Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Claudia Urrea
Agree with Tony. The vision is about the goal we are trying to accomplish
for children (and teachers) around the world, but the mechanism or
strategies the organization needs to put in place in order to get there.

Claudia (re-sent message)

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Tony Anderson 
wrote:

> Hi, Laura
>
> Unfortunately, this is not my vision of Sugar Labs or Sugar. I see Sugar
> as an educational opportunity provided to users of the OLPC XO
> and others. Naturally, it takes software engineers to develop and maintain
> this software, but the vision must be about the result - Sugar and the
> benefits if offers in an educational setting.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 06/19/2016 05:06 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each member of
> SLOB.
>
> On 3 June 2016 at 14:25, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
>> I hereby propose the motion to update current SL vision statement:
>>
>> "About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member project
>> of Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. Originally part
>> of the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs coordinates volunteers
>> around the world who are passionate about providing educational
>> opportunities to children through the Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar
>> Labs(R) is supported by donations and is seeking funding to accelerate
>> development."
>>
>> To the new proposed text:
>>
>> "Sugar Labs is a global community where you can learn how to design,
>> develop and deploy high-quality Free/Libre Software that facilitates
>> self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration among young children
>> of all continents."
>>
>> What is the problem we are trying to solve?
>>
>> - Current Vision Statement is not wrong – but certainly is not inspiring
>> or unique.
>> - Current Vision fails to define what we do as an output: we provide
>> infrastructure so that a community of people can produce and deliver
>> software to children.
>> - Current Vision fails to identify our unique "selling"
>> points: self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration among young
>> children of all continents.
>>
>> Blessings and thank you very much for your attention.
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>
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>>
>> Happy Learning!
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 June 2016 at 14:11, Tony Anderson  wrote:
> On 20 June 2016 at 11:17, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> > On 20 June 2016 at 03:23, Tony Anderson  wrote:
> > >
> > > I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs.
> >
> > You already said that, but I am concerned with your position on the
> > original. Laura quoted this in her email above, and it is on the wiki at
> > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mission
> >
> > "About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member project of
> > Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. Originally part of
> > the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs coordinates volunteers around
> > the world who are passionate about providing educational opportunities to
> > children through the Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar Labs(R) is supported by
> > donations and is seeking funding to accelerate development."
> >
> > Do you have any issue with this statement?
>
> It describes what we do. A mission statement usually describes the
> organizations goal, what it is trying to accomplish.

Please write what you think the statement should be as a reply to this email.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 June 2016 at 12:00, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
> Could someone find and post the current vision statement? After Wed when
> they finally come to hook up my slow, but very expensive, Internet
> connection, I'll be able to comment on the vision statement and possible
> additions and changes.

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016 currently says:



Sugar is high-quality software for learning, especially by younger children.

Sugar is designed for use by people who do not yet have regular or
reliable internet access.

The Sugar Desktop runs on inexpensive desktop and laptop computers
that have modest capacity, such as the XO-1 "$100 Laptop" developed by
One Laptop per Child (OLPC).

A web-based version is under development for tablets and phones,
called Sugarizer.

Sugar Activities are applications that run in Sugarizer or the Sugar Desktop.

Sugar Activities encourage learning through self-discovery and
encourage collaboration, expression, and reflection.

Sugar realises the educational vision of Seymour Papert and Alan Kay
by providing a low floor and no ceiling.

Every Sugar Activity respects every user's freedom to run, study,
modify and redistribute it using software licenses compatible with the
GNU General Public License (GPL) Version 3 or later.

Sugar development began in 2006 at OLPC, and in 2009 Sugar Labs was
established in service to the Sugar community as a volunteer-led and
non-profit project.

In 2016 the Sugar community is global, and we at Sugar Labs aspire to
include users and contributors in all countries, all languages, and
all cultures.

We facilitate knowledge and software sharing among all people; we
relate the software freedom movement to education.

We provide plans for how to best use Sugar to improve learning,
intended for individual parents and teachers all the way to national
policy.

We raise funds and use them to accelerate the progress of our Members,
enabling them to access laptops, travel, and more.

We make things to think with.

Join us.










https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mission_proposal_2016 currently says:



To be a welcoming global community where anyone can learn how to
develop high-quality libre software that facilitates learning through
self-discovery and collaboration among young children of all
continents, and to make that software easily available to learners and
teachers.



