Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01

2013-11-04 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: El 03/11/13 11:56, Walter Bender escribió: Does this mean one will be able to create Sugar Activities from Turtle Bocks itself? Not exactly. But you can sketch the behavior of a Sugar Activity, e.g., paint,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01

2013-11-04 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
My goal is not to replace Sugar (or Sugar activities) with Turtle Blocks, but to use Turtle Blocks to make Sugar and Sugar activities more transparent. I posit that once you have written a simple paint program in Turtle Blocks, suddenly the underlying mechanics of the Paint activity are more

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01

2013-11-04 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: My goal is not to replace Sugar (or Sugar activities) with Turtle Blocks, but to use Turtle Blocks to make Sugar and Sugar activities more transparent. I posit that once you have written a simple paint program in Turtle

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Help 17 and Help Doers Kit

2013-11-04 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Help 17 is at a point close to release, but in some essential ways, is, as yet, unfinished. It is largely updated in content, but there is still some very important changes that have not been crossed off the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Help 17 and Help Doers Kit

2013-11-04 Thread Chris Leonard
We still need a lot of L10n activity to get it fully ready for wide use in Sugar Deployments in non-English countries. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/help_content/ On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Help 17 is at a point close to

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Help 17 and Help Doers Kit

2013-11-04 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
+1 We need improve the final pieces to get the localization done. Kalpa and I did part of the work in the activity itself, the missing part is the pootle stuff. Gonzalo On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: We still need a lot of L10n activity to get

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new for both users and developers, see the release notes http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes Sources:

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
I don't have much of a clue about Write but... can you send the activity log? On 4 November 2013 16:14, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have much of a clue about Write but... can you send the activity log? It unfortunately only contains a single line: Terminated by signal 11, pid 14089 data (None, open file 'fdopen', mode 'w' at 0x2e13540,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
That's a segmentation fault I think. It would be good if you could launch it with sugar-launch -d and post the backtrace., possibly after having installed debug packages. On 4 November 2013 21:25, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: That's a segmentation fault I think. It would be good if you could launch it with sugar-launch -d and post the backtrace., possibly after having installed debug packages. 2Gb of debuginfo later I have the following:

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread Sean DALY
Gonzalo - I'm sorry, I was unable to attend the SLOBs meeting today. There are issues with doing PR about the release * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity work, but don't understand the

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo - I'm sorry, I was unable to attend the SLOBs meeting today. There are issues with doing PR about the release * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem seems to be at a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll open a bug + patch. On 4 November 2013 22:40, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: That's a segmentation fault I think. It would be

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll open a bug + patch. Thanks! Let me know when you've got a patch and I'll test it. Peter On 4 November 2013 22:40, Peter Robinson

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll open a bug + patch. Thanks! Let me know when you've got a patch and

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
:) On 5 November 2013 00:23, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: I poked my abiword friends, expect the commit shortly. cjl On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 5 November 2013 00:13, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then I'll

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Chris Leonard
I poked my abiword friends, expect the commit shortly. cjl On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Broken

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: * It's not clear to me where we are going. I'm afraid you are not the only one feeling that way. It's much easier said than done, but we need to figure out where we are going and to communicate it clearly inside the community.

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be essentially unusable and have a terrible experience. Can you elaborate on why you think

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread Thomas Gilliard
On 11/4/2013 4:17 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity work, but don't understand the path of transposing the value proposition of Sugar

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity work, but

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 04:40:51PM -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 11/4/2013 4:17 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting marketing effect but the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-04 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Hmm, I think we used Abi.init_noargs() in some way. Sorry, was long time ago, I can't remember ... Thanks Daniel Gonzalo On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:13, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2013 00:07,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-04 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi… Last year at SCaLE George Hunt helped me get Sugar running on my RPi. Because our booth was so busy, it took parts of both Saturday and Sunday to get it going. I then tried it when I got home and found that it was prone to stalls. Of course, this was back in late February and there may have