Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca34308822...@nwt-s-mbx2.rocketsoftware.com, on 02/22/2011 at 04:06 PM, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com said: CONTIG and ROUND are/were independent, but they both addressed I/O performance improvement. One purpose of ROUND was to reduce DASD revolutions that

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-22 Thread Bill Fairchild
allocation mean cylinder boundary? The two requirements--those of contiguity and rounding to a cylinder boundary--are/were independent ones. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-22 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 11:06 -0500, Bill Fairchild wrote: One purpose of ROUND was to reduce DASD revolutions that did not transfer any data. According to my fading memory, Back In The Day a limited set file mask had to be imposed on CCW strings against non-cylinder-aligned extents. Hence those

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-04 Thread J R
From: hobbitt druidl...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 08:43:48 -0800 (PST) Local: Fri, Feb 4 2011 11:43 am On Feb 1, 10:41 pm, jayare...@hotmail.com (J R) wrote: The JCL User's Guide is more specific on this. It explicitly states: if you code ROUND as the last subparameter in

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-02 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Cylinder allocation (and therefore ROUND used with average block or average record) allows faster input/output of sequential data sets than does track allocation. Unfortunately, since ECKD was introduced, this statement is inaccurate. If the I/O is within a defined extent, then track/cylinder

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-02 Thread Rick Fochtman
You're quite, Ron. It dates back to the days of SLEDs. Rick --- Ron Hawkins wrote: While it may be in the manual, I don't think this statement has been true for several decades. Cylinder allocation (and therefore ROUND used

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-02 Thread john gilmore
David Andrews wrote: | Um... comma, comma, contig, round which appears to be a polite attempted correction of the litany I provided. If it is, it is a misconceived one. The two requirements--those of contiguity and rounding to a cylinder boundary--are/were independent ones. John

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-02 Thread Ron Hawkins
ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary? You're quite, Ron. It dates back to the days of SLEDs. Rick --- Ron Hawkins wrote: While it may be in the manual, I don't think this statement has been true for several decades

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-02 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 13:20 -0500, john gilmore wrote: | Um... comma, comma, contig, round which appears to be a polite attempted correction of the litany I provided. No, you simply reminded me of a relic of the past that I can *still* find in my proclibs. As you say, it is another problem.

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-02 Thread J R
I'm not disagreeing with or correcting anybody. I wanted to point out that I was just helping out the hobbit with some explicit references to cylinder allocation via use of the ROUND option. As much as anything else, I was indicating that one should always read both JCL volumes, the

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-02 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'm not disagreeing with or correcting anybody. I wanted to point out that I was just helping out the hobbit with some explicit references to cylinder allocation via use of the ROUND option. As much as anything else, I was indicating that one should always read both JCL volumes, the Reference

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-01 Thread J R
From: hobbitt druidl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:37:27 -0800 (PST) Local: Tues, Feb 1 2011 6:37 pm If I code a dataset allocation using block size and count, and the ROUND keyword: (1024,(100),,,ROUND) Does the dataset (or at least primary extent) begin on a cylinder

Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?

2011-02-01 Thread Ron Hawkins
While it may be in the manual, I don't think this statement has been true for several decades. Cylinder allocation (and therefore ROUND used with average block or average record) allows faster input/output of sequential data sets than does track allocation.