The mission of Sugar Labs is to produce, distribute, and support the
use of the Sugar learning platform; it is a support base and gathering
place for the community of educators and developers to create, extend,
teach, and learn with the Sugar learning platform.

Sugar is based on the following principles:

everyone is a teacher and a learner;
humans by their nature are social beings;
humans by their nature are expressive;
you learn through doing; and
love is a better master than duty.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On Jun 20, 2016 11:57 AM, "Sean DALY"  wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>> "About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member project
of Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. Originally part
of the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs coordinates volunteers
around the world who are passionate about providing educational
opportunities to children through the Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar
Labs(R) is supported by donations and is seeking funding to accelerate
development."
>
>
>
> To be clear, this has been our PR "About..." boilerplate since 2009. A
Mission statement would be more concise.

What was the mission statement since 2009?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Tony Anderson

Hi, Dave

It describes what we do. A mission statement usually describes the 
organizations goal, what it is trying to accomplish.


Tony

On 06/20/2016 05:17 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi

On 20 June 2016 at 03:23, Tony Anderson > wrote:



I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs.


You already said that, but I am concerned with your position on the 
original. Laura quoted this in her email above, and it is on the wiki 
at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mission


"About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member 
project of Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. 
Originally part of the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs 
coordinates volunteers around the world who are passionate about 
providing educational opportunities to children through the Sugar 
Learning Platform. Sugar Labs(R) is supported by donations and is 
seeking funding to accelerate development."


Do you have any issue with this statement?

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Could someone find and post the current vision statement? After Wed when they 
finally come to hook up my slow, but very expensive, Internet connection, I'll 
be able to comment on the vision statement and possible additions and changes.

Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
>> On 20 June 2016 at 03:23, Tony Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs.
> 
> You already said that, but I am concerned with your position on the original. 
> Laura quoted this in her email above, and it is on the wiki at 
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mission
> 
> "About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member project of 
> Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. Originally part of the 
> One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs coordinates volunteers around the 
> world who are passionate about providing educational opportunities to 
> children through the Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar Labs(R) is supported by 
> donations and is seeking funding to accelerate development."
> 
> Do you have any issue with this statement?
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> Dave
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Sean DALY
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> "About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member project
> of Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. Originally part
> of the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs coordinates volunteers
> around the world who are passionate about providing educational
> opportunities to children through the Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar
> Labs(R) is supported by donations and is seeking funding to accelerate
> development."



To be clear, this has been our PR "About..." boilerplate since 2009. A
Mission statement would be more concise.

Sean
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi

On 20 June 2016 at 03:23, Tony Anderson  wrote:

>
> I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs.
>

You already said that, but I am concerned with your position on the
original. Laura quoted this in her email above, and it is on the wiki at
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mission

"About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member project of
Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. Originally part of
the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs coordinates volunteers around
the world who are passionate about providing educational opportunities to
children through the Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar Labs(R) is supported by
donations and is seeking funding to accelerate development."

Do you have any issue with this statement?

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread José Miguel García
Hola!
Estoy de acuerdo con lo que plantean Tony, Claudia.
Entiendo que el foco debe estar en las nuevas formas de aprender de los
niños.

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2016-06-20 4:23 GMT-03:00 Tony Anderson :

> Hi, Dave
>
> This email is a clear example of the confusion we are having. You describe
> it as a mission statement (not a vision statement).
> However, your title describes an 'update' to the current Sugar Labs vision
> statement. Could you provide the text of what you believe is the current
> Sugar Labs vision statement that is to be updated?
>
> This is the version I was responding to, which seems to be a re-write by
> you of Laura's statement:
>
> "Sugar Labs is a global community where you can learn how to design,
> develop and deploy high-quality Free/Libre Software that facilitates
> self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration among young children
> of all continents."
>
> I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs. This
> makes us sound like a community for training adult software developers. Our
> vision needs to be of the educational advantages which we want our
> product,Sugar to provide. This product is designed to facilitate learning
> by young (grade school) learners based on ideas from Seymour Papert and
> Alan Kay.
>
> I agree strongly that work with and on Sugar can lead to learning
> technical computer skills. I try to emphasize that in presentations and
> workshops that in the XO, the user has free access to all of the latest
> software: using the command line, building scripts, programming in Python,
> developing web sites with HTML, CSS, and Javascript, developing
> administrative skills in networking and system maintenance.
> However, this is not the *ra**ison d'etre* for Sugar.
>
> Tony
>
> On 06/20/2016 05:29 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
>
> On 19 June 2016 at 13:20, Tony Anderson  wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, this is not my vision of Sugar Labs or Sugar. I see Sugar
>> as an educational opportunity provided to users of the OLPC XO
>> and others. Naturally, it takes software engineers to develop and
>> maintain this software, but the vision must be about the result - Sugar and
>> the
>> benefits if offers in an educational setting.
>>
>
> Do you think the existing mission statement that Laura quoted above
> conveys this result adequately?
>
> I am unsure if you think the mission should be changed, or kept the same.
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-20 Thread Tony Anderson

