[IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hello, I think Sugar Labs needs to express a clear, realistic technology roadmap. For example, we have been talking a lot about Sugar on Android, mixing a lot of different things under that name. We need to clarify what that really is. Here are my thoughts, inspired by the oversight board

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I think Sugar Labs needs to express a clear, realistic technology roadmap. For example, we have been talking a lot about Sugar on Android, mixing a lot of different things under that name. We need to clarify

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/11/6 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I think Sugar Labs needs to express a clear, realistic technology roadmap. For example, we

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I think Sugar Labs needs to express a clear, realistic technology roadmap. For example, we have been talking a lot about Sugar on Android,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Yes, but we never provided a easy way to install in classmates, or tried to approach hardware manufactures to propose them to invest on that. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: 2013/11/6 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 6 November 2013 16:12, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: * Wait and see what happens with the XO. Support existing deployments by producing images with the most recent Sugar release. Stick to a Fedora 18 base system, the work to upgrade is highly non trivial. Provide custom rpms

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for example. You mean

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/11/6 Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com: On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 6 November 2013 16:45, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: In the short term, we don't need backport Webkit2 to F18. Please elaborate :) I think developing web activities on two very different platforms (WebKit1 and WebKit2) is a bad idea, it will involve more work (and

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 November 2013 16:45, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: In the short term, we don't need backport Webkit2 to F18. Please elaborate :) I think developing web activities on two very different

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I forgot a note about toolkits * The gtk2 toolkit is deprecated and frozen but it will be supported as long as possible (at some point I guess some dependencies might start disappearing from distributions, making that

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Gstreamer 0.10 is part of what I'm calling gtk2 toolkit, it's not completely accurate but we have been using than terminology. So it seems we are going to run into the issue of gtk2 toolkit pieces disappearing earlier then I expected. I think you can move to gst 1.0 only if you already ported to

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
No. the web-server issue is already solved. If we want to support WebKit1, I think we should do it upstream then. I'm still not thrilled about that but not opposed to it either. Good. We can see what is the better way to do it. May be check the webkit version installed? Just for reference,

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Clock, Speak, and part of Memorize use gstreamer just to do text to speech. I would like to have tts provided by Sugar as a service, probably using dbus and a api in sugar-toolkit-gtk3. That would simplify these activities and solve other problems we have, like by example the keep the language

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Clock, Speak, and part of Memorize use gstreamer just to do text to speech. I would like to have tts provided by Sugar as a service, probably using dbus and a api in sugar-toolkit-gtk3. That would simplify these

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Did you run into any specific issue? On Wednesday, 6 November 2013, Walter Bender wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.orgjavascript:; wrote: Clock, Speak, and part of Memorize use gstreamer just to do text to speech. I would like to have tts provided by

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Did you run into any specific issue? It has been a while, but I had some issues with lack of introspection support with some pad stuff... will look again over the weekend. -walter On Wednesday, 6 November 2013, Walter

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Did you run into any specific issue? It has been a while, but I had some issues with lack of introspection support with some pad stuff... will

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread nanonano
/On 06/11/2013 13:31, Daniel Narvaez wrote:// //You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro?/ -- In Uruguay we have Classmates II (called Magallanes) in some High Schools,

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-06 Thread Sean DALY
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote: But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS! That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and Sebastian decided to take over marketing, which included coming up with

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-06 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 06/11/13 17:35, Sean DALY escribió: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS! That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
In F18 we can do: from gi.repository import WebKit2 but later crash, not sure where. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 November 2013 18:32, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: No. the web-server issue is already solved. If

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Yeah, is a option. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 November 2013 00:37, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: In F18 we can do: from gi.repository import WebKit2 but later crash, not sure where. Hrm, yeah, I had forgot the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Cool stuff. As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar (stable and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and testing... And they would help AC to make the transition to the next

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013-11-06 Thread David Farning
I agree :) Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan (

Re: [IAEP] [Localization] Translation Manual (in Spanish)

2013-11-06 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 29/10/13 08:18, Chris Leonard escribió: Nothing would make me happier than to take myself out of the account creation loop, but on observing the number of dummy accounts being created (and activated) each day, I reluctantly took the step fo turning off self-serve registration to protect the