COBOL is an obvious cash cow to be milked to death was Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Bill Klein
Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote in message news:mq7tc51ajbefs2n1tc5e769m2gb2aep...@4ax.com... On 8 Oct 2009 14:08:24 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: snip It could be done much snippage For those in IBM-MAIN who don't follow such things. Clark has had long

Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Bill Klein
When it comes specifically to 64-bit COBOL, the biggest issue (IMHO) is mixing of 31-(and/or 24-)bit COBOL with 64-bit COBOL. It is my impression (and I do NOT speak for IBM) that IBM is aware of the desire for 64-bit COBOL, but that (given the LE, not z/OS restriction on mixed 31-/64-bit) code,

AUTO: Angelo Corridori is out of the office.

2009-10-09 Thread Angelo Corridori
I am out of the office until 10/19/2009. I will respond to your message when I return. Primarily working from home; limited access to e-mail/phonemail. Call me at home (845-297-5196) or send an e-mail if you need to get touch with me. Note: This is an automated response to your message

Leonard Sasso/GIS/CSC is Out-of-the-Office.

2009-10-09 Thread Leonard Sasso
I will be out of the office starting 10/09/2009 and will not return until 10/12/2009. If you require immediate attention please contact Deb Hext (518) 257-4212, Tony Alfonso (518) 257-4640 or Joyce Brooks (518) 257-4208 . You may also contact my Team Lead, Sharon King (518) 257-4784 or my

Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Michael Knigge
All, I currently try to find a obscure memory leak in one of our applications. After some days our appl occupies ~17.000 pages of real memory (needs just ~1.500 after startup). As we track all malloc(), calloc(), realloc() and free() function calls, I can say that there is no obvious

Re: Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Rob Scott
Michael, Have you tried taking an in-flight dump (z/OS command : DUMP COMM=('foo') ) of the address space and then running IPCS against it to see where the storage is being used (VERBX VSMDATA and RSMDATA would be good place to start). Rob Scott Developer Rocket Software 275 Grove Street *

Re: Password?

2009-10-09 Thread Robert S. Hansel (RSH)
Ray, I don't have an explanation for the panel, but this event raises an interesting question. Do you leave you work station logged on and unlocked when you leave the office at night such that someone else could use it to access the network and email system under your ID and authority and with

Why no arm statement inside?

2009-10-09 Thread Tommy Tsui
Hi all, After I defined the ARM policy and activiate it but nothing inside ? I already defined the restart element in ARM policy. anything I missing? SETXCF COUPLE,PCOUPLE=(SYS1.ARMCDS01),TYPE=ARM IXC309I SETXCF COUPLE,PCOUPLE REQUEST FOR ARM WAS ACCEPTED IEF196I IEF237I 982E ALLOCATED TO

Re: FEX (Find EXpression)

2009-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4acb1a23.4010...@gmail.com, on 10/06/2009 at 06:21 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said: Does SimpList add this regex find What he described is not a regex find, although it does borrow some syntax. Has anybody ported PCRE to z/OS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

Re: IBM 1401 Announcement, 50th Anniversary today, Oct 5th

2009-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In f62a8029ba9f4bf689c9e44f5f8eb...@afg, on 10/05/2009 at 08:53 AM, Andreas F. Geissbuehler afg0...@videotron.ca said: Autocoder was/is the name of the 1401 Assembler: c/the/a/ You're forgetting SPS; Autocoder required more hardware. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Re: Job name standards (Was: multiple jobs / same name)

2009-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%200910031526437940.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 10/03/2009 at 03:26 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: There's a smoldering need here for a means to pass arbitrary name/value pairs from JCL to job processing components other than by steganographic jobname coding. SJF.

