Howard Rifkind wrote:
Everything being said; where are the new mainframe installations?
http://searchcio.techtarget.com.au/articles/35398-Suncorp-Bank-of-New-Zealand-and-Allianz-dump-Unix-Windows-for-Linux-on-the-mainframe
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Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
5200 W
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Howard Rifkind wrote:
Everything being said; where are the new mainframe installations?
http://searchcio.techtarget.com.au/articles/35398-Suncorp-Bank-of-New-Zealand-and-Allianz-dump-Unix-Windows-for-Linux-on-the-mainframe
Fair enough. Let's rephrase the question:
That's Linux on z HARDWARE which is about as useful to a z/OS sysprog or
COBOL coder as a mp3 player running Linux. I guess everyone needs to learn
Linux and switch.
Mohammad
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:18:04 -0700, Edward Jaffe
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote:
Howard Rifkind wrote:
Everything
On 29 Sep 2009 06:23:05 -0700, mkkha...@hotmail.com (Mohammad Khan)
wrote:
That's Linux on z HARDWARE which is about as useful to a z/OS sysprog or
COBOL coder as a mp3 player running Linux. I guess everyone needs to learn
Linux and switch.
Mohammad
I expect so. I don't see anything anywhere
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Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical
Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600
On 29 Sep 2009 06:41:09 -0700, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown,
John) wrote:
I already am familar with Linux. It is my main OS at home (I have a Mac as
well).
I'm curious - do you use BASH shell features of your Unix based Mac
such as scripts?Or do you use GUI for your Linux machine?
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical
Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Mohammad Khan mkkha...@hotmail.com wrote:
That's Linux on z HARDWARE which is about as useful to a z/OS sysprog or
COBOL coder as a mp3 player running Linux. I guess everyone needs to learn
Linux and switch.
Well, that's the big problem for a lot of the folks
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of P S
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:38 AM
Well, that's the big problem for a lot of the folks on this list --
they learned MVS 30 years ago and haven't learned anything since.
That's why they can't find jobs, and why the answer to a
MVS has hardly stood still. If there are really those who haven't learned
anything in 30 years, how are they surviving in a world of WLM, SMS, the
logger, etc. etc.?
D*mn good points!
I was going to respond, but I couldn't find a polite way.
There are many good (and progressive) changes in
: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:01:01 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows
To More Than 600 Universities
MVS has hardly stood still. If there are really those who haven't learned
anything in 30 years, how are they surviving in a world of WLM, SMS, the
logger
On 29 Sep 2009 11:03:53 -0700, eamacn...@yahoo.ca (Ted MacNEIL) wrote:
MVS has hardly stood still. If there are really those who haven't learned
anything in 30 years, how are they surviving in a world of WLM, SMS, the
logger, etc. etc.?
D*mn good points!
I was going to respond, but I
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com wrote:
MVS has hardly stood still. If there are really those who
haven't learned anything in 30 years, how are they surviving
in a world of WLM, SMS, the logger, etc. etc.?
Sorry, those are incremental changes. The last
--snip---
MVS has hardly stood still. If there are really those who haven't
learned anything in 30 years, how are they surviving in a world of WLM,
SMS, the logger, etc. etc.?
snip-
MVS has hardly stood still. If there are really those who haven't learned anything in 30 years, how are they surviving in a world of WLM, SMS, the logger, etc. etc.?
D*mn good points!
I was going to respond, but I
zosw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: P S zosw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills
Grows To More Than 600 Universities
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 5:22 PM
Sorry to seem dense -- what does:
Of course we would like
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills
Grows To More Than 600 Universities
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 5:22 PM
Sorry to seem dense -- what does:
Of course we would like to sell so D/R and other
services like picking up off load
Rifkind ibm_m...@yahoo.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:47:20 AM
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical
Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities
Well, just that we would sell disaster recovery services
and other services to help
: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:47:20 AM
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical
Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities
Well, just that we would sell disaster recovery services
and other services to help support the operations.
Sysprogs out of would could
Kind of hard to pick a search term that results with anything other than
India at the top.