Hi, Dave

This email is a clear example of the confusion we are having. You 
describe it as a mission statement (not a vision statement).
However, your title describes an 'update' to the current Sugar Labs 
vision statement. Could you provide the text of what you believe is the 
current Sugar Labs vision statement that is to be updated?


This is the version I was responding to, which seems to be a re-write by 
you of Laura's statement:


"Sugar Labs is a global community where you can learn how to design, 
develop and deploy high-quality Free/LibreSoftware that facilitates 
self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration among young 
children of all continents."


I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs. 
This makes us sound like a community for training adult software 
developers. Our vision needs to be of the educational advantages which 
we want our product,Sugar to provide. This product is designed to 
facilitate learning by young (grade school) learners based on ideas from 
Seymour Papert and Alan Kay.


I agree strongly that work with and on Sugar can lead to learning 
technical computer skills. I try to emphasize that in presentations and 
workshops that in the XO, the user has free access to all of the latest 
software: using the command line, building scripts, programming in 
Python, developing web sites with HTML, CSS, and Javascript, developing 
administrative skills in networking and system maintenance.

However, this is not the /ra//ison d'etre/ for Sugar.

Tony

On 06/20/2016 05:29 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 19 June 2016 at 13:20, Tony Anderson > wrote:


Unfortunately, this is not my vision of Sugar Labs or Sugar. I see
Sugar as an educational opportunity provided to users of the OLPC XO
and others. Naturally, it takes software engineers to develop and
maintain this software, but the vision must be about the result -
Sugar and the
benefits if offers in an educational setting.


Do you think the existing mission statement that Laura quoted above 
conveys this result adequately?


I am unsure if you think the mission should be changed, or kept the same.


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19 June 2016 at 13:20, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> Unfortunately, this is not my vision of Sugar Labs or Sugar. I see Sugar
> as an educational opportunity provided to users of the OLPC XO
> and others. Naturally, it takes software engineers to develop and maintain
> this software, but the vision must be about the result - Sugar and the
> benefits if offers in an educational setting.
>

Do you think the existing mission statement that Laura quoted above conveys
this result adequately?

I am unsure if you think the mission should be changed, or kept the same.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

2016-06-19 Thread Tony Anderson

Hi, Laura

Unfortunately, this is not my vision of Sugar Labs or Sugar. I see Sugar 
as an educational opportunity provided to users of the OLPC XO
and others. Naturally, it takes software engineers to develop and 
maintain this software, but the vision must be about the result - Sugar 
and the

benefits if offers in an educational setting.

Tony

On 06/19/2016 05:06 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

Hi

I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each member 
of SLOB.


On 3 June 2016 at 14:25, Laura Vargas > wrote:


I hereby propose the motion to update current SL vision statement:

"About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member
project of Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation.
Originally part of the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs
coordinates volunteers around the world who are passionate about
providing educational opportunities to children through the Sugar
Learning Platform. Sugar Labs(R) is supported by donations and is
seeking funding to accelerate development."

To the new proposed text:

"Sugar Labs is a global community where you can learn how to
design, develop and deploy high-quality Free/LibreSoftware that
facilitates self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration
among young children of all continents."

What is the problem we are trying to solve?

- Current Vision Statement is not wrong – but certainly is not
inspiring or unique.
- Current Vision fails to define what we do as an output: we
provide infrastructure so that a community of people can produce
and deliver software to children.
- Current Vision fails to identify our unique "selling"
points: self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration
among young children of all continents.

Blessings and thank you very much for your attention.
-- 
Laura V.

I SomosAZUCAR.Org

Identi.ca/Skype acaire
IRC kaametza

Happy Learning!


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