Re: FEX (Find EXpression)

2009-10-09 Thread Rich Smrcina
I recall having an email conversation with someone that was working on porting the Hobbit (now Xymon) network systems monitor to z/OS. It has a prereq for PCRE. I'll check with him to see if he got it working. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 4acb1a23.4010...@gmail.com, on 10/06/2009

SV: Multiple jobs/same name

2009-10-09 Thread Thomas Berg
The help function in SDSF has always been somewhat byzantine... I think they looked at it as: was it hard to code, it should be hard to use :) Regards, Thomas Berg __ Thomas Berg Specialist IT-U SWEDBANK -Ursprungligt meddelande-

Re: Multiple jobs/same name

2009-10-09 Thread Bob Shannon
The help function in SDSF has always been somewhat byzantine... I think they looked at it as: was it hard to code, it should be hard to use :) I think they decided to use the OS/2 model of only having online documentation. There is an old user's guide from years ago that is helpful but no

Re: Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Michael Knigge
Have you tried taking an in-flight dump (z/OS command : DUMP COMM=('foo') ) of the address space and then running IPCS against it to see where the storage is being used (VERBX VSMDATA and RSMDATA would be good place to start). I've never used IPCS :-( But I'm afraid in this case I have to use

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Don Higgins
Here is example of what is possible as far as generating 64 z9/z10 instructions, extended HFP, BFP, and DFP floating point, and 31 digit packed and zoned decimal. With NOTRUNC, a 64 bit add for 1 byte literals can be done with single AGSI instruction as shown below. The use of 64 bit

Re: Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Rob Scott
If you are leaking in the C program (I am assuming it is LE) then you might see just some large chunks allocated to the heap (subpool 2 maybenot sure). If that is the case then maybe the VERBX LEDATA IPCS command will help (IIRC you will have to provide the TCB address). Disclaimer : I am a

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Lloyd Fuller
There needs to be an expectation level set here: 64 bit addressing does not equal 64 bit arithmetic. You can use the 64 bit arithmetic instructions WITHOUT using 64 bit addressing. Our product does it all of the time. You just need to be running on the correct architecture to use the 64 bit

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
EXACTLY. That was why I asked the question in the first place. It is a matter of using the all facilities that are available, and 64-bit arithmetic instructions are just one of the z/Architecture instruction enhancements that COBOL/PL1 generated code could use without any problem in a 31-bit

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread john gilmore
At last! Lloyd Fuller has made the crucial point. It should, but probably will not, put an end to this jejune discussion. There is no real connection between AMODE(64) and 64-bit arithmetic operations. IBM Enterprise COBOL could support, say, 64-bit/doubleword signed binary integer

Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Dana Mitchell
I am researching IP print solutions, to replace some quite old impact line printers, and I recently stumbled upon the manual for NPF while working on our z/OS 1.11 install. I don't recall ever reading or hearing about this before. At first glance it appears to be a way to drive LPD printers

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:33:01 -0700, Lloyd Fuller wrote: There needs to be an expectation level set here: 64 bit addressing does not equal 64 bit arithmetic. You can use the 64 bit arithmetic instructions WITHOUT using 64 bit addressing. Our product does it all of the time. You just need to

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Don Leahy
Small correction: Cobol calls it reference modification. A substring by another name... On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:15 AM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com wrote: At last! SNIP These things said, it must also be conceded that the important new features that IBM has added to Enterprise

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/9/2009 8:27:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dmit...@shazam.net writes: although it seems to have been around for quite some time. If anyone could share info on NPF with me I would greatly appreciate it. Think most of this was beaten down a few years ago and is

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Ward, Mike S
If you use dest:IPxxx.yyy.xx.nnn what type of software or device do you need at the other end? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re:

Speed up DYNALLOC ?