Google accepts - in front of a term.
This means don't return results with that term in it.
So, add -india (sans quotes) to your search.
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
I believe that a significant factor in what companies choose for their
future IS needs is their perception on what skills the job market will
have in the future.
Some skills appear to be self-taught. If the tools are cheap, such
as HTML, BASH, and Java, kids in school are perceived as being
On 24 Sep 2009 14:49:13 -0700, pinnc...@rochester.rr.com (Pinnacle)
wrote:
If IBM keeps driving down bill rates and salaries, their newly minted
graduates will be the only ones available to fill the jobs. But why would
they when Web design and Java are paying more? The only reason that there
for work...contract or anything else.
The bad economic situation and fewer mainframes is the kiss of death.
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote:
From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills
When I started at PH Mining in 1985, there was approximately 35-40
mainframe shops within driving distance of my house in Milwaukee. Now there
are 10-12. These are not hard numbers, but my impression. I'm sure someone
at IBM could give hard numbers, at least for now, but I'll bet they won't.
And that's the reason I want a hobbyist license for z/OS that can run
on a PC ...
The skills that are available are basically the ones that students have
access to. To be proficient at something, you need to have lots of
hands-on time to tinker. Students can install Java, UNIX, Linux,
wrote:
From: Stephen Y Odo step...@hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills
Grows To More Than 600 Universities
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:30 PM
And that's the reason I want a
hobbyist license for z/OS that can run
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:12:03 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows
To More Than 600 Universities
Hope lots of you folks read this because it's right on target.
I've been thinking about getting together with a group
Sorry to seem dense -- what does:
Of course we would like to sell so D/R and other services like picking up off
load work from other small mainframe shops.
mean?
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Sorry to seem dense -- what does:
Of course we would like to sell so D/R and other services like picking up
off load work from other small mainframe shops.
mean?
Probably closer to Of course we would like to sell to D/R and other
services, like picking up
Skills Grows To
More Than 600 Universities
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 3:14 PM
For the We're not dead yet file
IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills
Grows To
More Than 600 Universities
Schools in Emerging Markets Join IBM Academic
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:31 -0700, Howard Rifkind
ibm_m...@yahoo.com wrote:
...
Want cheap..hire a newbie low salary and what not.
Want to get the job done pick an experience sysprog.
...
Ok. 2 not particularly compatable problems:
1. a large number of experienced programmers out of work
2.
, September 24, 2009 4:57 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical
Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities
Wonderful,
Now, after all these skills are acquired and these newbies without any
practical experience, entering a VERY limited
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:31 -0700, Howard Rifkind
ibm_m...@yahoo.com wrote:
...
Want cheap..hire a newbie low salary and what not.
Want to get the job done pick an experience sysprog.
...
Well 25 years ago the same decisions had to be made and that was when the
American Universities were
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From: Patrick O'Keefe patrick.oke...@wamu.net
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills
Grows To More Than 600 Universities
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:31
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical
Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:31 -0700, Howard Rifkind
ibm_m...@yahoo.com
wrote:
...
Want cheap..hire a newbie low salary and what
not.
Want to get the job done pick
From: Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:48:05 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows
To More Than 600 Universities
- Original Message - From: Patrick O'Keefe patrick.oke...@wamu.net
---snip-
Wonderful,
Now, after all these skills are acquired and these newbies without any
practical experience, entering a VERY limited mainframe market place are
competing with experience systems programmers with years of
: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:36:29 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows
To More Than 600 Universities
---snip-
Wonderful,
Now, after all these skills are acquired and these newbies without any
I have a situation here that sheds a little light on the oversupply of
mainframe people right now. A government body, I won't say which one, is
looking for 5 or 6 mainframe people, one of which was a z/OS sysprog. Forty
companies submitted RFPs to fill these jobs with long term contractors.
For the We're not dead yet file
IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To
More Than 600 Universities
Schools in Emerging Markets Join IBM Academic Initiative for System z;
program now reaches students in 61 countries
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease
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