In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/11/2008
at 09:48 PM, Ivan Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Excuse me ? pay for down time ? I would only do this on 2 conditions :
- Unlimited resources
- A hefty pay raise to cover any down time
If you don't want to pay for the down time then don't press buttons
If you go into an area where you don't know how the equipment works and
start pushing buttons, you should pay for the damage you cause.
It's NOT Management's responsibility, when you start playing with equipment
that is outside you perview!
Is your concern here restitution or retribution?
So,
I take it your management has declined to implement the you pay for
everyone's down time deterrent.
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From: McKown, John [mailto:snip]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:54 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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Difficult
Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
I take it your management has declined to implement the you pay for
everyone's down time deterrent.
Excuse me ? pay for down time ? I would only do this on 2 conditions :
- Unlimited resources
- A hefty pay raise to cover any down time
Otherwise it IS management's
, August 11, 2008 12:49 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Do you protect your power switch with a lock?
Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
I take it your management has declined to implement the you pay for
everyone's down time deterrent.
Excuse me ? pay for down time ? I would only do this on 2
If you go into an area where you don't know how the equipment works and start
pushing buttons, you should pay for the damage you cause.
Excuse me ? pay for down time ? I would only do this on 2 conditions :
- Unlimited resources
- A hefty pay raise to cover any down time
Otherwise it IS
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:03:07 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
If you go into an area where you don't know how the equipment works and start
pushing buttons, you should pay for the damage you cause.
It's NOT Management's responsibility, when you start playing with equipment
that is outside you
Itschak Mugzach writes:
I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM
mainframe power switch lock. I checked and there is no
such lock. I wonder how do you protect your mainframe
power switches other then access control to the computer
room.
IBM does have a solution (and this is not
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Itschak
I understand.
This question may be one of those occasions requiring some careful but
simple explanation. Ultimately any customer is free to disregard your good
advice and take responsibility for whatever they do. But if the law or a
regulation (such as a fire code) says there has to be a single
Maarten Slegtenhorst wrote:
I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power
switch lock.
I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you protect your
mainframe
power switches other then access control to the computer room.
I agree with Kees. A lock would be
I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power switch
lock. I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you protect your
mainframe power switches other then access control to the computer room.
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I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power
switch
lock. I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you protect
your
mainframe power switches other then access control to the
I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power
switch lock.
I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you protect your
mainframe
power switches other then access control to the computer room.
I agree with Kees. A lock would be contradictory to the purpose
Itschak Mugzach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power
switch
lock. I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do
you protect
your
mainframe power switches other then access control to the
Not sure you want to lock them. There are a variety of switch covers available.
We had some of them at my last site. Google IBM power switch covers. Datacover
might have what you are looking for. These usually prevent your oops! scenario.
Itschak Mugzach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was asked
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[ snip ]
Do you mean Emergency Power Off switches?
That would be like securing fire alarm buttons with a lock.
If not, there are so many buttons on a machine, that you must trust
people who
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I used to put a cardboard (actually made from an 80-column card) over the
emergency power switch on our 360-30 that had
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I used to put a cardboard (actually made from an 80-column card) over the
emergency power switch on our 360-30 that had a DO
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I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power
switch lock. I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you
protect your mainframe power switches other then access control to the
computer room.
/snip
We do not have a lock on our get fired button (aka
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I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM
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I was asked
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I once worked at a site that had a huge, red power off button
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I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe
power
switch
lock. I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how
Compton, John wrote:
ISTR that the front panel of 360-30's (and -40's, possibly others)
featured a big red EPO pull-button that automatically locked when used. If
you pulled it, an engineer had to come in and unlock it before you could
power-up again.
John Compton
Blah.. Most of the time,
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I once worked at a site that had a huge, red power off button that powered
down everything in the room, and right next to it, a huge green button
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:38:17 -0400, Thompson, Steve wrote:
IFF the power switch to which you refer is the type I'm thinking of,
your CE and or an electrician will have a lock for it. But it is to be
used as a LOCK OUT so that power can not be applied while some one is
working on the device.
The
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:39:13 -0400, Joe Fragale wrote:
If is a red button type switch, Its a good idea to place it little high
up on the wall, say above the height of the average leaning shoulder.
Disabled access? (Wasn't this also a point of contention with Big Box
tape drives?)
The Apple
..once worked in a big service bureau
...service bureau acquired a 360/75
...service bureau hired a photographer and an attractive young woman for some
publicity shots
...young woman in front of 360/75 light panel
...photographer asks for some action shots
...young woman faces 360/75 light panel;
snip--
I agree with Kees. A lock would be contradictory to the purpose of the
switch.
Does the customer also want a lock on the main 'computer floor emergency
power off' switch?
Access to the computer floor should be restricted and people
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
snip--
And if there is an emergency, e.g. someone is being
electrocuted, you don't want a procedure to request a key
from someone outside the
So we have a
number lets see what happens when I push this button people
in there during drills. We actually have to have IT people
guarding the hardware from these nit-wits.
Those people should be responsible enough to realise that they have no right to
touch anything in the room.
At
I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power
switch lock.
I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you protect
your
mainframe
power switches other then access control to the computer room.
I agree with Kees. A lock would be contradictory to the
Posted by Kenny Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:28 AM
I once worked at a site that had a huge, red power off button that
powered down everything in the room, and right next to it, a huge
green button, same size, and same shape, that merely opened the door.
You can guess the
My first employer did have the emergency button covered and locked. One
day the security guard making his rounds decided that the there was no
need to have the lights on so he unlocked the box...
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This thread reminds me of a funny article that I came across recently -
Ooops, wrong switch -
http://weblog.infoworld.com/offtherecord/archives/2008/07/doorknob_alarm.html
Have fun
Rafi Gefen
Israel
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Kelman, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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