2009-10-09 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi One of our customer insists to create dynamically, from a C++ application , several 1000 small files. Any method to speed up this allocation ? -- Miklos Szigetvari Development Team ISIS Information Systems Gmbh tel: (+43) 2236 27551 570 Fax: (+43) 2236 21081 E-mail:

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions? At last! Lloyd Fuller

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/9/2009 9:22:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mw...@ssfcu.org writes: If you use dest:IPxxx.yyy.xx.nnn what type of software or device do you need at the other end? For line mode data nothing extra. Modern print engines are highly customizable and queue names are

Re: Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi We are also around dynalloc from C/C++, but You are saying 17000 pages , but the used storage also high ? (RPTSTG(ON)) So is it a reall a memory leak (HEAPC(ON,0,0,20)) or just a high real storage usage ? The LE runtime HEAPOOL(ALIGN) can make big differences . Michael Knigge wrote:

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread a.watthey
Dana, That's probably because, being IP, it is usually discussed on TCPIP-L. However, back to your question. It comes as part of the base so costs nothing and does what it says on the tin. It has a JES component that takes batch output off the spool (via FSS) and writes it to datasets. It has

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Ward, Mike S
So you're saying that a windows network printer can receive the data an print it? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Experience with NPF

Re: Job name standards (Was: multiple jobs / same name)

2009-10-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:52:00 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: There's a smoldering need here for a means to pass arbitrary name/value pairs from JCL to job processing components other than by steganographic jobname coding. SJF. Unfortunately, IBM has only documented its use for DD and

Re: Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Michael Knigge
We are also around dynalloc from C/C++, but You are saying 17000 pages , but the used storage also high ? (RPTSTG(ON)) So is it a reall a memory leak (HEAPC(ON,0,0,20)) or just a high real storage usage ? The LE runtime HEAPOOL(ALIGN) can make big differences . I'll give this a try

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/9/2009 9:43:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mw...@ssfcu.org writes: So you're saying that a windows network printer can receive the data an print it? Lots of 'properly configured' presumptions but yes in general.

Re: Speed up DYNALLOC ?

2009-10-09 Thread Edward Jaffe
Miklos Szigetvari wrote: One of our customer insists to create dynamically, from a C++ application , several 1000 small files. Any method to speed up this allocation ? If it helped DB2, it should help you. Add this to DIAGxx: Vsm UseZosV1R9Rules(NO) /* Use faster GETMAIN/FREEMAIN*/ --

Re: Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Clark Morris
On 9 Oct 2009 01:35:23 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: All, I currently try to find a obscure memory leak in one of our applications. After some days our appl occupies ~17.000 pages of real memory (needs just ~1.500 after startup). As we track all malloc(), calloc(), realloc()

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:32 -0400, a.watthey wrote: If you want to do data transforms then you will need to get Infoprint which costs money. The two products are quite similar in many respects. Extensive data transforms can be accomplished in an Input Record Exit - I did one of those back in

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:31:19 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I wouldn't go that far. Is DFP really going to perform better than packed-decimal? Floating point of any kind has always been a large CPU consumer, and somehow I doubt that either BFP or DFP are going to change that pattern. ...

Re: Speed up DYNALLOC ?

2009-10-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:57:38 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: Miklos Szigetvari wrote: One of our customer insists to create dynamically, from a C++ application , several 1000 small files. Any method to speed up this allocation ? If it helped DB2, it should help you. Add this to DIAGxx: Vsm

Re: Why no arm statement inside?

2009-10-09 Thread Guy Gardoit
Obviously, no potential ARM users (products) have been set up to utilize Automatic Restart Management. The Automatic part is Restart, not joining the fray. Hope that helps. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, After I defined the ARM policy and

Re: IBM Mainframes Draw Antitrust Scrutiny

2009-10-09 Thread Guy Gardoit
The government idiots should be looking at MicroSoft, not IBM. Oh wait, who did MicroSoft support in the last USA election? On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote: IBM Mainframes Draw Antitrust Scrutiny Trade group says it's been contacted by investigators seeking

Re: Speed up DYNALLOC ?

2009-10-09 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi I agree, but they insist to use unique seq files. No PDS no VSAM no Unix HFS Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:57:38 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: Miklos Szigetvari wrote: One of our customer insists to create dynamically, from a C++ application , several 1000 small

Re: Speed up DYNALLOC ?

