Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-29 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
calculating floor(log2(x)) is fairly obvious, so mabe the construction of the name was not accidental... Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: another z9 question

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/26/2005 at 07:23 AM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Are you not thinking, rather, of the Cxi instruction, No. NXi would be more relevant, but what I was thinking of were SCA and SCQ on the 3600, an entirely different line of computers. -- Shmuel

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Kirk Talman
STFL loads absolute location 200. See PoPs for mapping. Reply to me privately and I will send you code that displays the bits there using the descriptions from PoPs. Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/26/2005 12:21 PM wrote Does the OS then make the result available to unprivileged programs

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Bob Shannon
>>But STFL is a privileged instruction (STFLE is not). Who issues the >>original STFL? the operating system during IPL? >> >> Yes. All z/OS and some OS/390 releases issue STFL at IPL time. >> >Does the OS then make the result available to unprivileged programs >somewhere? (CVT?) Yes. In PSA.

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Edward E. Jaffe said: > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:52:20 -0700 > > >But STFL is a privileged instruction (STFLE is not). Who issues the > >original STFL? the operating system during IPL? > > Yes. All z/OS and some OS/390 releases issue STFL at IPL time. > Does the OS t

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Bruce Black
My first reaction to the STFLE instruction was Archie Bunker (All in the Family, "Stifle yourself, Edith") -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: ww

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Chase, John wrote: But STFL is a privileged instruction (STFLE is not). Who issues the original STFL? the operating system during IPL? Yes. All z/OS and some OS/390 releases issue STFL at IPL time. -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock > > Craddock, Chris wrote: > >>Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing instructions, > >>introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, > >>z890, z900 and / or z990

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward E. Jaffe > > Steve Comstock wrote: > > > Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing > instructions, > > introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, > > z890, z900 and / or

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock > > Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing > instructions, introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to > the earlier z800, z890, z900 and / or z990 series? I don't know about tha

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread ibm-main
From: "Paul Gilmartin" > > I don't know where the z9 PoO is, Jim Mulder posted a (PDF) link a couple of days back to the latest PoPs. I made an unsuccessful search for a .boo equivalent this afternoon. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note, Edward E. Jaffe said: Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:02:44 -0700 In a recent note John Gilmore said: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:18:15 + provide an eponymous macro that does the same thing, albeit much more slowly, on platforms that do

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Edward E. Jaffe said: > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:02:44 -0700 > > >In a recent note John Gilmore said: > >>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:18:15 + > >> > >>provide an eponymous macro that does the same thing, albeit much more > >>slowly, on platforms that do not ma

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
Say what are you and Jaffe doing working on Sunday? They're not working - they do this for the pure joy of it. The fact that somebody pays them money to do it is purely coincidental ... This is a PRIVAT

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" said: > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:18:47 -0300 > > >Ah! The JFFO instruction which appeared on the decsystem KA-10 in > >1968 (according to an unscientific Google search). I suppose it's OK > >for IBM to use it now, since any patent has presum

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/25/2005 at 10:38 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Ah! The JFFO instruction which appeared on the decsystem KA-10 in >1968 (according to an unscientific Google search). I suppose it's OK >for IBM to use it now, since any patent has presumably expired.

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-25 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note John Gilmore said: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:18:15 + Meanwhile, I have found the new FLOGR instruction---It finds the leftmost instance of a '1'b bit in a register doubleword---very convenient indeed for scanning bit tables; and I have ele

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note John Gilmore said: > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:18:15 + > > Meanwhile, I have found the new FLOGR instruction---It finds the leftmost > instance of a '1'b bit in a register doubleword---very convenient indeed for > scanning bit tables; and I have elected to use it when

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-25 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
john gilmore wrote: Chris Craddock and Ed Jaffe have guessed that there will be no retrofitting of the new z9 instructions, and they may well be right, but it is important to remember that IBM will consult its own convenience in deciding what to do. (It has retrofitted other such instruction

Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-25 Thread john gilmore
Chris Craddock and Ed Jaffe have guessed that there will be no retrofitting of the new z9 instructions, and they may well be right, but it is important to remember that IBM will consult its own convenience in deciding what to do. (It has retrofitted other such instruction sets and could do so a

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-25 Thread Ray Mullins
No, he is. He is in far west Houston. He e-mailed me last night saying that they had a few small trees down but nothing major. -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ http://www.mrmullins.big-bear-city.ca.us/ http://www.the-bus-stops-here.org/ > -Origi

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-25 Thread Chuck Arney
: 972-296-6166 > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Edward E. Jaffe > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Another z9 question > > Steve Comstock wrote: >

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-25 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Steve Comstock wrote: Craddock, Chris wrote: Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing instructions, introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, z890, z900 and / or z990 series? Almost certainly not. CC So at some point we'll have another ALS value,

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-25 Thread Steve Comstock
Craddock, Chris wrote: Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing instructions, introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, z890, z900 and / or z990 series? Almost certainly not. CC So at some point we'll have another ALS value, eh? Say what are you and

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-25 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Steve Comstock wrote: Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing instructions, introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, z890, z900 and / or z990 series? No. But you can use STFLE to determine which facilities are present. The presence of STFLE is indica

Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-25 Thread Craddock, Chris
> Will the new instructions, and modifications to > existing instructions, introduced with the z9 > series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, z890, > z900 and / or z990 series? Almost certainly not. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Another z9 question

2005-09-25 Thread Steve Comstock
Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing instructions, introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, z890, z900 and / or z990 series? Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /