
Wrong. J is worth investigating.
Martin wrote:
The question was what language can be used now.
You're answering a different question.
Possibly. Depends on whether J can be used now (or soon).
I do not know the answer.
Let us assume the answer is no.
Then the next relevant J question
is whether Roger Hui et al
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 02:57:48PM -0400, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada
(705) 250-0112) wrote:
Martin wrote:
The question was what language can be used now.
You're answering a different question.
Possibly. Depends on whether J can be used now (or soon).
Only if
If all you have is a hammer, it's time to put another nail in the J coffin.
Although the J executable is a free (as in beer) download from
Jsoftware (the only place I found a downloadable J), with regard to
the source code, the J page at http://www.jsoftware.com/source.htm
states:
Fees
On 28.09.2009, at 17:36, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705)
250-0112) wrote:
J, like APL, sadly does not get the publicity that it deserves.
A fate it shares with other nice languages.
Like, err, Smalltalk.
I would not be surprised if Roger Hui were willing to create an
DancesWithCars wrote in part we have not heard what the project is
Let me clarify ... my comments are GENERAL in nature.
My preference would be to see the XO ship will several small footprint
languages.
Each of those languages have their pros cons.
From a private e-mail with an IAEP
Correction: brain RAM parity error and/or fetch error in my previous post:
Frequently I quote: If your only tool is a happy, all of your problems tend to
look like nails.
Frequently I quote: If your only tool is a hammer, ...
happy ~~ hammer
perhaps my brain was thinking XO users will be
Benjamin M. Schwartz writes:
There are other options, such as HTML+Javascript, Squeak,
and C/C++, but they each suffer from some combination of
reduced functionality, problematic cross-platform guarantees,
and increased difficulty of programming.
Let's not ignore Python, which suffers
Caryl Bigenho wrote:
So I have a question for you folks. I am in discussion with a college CS prof
who
would like to teach beginning programming with XOs. He is interested in trying
several different languages, but I am interested in pointing him toward the
one
that would result in the
to become a college counselor at
the high school I was teaching at. Haven't done much programming since.
Alas! Tried Scratch this summer... it's a lot of fun.
Caryl
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:35:59 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Which Language?
From: danceswithc...@gmail.com
To: g...@garycmartin.com
Hi All,
On Thursday, Ben wrote in the IAEP list:
My feeling is that the most important thing we can do in this area is to
make it easy to write Activities that are intrinsically cross-platform.
To borrow a phrase, one way to do this is to choose languages, and
interpreters, that are incapable
Hi Caryl,
On 26 Sep 2009, at 05:00, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
On Thursday, Ben wrote in the IAEP list:
My feeling is that the most important thing we can do in this area
is to
make it easy to write Activities that are intrinsically cross-
platform.
To borrow a phrase, one way to do this is
For a college level class, starting with Python
(as most Activities are probably Python, and
Sugar seems to be implemented in it),
but will probably drop into C (kernel and other linux
plus application stuff).
But Scratch, EToys, Emacs, etc provide some
other languages under the hood (even if in
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