Re: SV: SV: SV: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a90e503c23f97441b05ee302853b0e6241dc0ac...@fspas01ev010.fspa.myntet.se, on 12/09/2011 at 11:54 PM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se said: Ok, If I rephrase it like: as seen from the initiator before the actual execution starts ? :) That works. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

Re: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1323571698.77546.yahoomailmob...@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, on 12/10/2011 at 06:48 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com said: Someone (John?) suggested that a language (Pearl?) Presumably Perl. could do it Quoting the context would help. See RFC for the standard format of a quote in Internet

Re: Java apps have most flaws, Cobol is cleanest.

2011-12-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In capd5f5qmau-nfsclejlgzrdt+joqrcsdh8sd6zfxu5vtavs...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/10/2011 at 09:57 PM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said: Shmuel's egregiously out-of-context comments FSVO out of context unknown to dictionaries. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Re: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 3666973419482586.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/10/2011 at 10:04 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: I've seen it done So have I, but what reader of IBM-MAIN claimed that it was desirable? C, for example, allows as many or as few (even only one) tokens on each line.

Re: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 6321277460713310.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/10/2011 at 09:56 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Does it merit an RCF? Yes. In fact the behavior of aliased DSNs is perhaps even worse. Yes, and hard to fix. Every approach that I can think of breaks something. --

Re: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:16:25 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 1323571698.77546.yahoomailmob...@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, on 12/10/2011 at 06:48 PM, Ed Gould said: Someone (John?) suggested that a language (Pearl?) Presumably Perl. could do it Quoting the context would help.

TSO multi-logon on multi-system, restricting to specific users?

2011-12-11 Thread John McKown
I don't think there is a way to do this using normal IBM supplied facilities. At present, we propagate the SYSIKJUA enqueue across our entire sysplex via the GRSRNL member. When we convert to z/OS 1.12, I am going to remove this entry from the RNL. This will allows a single TSO user to logon to

Re: TSO multi-logon on multi-system, restricting to specific users?

2011-12-11 Thread Steve Horein
A DISP=OLD zero track SYSUID dataset in a programmer only logon proc? On Dec 11, 2011 10:34 AM, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote: I don't think there is a way to do this using normal IBM supplied facilities. At present, we propagate the SYSIKJUA enqueue across our entire sysplex via the

Re: TSO multi-logon on multi-system, restricting to specific users?

2011-12-11 Thread John McKown
Good idea slapping head. I do that sometimes to enforce job single threading because we've set some job classes to allow duplicate job names in execution. I don't __think__ that I would ever need to allow some programmers to do concurrent logons while restricting others. On Sun, 2011-12-11 at

Re: TSO multi-logon on multi-system, restricting to specific users?

2011-12-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:44:37 -0600, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote: But, if it is easy, I would like to restrict who can logon to multiple systems concurrently. Note, I must allow everyone to logon to all systems for support purposes. But I only want __concurrent__ logons for a few support

Re: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0451543888042535.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/11/2011 at 10:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: PKB. ROTF,LMAO! I always quote the context, as well as providing an attribution line. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:48:46 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 12/11/2011 at 10:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: PKB. ROTF,LMAO! I always quote the context, At least one word. Sometimes several. as well as providing an attribution line. Thanks. Sometimes I rely on the quotation

Re: TSO multi-logon on multi-system, restricting to specific users?

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:28:53 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote: As long as you don't enable ISPF profile sharing (which I never did because it is a kludge anyway - see past posts on ISPF-L), it is simple. ... It wasn't that we wanted to protect multiple system logon at my client when I did it back in

Re: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:20:41 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Yes. OK. Done. Does this say the right stuff? Is the example suitable?: Hello, MHVRCFs, http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/iea2b6a0/12.47 Title: z/OS V1R12.0 MVS JCL Reference Document Number:

Re: TSO multi-logon on multi-system, restricting to specific users?

2011-12-11 Thread John McKown
I suppose that I could test the SYSUID in our TSO logon REXX program and have a system-unique ISPF profile for those few who will normally need multisystem logon. I definitely do __NOT__ want it in general. I'll have programmers and actuaries crawling over my dead body about ISPF doesn't always

Re: LDAP for z/OS with long name

2011-12-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
RACF might enforce certain limits if you're accessing RACF resources via the z/OS LDAP Server. If you're not doing that -- it's not required to do that -- then no, I don't think there's any 256 character limit.

Re: JCL sheesh! for today

2011-12-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 9480536010373504.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/11/2011 at 12:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: At least one word. Sometimes several. Always enough to identify the text that I an responding to. If I'm responding to an entire paragraph then I quote the entire

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2011-12-11 Thread Chris Hoelscher
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Re: TSO multi-logon on multi-system, restricting to specific users?

2011-12-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 12/11/2011 9:28 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: As long as you don't enable ISPF profile sharing (which I never did because it is a kludge anyway - see past posts on ISPF-L), it is simple. IBM says profile sharing is needed to run ISPF as a 'classic' interface under z/OSMF. -- Edward E Jaffe