2009-10-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:19:02 +0200, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: I agree, but they insist to use unique seq files. No PDS no VSAM no Unix HFS Cap their resource use. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Speed up DYNALLOC ?

2009-10-09 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi I'm trying this out, we had the DEFAULT YES, but I don't see any performance difference till now Edward Jaffe wrote: Miklos Szigetvari wrote: One of our customer insists to create dynamically, from a C++ application , several 1000 small files. Any method to speed up this allocation

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Dana
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:10:17 EDT, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote: suffice or from JCL 'DEST:IP=xxx.yyy.xx.'. Ed, What else needs to be setup to get this to work? I ran a job with that and the output is sitting in the output queue with DEST IP.The only reference I can find to

Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Bill Klein
Lots of good performance improvement comments snipped One more time, Have you created either a SHARE requirement or a marketing REQUEST for any of the specific compiler changes to get performance improvements in Enterprise COBOL (specifically those using higher ALS instructions)? If not, why

Re: Why no arm statement inside?

2009-10-09 Thread Chris Mason
Tommy Back in 2001 I researched the use of ARM as a complement to the VIPARANGE flavour of dynamic VIPA. As Guy just about hinted, there is both an ARM policy and ARM-using address spaces. In order to support programs which were not, as it were, ARM- enabled I created some utilities to perform

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Ward, Mike S
That was what happened to me also. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dana Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Experience with NPF On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:10:17 EDT, Ed Finnell

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Barkow, Eileen
I am not sure if yours is the same situation, but we have to be able to use printer netnames as destids and In order to do this a JES $ADD command has to be issued to associate the name with the actual DESTID that was Defined for the device. $ADD DESTID(IPM),DEST=U Associates IPM

Re: Why no arm statement inside?

2009-10-09 Thread Guy Gardoit
Yeah, sorry, as Chris Mason pointed out it's called Automatic Recovery Management, not Automatic Restart Manager. Same idea though. An application has to have the capability for ARM and then be defined to ARM. I've never used it for much myself since most automation packages provide much of the

Re: Speed up DYNALLOC ?

2009-10-09 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote in message news:4acf4719.8070...@isis-papyrus.com... Hi One of our customer insists to create dynamically, from a C++ application , several 1000 small files. Any method to speed up this allocation ? -- Miklos Szigetvari

Re: Why no arm statement inside?

2009-10-09 Thread Guy Gardoit
Ok, it's Friday. ARM = Automatic Restart Management. Applications or products must have the capability of registering for ARM coverage. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Guy Gardoit ggard...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, sorry, as Chris Mason pointed out it's called Automatic Recovery Management,

My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread John Norgauer
I have had the IEFACTRT exit in my test LPAR for sometime now and I see today that it's not executing. When I issue: D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT,DIAG I get: CSV464I 11.25.36 PROG,EXIT DISPLAY 116 EXIT SYS.IEFACTRT MODULESTATE EPADDRLOADPTLENGTHJOB IEFACTRTA 85303000

Re: Why no arm statement inside?

2009-10-09 Thread Chris Mason
Guy Thanks for the correction. Actually it's a correction to my 8-year old document. I just didn't bother to check this time around - nor, it would appear, ever since I wrote it! I hope my customer forgave me - if one of the later system programmers ever bothered to read it! Maybe I should

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Kirk Wolf
Does anyone have any estimates (guesses) as to what performance gains would result from generating 64-bit grande arithmetic instructions? If it is significant, it would seem to me to be an opportunity for some software vendor to have a tool that reads ADATA and assembler output and generates

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread Terri E Shaffer
Did you tell smf to use it? in your SMFPRMxx DDCONS(NO) SYS(NOTYPE(4,5,19,20,34,35,40,99),INTERVAL(SMF,SYNC), EXITS(IEFACTRT,IEFUJI,IEFUJV,IEFUSI,IEFU83,IEFU84,IEFUTL)) SUBSYS(STC,EXITS(IEFACTRT,IEFUJI,IEFUSI,IEFU83,IEFUTL))

