Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-03-18 Thread Sam P.
I just found this interesting powerpoint from a few years ago. Slide 25 is basically a summary of this discussion: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vpid=sitessrcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxtYXJrZXRsYWJzdWdhcnxneDo0Y2U3ODFjZDczMmU1Mjlh Thanks, Sam On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:16 AM Gonzalo Odiard

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-03-18 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Talking about good marketing, daniel g. siegel shared this today: http://www.dgsiegel.net/news/2015_03_18-lego's_1981_ad_campaign I think we should look at this creation moments in kids using Sugar, and not limit that to programming only. There are a lot of creative, wonderful, and happy people

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-03-18 Thread Sean DALY
cc'ing the Marketing list - the one everyone forgets as soon as they discuss marketing. The MarketLab study we worked on back then confirmed what we already knew - that Sugar's websites did not accompany teachers interested in Sugar, and that Sugar absolutely needed a simple installer. They also

[IAEP] OLPC and Sugar numbers

2015-03-18 Thread Dan Tenason
The recent posts on the Future of Sugar have been insightful. Mr Daly's comments on marketing have been particularly poignant. Both OLPC and Sugar Labs have been calling for more money, more developers, more time to solve their problems. Both organizations have suffered due to a lack of

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel, Greenfeld)

2015-03-18 Thread Walter Bender
Tony, I don't agree with your characterization of Sugar. We've never built in any assumptions about connectivity into the GUI, core system, or core activities (even the web activities all run off disk. The decision to migrate to GTK3 was made for technical reasons -- which you may disagree with

[IAEP] Fwd: Announcing OLPC OS 13.2.3 for XO-1.75 and XO-4

2015-03-18 Thread Adam Holt
Many Thanks James Testers ! From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Date: Mar 18, 2015 10:11 PM Subject: Announcing OLPC OS 13.2.3 for XO-1.75 and XO-4 To: de...@lists.laptop.org G'day, We're pleased to announce the release of OLPC OS 13.2.3 for XO-1.75 and XO-4. It is Sugar 0.104 on Fedora

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel, Greenfeld)

2015-03-18 Thread Tony Anderson
Sean, I think you are getting at what I consider the heart of the problem. SugarLabs sees Sugar as an alternative GUI for any computing device with primary efficacy in the developed, internet-connected world. This goal is understandable since the XOs have a limited life and so Sugar must be

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel, Greenfeld)

2015-03-18 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Walter This could lead to a most unproductive discussion. My main point is that there should be focus on what new educational opportunities we are offering to our users. I am saddened to see such wonderful new activities developed using the web technology which are totally unavailable to