Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS

2011-05-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201105071107353825.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/07/2011 at 11:07 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: USS (only an A-R moron would raise the specter of ambiguity or impopriety given the manifest context) Only a drunk fool would make that claim. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS (Was: Opinion: modified SDSF functionality?)

2011-05-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4dc40fe7.3080...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 05/06/2011 at 08:12 AM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said: When we first implemented this function in (E)JES, we learned first hand just how much dislike/distrust there is out there re: USS filesystems. While Unix files are poorly

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS

2011-05-07 Thread David Alcock
The main reason that I like z/OS UNIX is: it helps to keep the mainframe viable until I have to retire. I use to have a job where I could monitor IBM-Main during the work day so I#39;ve missed out on the lively USS vs USS discussion. As per usual Ed Jaffe had the best response ;-) I

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS

2011-05-07 Thread Shane
Like a few others, I put up with whatever IBM marketing comes up with for their (pseudo) posix compliant bolt-on. That image of a mouse with the human ear (cartilage) grafted on to its back springs immediately to mind. Better approximation might be something cancerous ... MVS in one corner,

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS

2011-05-07 Thread Ron Hawkins
A date format with the month first. Who would be that stupid? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Alcock Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Dislike/Distrust of USS

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS

2011-05-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 8 May 2011 00:34:07 +1000, Shane wrote: Like a few others, I put up with whatever IBM marketing comes up with for their (pseudo) posix compliant bolt-on. I have some sympathy with the pseudo part. Particularly, I wish USS (only an A-R moron would raise the specter of ambiguity or

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS

2011-05-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
David Alcock wrote: I thought about the mainframe when I saw this Dilbert: http://www.dilbert.com/2011-04-23/ If you used that file naming standard starting with month-year-date, you're working on a 'Pain-frame', not on a Mainframe... ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht

Dislike/Distrust of USS (Was: Opinion: modified SDSF functionality?)

2011-05-06 Thread Edward Jaffe
[Reposted for those who either prefer or hate the USS acronym. You choose :-) ] On 5/6/2011 6:28 AM, John McKown wrote: I would like the concensus of opinion on something for SDSF. There is an function to print sysout to a dataset. This is ususally done with the XD line command or the PRT ODSN

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS (Was: Opinion: modified SDSF functionality?)

2011-05-06 Thread John McKown
I think some hate z/OS UNIX simply because it is something more that I have to be bothered with. Management seems to want to minimize their responsibilities. I remember loving new things. Now we hate them because they make our jobs more demanding while not increasing our pay. Speaking generically

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS (Was: Opinion: modified SDSF functionality?)

2011-05-06 Thread Chris Mason
Edward In a conference call, I demonstrated how their users could already easily create/update USS files using native ISPF functions (e.g., EDIT) ... If you need something like this again and you're too busy to do it yourself, I'd be happy to help out. Just let me know. A guess most people

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS (Was: Opinion: modified SDSF functionality?)

2011-05-06 Thread Lester, Bob
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS (Was: Opinion: modified SDSF functionality?) I think some hate z/OS UNIX simply because it is something more that I

Re: Dislike/Distrust of USS (Was: Opinion: modified SDSF functionality?)

2011-05-06 Thread Scott Ford
Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 11:12:39 AM Subject: Dislike/Distrust of USS (Was: Opinion: modified SDSF functionality?) [Reposted for those who either prefer or hate the USS acronym. You choose :-) ] On 5/6/2011 6:28 AM, John McKown wrote: I would