FEX (Find EXpression)

2009-10-09 Thread Dave Salt
A number of people have contacted me off-list with questions about the FEX command, so this email will hopefully clarify some points. First, FEX is going to be part of the next SimpList release (i.e. version 2.1). It is deeply imbedded in the SimpList libraries (e.g. uses SimpList panel and

Re: Deactivate LPAR

2009-10-09 Thread Guy Gardoit
Ok, I've had time to research my memory banks. This probably has nothing to do with the OPs original question but just for the record, there is a subtle difference between RESET NORMAL and RESET CLEAR that has to with more that just clearing storage. It has to do with the FDRPAS program. FDRPAS

Re: COBOL is an obvious cash cow to be milked to death was Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Kirk Wolf
Wrong equations :-) What is the *business case* for adding better optimizations to the COBOL compiler? Back in the day when there was fierce PCM competition, you could add new instructions and then spend money in compiler exploitation as a competitive advantage. Now the business case is a

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread John Norgauer
Here's my SMFPRMXX statements: SYS(NOTYPE(16,19,20,34,35,42,120:127,129:143, 145:244,246:252), EXITS(IEFU83,IEFU84,IEFACTRT, IEFUSI,IEFUJI,IEFU29),NOINTERVAL,NODETAIL) John Norgauer Senior Systems Programmer Mainframe Technical Support Services University

Re: COBOL is an obvious cash cow to be milked to death was Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread P S
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: Wrong equations :-) What is the *business case* for adding better optimizations to the COBOL compiler? Back in the day when there was fierce PCM competition, you could add new instructions and then spend money in compiler

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/9/2009 11:16:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dmit...@shazam.net writes: DEST=. Not a word about this in JES2 books... Sorry it's in the IP Printway guide. I'll get a reference in a minute. --

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread Mike W Stayton
The loadpt value of means the module was found in LPA. Issue D PROG,LPA,MODNAME=iefactrt This is the response I received on my test system. 14.50.31 CSV550I 14.50.31 LPA DISPLAY 992 FLAGS MODULEENTRY PT LOAD PT LENGTHDIAG P IEFACTRT 87520DE0 07520DE0 0220

Re: COBOL is an obvious cash cow to be milked to death was Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread J D Cassidy
To add even more topic-skew, no mention of a full blown COBOL port to zLinux with ahem.. CICS. JC = On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: = Wrong equations :-) = What is the *business case* for adding better optimizations to the = COBOL compiler? = = Back in the

BAMA UPS work.

2009-10-09 Thread Ed Finnell
Haven't seen a formal notice but got back from lunch with some of the DBA's and they were gnashing about having to go in Sat night and Sunday morning to baby sit a UPS upgrade. Supposedly a lights out power down will be required. It may be short or it could be intermittent for a while until

Mark Thomen

2009-10-09 Thread Rick Fochtman
Mark Thomen withdrew from the list some time ago, IIRC, due to health issues. Does anyone know his current status? He was a very welcome and knowledgeable contributor, as well as a friend to all. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Mark Thomen

2009-10-09 Thread John P Kalinich
Rick Fochtman of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 10/09/2009 02:18:53 PM: Mark Thomen withdrew from the list some time ago, IIRC, due to health issues. Does anyone know his current status? He was a very welcome and knowledgeable contributor, as well as a friend

Check out 4.4.1 z/OS V1R8.0 Infoprint Server User's Guide IBM Library Serve

2009-10-09 Thread Ed Finnell
_4.4.1 z/OS V1R8.0 Infoprint Server User's Guide IBM Library Server_ (http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/aopv0331/4.4.1?ACTIO N=MATCHESREQUEST=DESTTYPE=FUZZYSHELF=AOPBK363DT=20071022150028CASE=sea rchTopic=TOPICsearchText=TEXTsearchIndex=INDEXrank=RANKScrollTOP=FIRSTHI

