Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1318801164.28999.yahoomailmob...@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on 10/16/2011 at 02:39 PM, Ed Gould said: >That Please provide an attribution line and quote enough text to provide context. An In-Reply-To: header fIeld wouldn't hurt either. >is possible If you're repsonding to Message-ID

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-16 Thread Ed Gould
That is possible bowser if DFDSS hands the record to the utility it Is entirey possible Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INF

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1318724543.9884.yahoomailmob...@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on 10/15/2011 at 05:22 PM, Ed Gould said: >You have a point but the key word is encapsulate is it add a few >records to it, or is wrapping the record output of IDCAMS surrounded >by the data. Well, if it's using both IEBCOPY

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-15 Thread Ed Gould
Shmuel, You have a point but the key word is encapsulate is it add a few records to it, or is wrapping the record output of IDCAMS surrounded by the data. I don't have an answer. I would guess and it is a guess that DFDSS would add records to the beginning. I seem to recall something to that ef

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1318554485.51049.yahoomailmob...@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on 10/13/2011 at 06:08 PM, Ed Gould said: >It may well do so, however when invoked it must do so by not >specifying by DSN. I honestly don't know the format of the the >RMM dataset so unless it's some off the wall format (I su

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-13 Thread Ed Gould
Mike, It may well do so, however when invoked it must do so by not specifying by DSN. I honestly don't know the format of the the RMM dataset so unless it's some off the wall format (I suspect it's VSAM), there is no reason it can't be done by IDCAMS unless it's not really VSAM at all in which

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-13 Thread Mike Wood
Ed, As Shmuel Metz pointed out, dss can exploit other utilities. However, for the rmm backup it is its (virtual) concurrent copy and similar capabilities that are needed which requires dss to perform its own I/O. -- For IBM-MA

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 10/11/2011 at 10:23 AM, "McKown, John" said: >I am fairly sure that ADRDSSU is the "n"th grandchild of IEHDASDR >(wasn't that the MVT disk dump/restore?). IEHDASDR was an OS/360[1] utility, and there was a program product derived from it, but AFAIK DSS[2] was a completely new utility.

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-12 Thread Brian Westerman
I sent them the correction for their problem, there were actually several issues, and I decided to give them the easiest one to fix the problem. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-11 Thread John McKown
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Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-11 Thread McKown, John
ama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue > > Mike, > > DFDSS is a fine utility. How ever from what I understand > DFDSS just invokes the appropriate utility under covers. If > it's aVSAM dataset it uses IDCAMS if it's PDS it uses > IEBCOPY. The uti

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-11 Thread Ed Gould
Mike, DFDSS is a fine utility. How ever from what I understand DFDSS just invokes the appropriate utility under covers. If it's aVSAM dataset it uses IDCAMS if it's PDS it uses IEBCOPY. The utilities are passed various parms or ddname parameters like size and bufnd (and the like). To make the

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-11 Thread Mike Wood
saurabh, Further to my earlier reply: EDG4010D is issued only when you are using basic backup in rmm, and only when a tape open/close has been delayed for around 10 minutes. This means the backup of the CDS using IDCAMS via EDGHSKP/EDGBKUP is taking too long. Either the CDS is very large or the

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-08 Thread Brian Westerman
First, The CONSOLxx member segment that you printed most likely has nothing to do with the console that is trying to be used to issue the message. We are not talking REAL consoles here, (Unless your REPLYTO utility is specifically using the MASTER console, in which case you would not be gettin

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-07 Thread saurabh khandelwal
Hello Brian, Below is the output of the console member. We do have Master authority. BROWSESYS1.PARMLIB(CONSOL00) - 01.06 Line Col 001 080 Command ===> Scroll ===> PAGE *

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue- Still waiting for suggestion

2011-10-07 Thread Brian Westerman
The solution here is the same as the solution I provided you to the original question. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN IN

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-07 Thread Brian Westerman
Hi, The old AUTO program that you are using has long since been replaced by SyzAUTO/z (I rewrote AUTO over 15 years ago to correct all of the issues and add more functionality) available at http://syzygyinc.net/AUTOz.aspx , but AUTO isn't the cause of your problem. What has happened is that

Automated SMFDUMP Job issue- Still waiting for suggestion

2011-10-07 Thread saurabh khandelwal
Yes that is also a option. But this backup process is working in all other systems. But I am not getting the reason for holding SMFDUMP job in this system occasionally. Most of the time it works. But some time it doesnt. How that is possible. I tried comparing the Job log of the two system ( a) The

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-07 Thread saurabh khandelwal
Yes that is also a option. But this backup process is working in all other > systems. But I am not getting the reason for holding SMFDUMP job in this > system occasionally. Most of the time it works. But some time it doesnt. How > that is possible. > > I tried comparing the Job log of the two syste

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-06 Thread Mike Wood
saurabh, Rather than considering the problem to be making a reply to the EDG4010D, why dont you try to avoid the EDG4010D message? EDG4010D is issued only when you are using the basic, intrusive backup method of rmm. If you switch to using a non-intrusive method, your SMFDUMP and any other tap

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-06 Thread saurabh khandelwal
Hello, Today I am again facing this issue and two SMFDUMP job is waiting in output queue and System is asking to reply . SMFDUMP STC20050 SMFDUMP15 EXECUTION SYE1 SYE1 SMFDUMP STC20053 SMFDUMP15 EXECUTION SYE1 SYE1 A00 SYSE122.04.04 STC20050 *09 EDG

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-06 Thread saurabh khandelwal
Hello, The problem is in one of system where the automated response for a problem with a tape mount, due to the RMM backup being in progress, is issued, but rejected by zOS. I am pasting the output of REPLYTO job. Where I had problem SYSE1 system backup and I had to reply with 08. IEFU29 HAS ISS

Re: Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-06 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
saurabh khandelwal wrote: My note: You and Jake Anderson wrote the SAME post nearly word by word. Are you colleagues? > In one of our z/OS system the daily SMFDUMP that starts to run at > 2200 hrs. bets a message from RMM due to the daily backup running. "bets a message"? Could you b

Automated SMFDUMP Job issue

2011-10-06 Thread saurabh khandelwal
Hello Group, In one of our z/OS system the daily SMFDUMP that starts to run at 2200 hrs. bets a message from RMM due to the daily backup running. The response to the message fails saying that "Reply xx was not requested from this console". This process works on most other systems. 2200 is