Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[Samson Goddy]

Please i encourage people that haven't voted yet should please do. As SFC
promise to wire transfer on Monday if  this motion pass on or before Sunday.

Samson

On Aug 12, 2017 1:00 AM, "James Cameron"  wrote:

> I'm not a board member, or a member, but my opinion is that Sugar Labs
> should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for Samson Goddy.
>
> Having said that, I'm going off topic in reply to Laura below;
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 09:08:06AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> > I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
> > responsible for Google's collections.
>
> Disagree.  The oversight board is responsible.  Jointly and severally;
> which means each board member is responsible, and the board as a whole
> is responsible.  As an organisation with no staff, the board is all
> there is.
>
> > Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a
> > lot of opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on
> > Trip Advisor's case when lack of clear responsibility for collection
> > let to an unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for
> > internationalization's projects.
> >
> > Responsibility isn't clear at this point.
>
> Disagree.  The oversight board is responsible.
>
> > About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on
> > July's decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for
> > the role.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Regardless of whether a Finance Manager is appointed, the board
> remains responsible.  The board can't shift that responsibility by
> appointing a Finance Manager.
>
> However, a Finance Manager can greatly help the board, so my
> recommendation is that the board appoint one as they had intended.
>
> > In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the representative
> > for Sugar Labs with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last
> > period. Still, this role doesn't account for any financial
> > responsibility according to current [3] Governance.
> >
> > I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve
> > any financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping
> > to revert by proposing the Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial
> > Manager to have a monthly compensation.
>
> I'll reply to this on the other thread.
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[James Cameron]

I'm not a board member, or a member, but my opinion is that Sugar Labs
should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for Samson Goddy.

Having said that, I'm going off topic in reply to Laura below;

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 09:08:06AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
> responsible for Google's collections.

Disagree.  The oversight board is responsible.  Jointly and severally;
which means each board member is responsible, and the board as a whole
is responsible.  As an organisation with no staff, the board is all
there is.

> Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a
> lot of opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on
> Trip Advisor's case when lack of clear responsibility for collection
> let to an unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for
> internationalization's projects.
> 
> Responsibility isn't clear at this point.

Disagree.  The oversight board is responsible.

> About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on
> July's decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for
> the role.

Agreed.

Regardless of whether a Finance Manager is appointed, the board
remains responsible.  The board can't shift that responsibility by
appointing a Finance Manager.

However, a Finance Manager can greatly help the board, so my
recommendation is that the board appoint one as they had intended.

> In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the representative
> for Sugar Labs with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last
> period. Still, this role doesn't account for any financial
> responsibility according to current [3] Governance.
> 
> I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve
> any financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping
> to revert by proposing the Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial
> Manager to have a monthly compensation.

I'll reply to this on the other thread.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[Caryl Bigenho]

Why are most of these messages coming through with no content? Messages from 
Walter, Avni, and Laura had headers and footers only, no other content.


Caryl


From: IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Laura Vargas 
<la...@somosazucar.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:08:06 AM
To: Avni Khatri
Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Samuel Cantero; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios 
y administradores; SLOBs; iaep
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed



2017-08-11 8:54 GMT-05:00 Avni Khatri 
<a...@kidsoncomputers.org<mailto:a...@kidsoncomputers.org>>:


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero 
<scante...@gmail.com<mailto:scante...@gmail.com>> wrote:
mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a board 
member but +1 for sure.


+1


Hello Avni,

I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is responsible 
for Google's collections.

Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a lot of 
opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on Trip Advisor's case 
when lack of clear responsibility for collection let to an unbelievable lack of 
collection of US$40.000 for internationalization's projects.

Responsibility isn't clear at this point.

About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on July's 
decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for the role.

In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the representative for Sugar 
Labs with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last period. Still, this role 
doesn't account for any financial responsibility according to current 
Governance<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance>.

I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve any 
financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping to revert by 
proposing the Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly 
compensation.



Regards,
Laura V



On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender 
<walter.ben...@gmail.com<mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas 
<la...@somosazucar.org<mailto:la...@somosazucar.org>> wrote:
Walter,

-1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we participated 
still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we will collect 
Google's funds this time.

Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that we 
have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.

The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to represent SL 
at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.

-walter


Regards



2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender 
<walter.ben...@gmail.com<mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>>:
I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so 
please respond ASAP.

Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to the 
Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance to cover 
the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire fees comes to 
$US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As additional 
background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel expenses for two 
representatives to attend the summit. Since our other representative is local 
to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be available to cover Samson's 
travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be negligible.

regards.

-walter


-- Forwarded message --
From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy 
<account...@sfconservancy.org<mailto:account...@sfconservancy.org>>
Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance for 
Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
To: su...@sfconservancy.org<mailto:su...@sfconservancy.org>
Cc: Martin Michlmayr <g...@sfconservancy.org<mailto:g...@sfconservancy.org>>, 
Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com<mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com>>


Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.

Samson,

Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> it has been 5 days, i already made request to 
> su...@sfconservancy.org<mailto:su...@sfconservancy.org> for
> funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy to
> accept appointment for interview.
>
> I haven't heard anything from both parties.

Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.

SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:

  FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
  FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
  2017).  The totals are as foll

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[Laura Vargas]

2017-08-11 8:54 GMT-05:00 Avni Khatri :

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero 
> wrote:
>
>> mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a
>> board member but +1 for sure.
>>
>>
> +1
>


Hello Avni,

I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
responsible for Google's collections.

Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a lot of
opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on Trip Advisor's
case when lack of clear responsibility for collection let to an
unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for internationalization's
projects.

Responsibility isn't clear at this point.

About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on July's
decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for the role.

In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the *representative for
Sugar Labs* with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last period. Still,
this role doesn't account for any financial responsibility according to
current Governance .

I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve any
financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping to revert
by proposing the

*Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly
compensation.*

Regards,
Laura V



>
>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Walter,

 -1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we
 participated still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we
 will collect Google's funds this time.

>>>
>>> Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact
>>> that we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.
>>>
>>> The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to
>>> represent SL at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>


 Regards



 2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :

> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
> so please respond ASAP.
>
> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
> to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
> advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including
> wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
> advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in
> travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our
> other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would
> be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will
> be negligible.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
> account...@sfconservancy.org>
> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 
> ?)
> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section
> below.
>
> Samson,
>
> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to
> su...@sfconservancy.org for
> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the
> embassy to
> > accept appointment for interview.
> >
> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>
> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>
> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>
>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
> ASKS
>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>
>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>
>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to
> be wired.
>wire fees
>
> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night
> US/Eastern, we
> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>
>
> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial
> effort for
> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees
> 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[Avni Khatri]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero  wrote:

> mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a
> board member but +1 for sure.
>
>
+1


> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Walter,
>>>
>>> -1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we
>>> participated still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we
>>> will collect Google's funds this time.
>>>
>>
>> Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that
>> we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.
>>
>> The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to
>> represent SL at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>>>
 I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
 so please respond ASAP.

 Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
 to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
 advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including
 wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
 advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in
 travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our
 other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would
 be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will
 be negligible.

 regards.

 -walter


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
 account...@sfconservancy.org>
 Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
 Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
 for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
 To: su...@sfconservancy.org
 Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
 samsongo...@gmail.com>


 Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section
 below.

 Samson,

 Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
 > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
 for
 > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the
 embassy to
 > accept appointment for interview.
 >
 > I haven't heard anything from both parties.

 Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
 approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.

 SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:

   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
 ASKS
   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
   2017).  The totals are as follows:

   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)

   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
 wired.
wire fees

 If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern,
 we
 can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.


 We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial
 effort for
 us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
 it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.

 Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong
 totals
 above, please correct them.

 Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
 request,
 could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
 still correct, and if not, send me new ones?

 --
 Bradley M. Kuhn
 Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
 Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/



 --
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[Samuel Cantero]

mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a
board member but +1 for sure.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Walter,
>>
>> -1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we
>> participated still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we
>> will collect Google's funds this time.
>>
>
> Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that
> we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.
>
> The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to represent
> SL at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
>>> so please respond ASAP.
>>>
>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>>> negligible.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>>> account...@sfconservancy.org>
>>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>>> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>>> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>>
>>> Samson,
>>>
>>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
>>> for
>>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>>> to
>>> > accept appointment for interview.
>>> >
>>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>>
>>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>>
>>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>>> ASKS
>>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>>
>>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>>
>>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>>> wired.
>>>wire fees
>>>
>>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern,
>>> we
>>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>>
>>>
>>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>>> for
>>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>>
>>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>>> above, please correct them.
>>>
>>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>>> request,
>>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> 
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
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