Fw: ShopzSeries Outage and IP Address Changes Notification

2009-10-09 Thread Chris Hoelscher
for those who care about such things, I just received thin in my inbox Dear ..., There will be a 15 hour outage beginning Saturday October 24 at 9:00 AM MDT until October 24 at 11:59 PM MDT. During this time, ShopzSeries will be unavailable. In support of IBM network

Re: COBOL is an obvious cash cow to be milked to death was Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: COBOL is an obvious cash cow to be milked to death was Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit

Re: Mark Thomen

2009-10-09 Thread Bob Shannon
The last I heard, Mark will not be back on IBM-MAIN. I appreciated his comments too (at least some of them :-) ). Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread John Norgauer
D PROG,LPA,MODNAME=IEFACTRT CSV550I 13.29.30 LPA DISPLAY 152 FLAGS MODULEENTRY PT LOAD PT LENGTHDIAG P IEFACTRT 85303000 05303000 1EE0 16E14060 John Norgauer Senior Systems Programmer Mainframe Technical Support Services University of California Davis Medical Center 2315

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread Lizette Koehler
According to the CSR464I message it states: LOADPT loadpt The load point address of the exit routine module. The value is only valid when the exit routine is active.

Re: AMATERSE Even Less Device Independent Than Before

2009-10-09 Thread Edward Jaffe
Edward Jaffe wrote: Pinnacle wrote: Did they give you the WAD here? No WAD yet... Just had a close call with this. The support person suggested that, because the documentation doesn't explicitly state that OUTFILE can be sysout, it need not be supported and that any update should be

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread John Norgauer
It is in th LPALIB and I did a re-ipl with CLPA and still no output from the IEFACTRT in my jobs. John Norgauer Senior Systems Programmer Mainframe Technical Support Services University of California Davis Medical Center 2315 Stockton Blvd ASB 1300 Sacramento, Ca 95817 916-734-0536 SYSTEMS

Re: IBM Mainframes Draw Antitrust Scrutiny

2009-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 52bc4b80910090814x5ad52c8cua18e88d140c6d...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/09/2009 at 08:14 AM, Guy Gardoit ggard...@gmail.com said: The government idiots should be looking at MicroSoft, not IBM. They should be looking at both. But I agree that ms is the worse offender. -- Shmuel (Seymour

Re: COBOL is an obvious cash cow to be milked to death was Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Gord Tomlin
Meanwhile, IBM spends considerable effort in optimizing its C/C++ compilers. Customers with C and C++ applications have more alternatives to Big Iron. Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Dana
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:03:30 EDT, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote: Sorry it's in the IP Printway guide. I'll get a reference in a minute. Thanks, I forgot to mention it, but that is what I was trying to avoid with this project, buying anything... ;-) Dana

Re: Job name standards (Was: multiple jobs / same name)

2009-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%200910090945570233.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 10/09/2009 at 09:45 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: FSVO arbitrary. This is the USERDATA parameter, isn't it?. Userdata parameter of what? There are vendors adding their own DD keywords via SJF; I don't know whether they are

Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market

2009-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In c648d10634943c4891f7085d0dad806b579d6...@usmbx06.aafes.com, on 10/08/2009 at 10:07 AM, Elliot, David elli...@aafes.com said: They'll be discovering steam next. Of course IBM is being unfair to its competitors. That's what being dominant means. No, that's not what it means. --

Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market

2009-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 67954f200910081418h3f651d01qf2ecacd40da6d...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/08/2009 at 05:18 PM, P S zosw...@gmail.com said: Sure, but FLEX-ES was fallout from PSI. That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated antitrust laws. The fact remains that IBM refuses to license,

Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market

2009-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4ace5273.5020...@ync.net, on 10/08/2009 at 03:58 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: IIRC, none of IBM's competitors in the mainframe market offer a 64-bit machine. What's unfair about providing something your competitors don't?? Why are you beating your wife? You're defending IBM

Re: AMATERSE Even Less Device Independent Than Before

2009-10-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:44:29 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: ETR Response I'm not understanding the rationale that's being applied here. MVS utility input and output files are device independent unless explicitly stated otherwise. You might be too young to remember, but that's one of the tenets that

Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market

2009-10-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated antitrust laws. The fact

Re: Experience with NPF

2009-10-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/9/2009 4:08:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dmit...@shazam.net writes: Thanks, I forgot to mention it, but that is what I was trying to avoid with this project, buying anything... ;-) I think it's bundled with PSF although with 4.1 they started pulling the

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/9/2009 3:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, john.norga...@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu writes: It is in th LPALIB and I did a re-ipl with CLPA and still no output from the IEFACTRT in my jobs. Check the length or hist with PDS against a working one. Sounds like it might have

Re: Does Ent. COBOL 4.1 generate 64-bit binary arithmetic instructions?

2009-10-09 Thread Clark Morris
On 9 Oct 2009 09:34:42 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Lots of good performance improvement comments snipped One more time, Have you created either a SHARE requirement or a marketing REQUEST for any of the specific compiler changes to get performance improvements in Enterprise COBOL

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread Guy Gardoit
Did you try ISRDDN? TSO ISRDDN LPA M IEFACTRT Should give you a screen telling you that it is PLPA resident and in what library in the LPA concatenation it was found in. Did it find the one you expected? On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated

Re: My IEFACTRT crippled?

2009-10-09 Thread Lizette Koehler
There is a function in ISRDDN in TSO that might be able to help. On the command line issue LPA - a list of the LPA Libraries will pop up. Then issue MEMBER IEFACTRT. See if the module is where you expect it. Lizette It is in th LPALIB and I did a re-ipl with CLPA and still no output from

Re: More bad news.

2009-10-09 Thread Howard Rifkind
Ed, (smile) I contend there isn't any mainframe skills shortage. z/VM, z/OS, SDF/Cobol/CICS/ DB2 and anything else you can think of. With all the mainframe folks out of work now you could fill every standing mainframe job opening in the contry and then some. Who was the wise guy yelling

Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market

2009-10-09 Thread P S
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated antitrust laws. The fact remains that IBM refuses to license, e.g., z/OS, on competitive systems. Um. Doh?

Re: FEX (Find EXpression)

2009-10-09 Thread Rich Smrcina
Here's the response from the person that compiled PCRE on z/OS: I did get Pcre working. From looking at the Pcre dir that I did the work in, I had to start from scratch with just the C files and H files and created new make files. I also had to manually create a config.h file, and inside that

Re: Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Lloyd Fuller
Clark Morris wrote: On 9 Oct 2009 01:35:23 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: If these are for QSAM data sets, does the C program do a FREEPOOL (free the buffer pool) on CLOSE. For reasons I don't understand, apparently CLOSE does not automatically free the buffers. I think the

Re: Does a DD-Statement waste memory after dealloc?

2009-10-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL
As I remember things, and it has been a while, the FREEPOOL is not automatically done because it is expensive to get rid of the buffer pool if you are just closing the file to reopen it because then you have to just get the buffers all over. These days, it's not that expensive. Clsoing and

Page Faults and Interrupts

2009-10-09 Thread David Stephens
I've always thought that a page fault in any operating system, including z/OS, would generate an interrupt. The task requiring the missing page would be put aside whilst RSM did the required I/O to the page datasets (unless the page was already in memory - in expanded storage, or a stolen

Re: Page Faults and Interrupts

2009-10-09 Thread Steve Comstock
David Stephens wrote: I've always thought that a page fault in any operating system, including z/OS, would generate an interrupt. The task requiring the missing page would be put aside whilst RSM did the required I/O to the page datasets (unless the page was already in memory - in expanded

Re: Page Faults and Interrupts

2009-10-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. d...@longpelaexpertise.com.au (David Stephens) writes: I've always thought that a page fault in any operating system, including z/OS, would generate an