Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:04:48 -0500, zMan wrote: http://travelonthedollar.com/2011/06/28/samoa-will-lose-a-day-in-december/ Even things like billing a hotel stay that spans the change could be interesting! A lot of systems appear not to have got it right. About now, OS X, a couple of Linux

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In p06240803cb16cda5395b@[192.168.1.11], on 12/20/2011 at 06:47 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said: (unless Gilbert goofed and counted the non-existent February 29, 1900). A minor gaff if he did, since an error of 4 years would hot have affected Frederick's plight. A more serious

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 02:56 -0500 on 12/21/2011, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote about Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production: In p06240803cb16cda5395b@[192.168.1.11], on 12/20/2011 at 06:47 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said: (unless Gilbert goofed and counted the non-existent February 29

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In f255efe0ecf08c4a9c1db6aff423541717de3...@ch2wpmail1.na.ds.ussco.com, on 12/19/2011 at 01:47 PM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com said: Why not specify the epoch origin as the Big Bang? Because there are insurmountable theoretical difficulties in clock synchronization and insurmountable

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 20111219091748.715752d5f...@urania.ugcs.caltech.edu, on 12/19/2011 at 01:17 AM, glen herrmannsfeldt g...@ugcs.caltech.edu said: But if I understand it right, the date is computed from the value in the interval timer, along with various offsets, only when it is actually needed. Do you

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cajtoo5_sojvvt4dmwbn6pa6wb5gk92jq56vwuk4qez6viv0...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/19/2011 at 02:03 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: Actually, I think they are going to have to downgrade the Big Bang (creating all matter and the Universe) to a Large Bang (creating known matter withing

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Mike Schwab
That is where the Modified Julian Date comes in by subtracting 1/2 day os 0.000 is midnight and 0.500 is noon. Swatch time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time and watchs are almost the same thing, but they are using Central Europe time of UTC+1. 0100Z = @000 On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 20:38 -0600 on 12/16/2011, Chris Mason wrote about Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production: Mike Just think about all the people born on Feb 29th. They would have their 15th birthdate when they are 60 years old. Paradoxically a 29th February birthday can have happy consequences

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 22:44 -0600 on 12/18/2011, David Mierowsky wrote about Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production: At least they didn't have to deal with this! Thankfully this was sorted out long before computers were around! The Changes of 1752 In accordance with a 1750 act of Parliament, England

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 20:38 -0600 on 12/16/2011, Chris Mason wrote about Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production: Paradoxically a 29th February birthday can have happy consequences - at least in the fertile imagination of a writer

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
(snip, someone wrote) The changeover involved a series of steps: December 31, 1750 was followed by January 1, 1750 (under the Old Style calendar, Dec ember was the 10th month and January the 11th) March 24, 1750 was followed by March 25, 1751 (March 25 was the first day of the Old

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Chase, John
as a verb does not have the same meaning as lose, as the context of the sentence seems to require -jc- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:20:54 -0600 From: jonathan.goos...@assurant.com Subject: Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu And what about the pour

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Mierowsky At least they didn't have to deal with this! Thankfully this was sorted out long before computers were around! The Changes of 1752 In accordance with a 1750 act of Parliament, England and its

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:44:00 -0600, Chase, John wrote: Perhaps the world's eventual conversion to Star Date (or similar) will be less confusing and disruptive :-) Ummm... NVFL. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardate -- gil

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/19/2011 4:17 AM, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: But if I understand it right, the date is computed from the value in the interval timer, along with various offsets, only when it is actually needed. Nothing special actually happens at midnight on Dec. 31st. Which is not how I remember it.

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Mike Schwab
How about the Julian Day as used by astronomers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_day Julian day is used in the Julian date (JD) system of time measurement for scientific use by the astronomy community, presenting the interval of time in days and fractions of a day since January 1, 4713 BC

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread John Gilmore
Mike Schwab's Wikipedia quote: | Julian day is used in the Julian date (JD) system of time measurement | for scientific use by the astronomy community, presenting the interval | of time in days and fractions of a day since January 1, 4713 BC | Greenwich noon. Julian date is recommended for

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab How about the Julian Day as used by astronomers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_day Julian day is used in the Julian date (JD) system of time measurement for scientific use by the astronomy

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Mike Schwab
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab How about the Julian Day as used by astronomers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_day Julian day is used in the Julian date (JD)

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Bill Fairchild
Subject: Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab How about the Julian Day as used by astronomers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_day Julian day is used in the Julian date (JD) system of time

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Mike Schwab
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: What's magic about -4713/01/01?  Why not specify the epoch origin as the Big Bang?  What would today's Big Bang day number be? http://www.hebcal.com/ Mon, 19 December 2011 - 23rd of Kislev, 5772 5772 years ago would be

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 12/19/2011 11:53 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: How about the Julian Day as used by astronomers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_day Julian day is used in the Julian date (JD) system of time measurement for scientific use by the astronomy community, presenting the interval of time in days and

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-18 Thread David Mierowsky
At least they didn't have to deal with this! Thankfully this was sorted out long before computers were around! The Changes of 1752 In accordance with a 1750 act of Parliament, England and its colonies changed calendars in 1752. By that time, the discrepancy between a solar year and the Julian

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-16 Thread Jonathan Goossen
: zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/15/2011 03:30 PM Subject: Imagine dealing with THIS in production Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu http://travelonthedollar.com/2011/06/28/samoa-will-lose-a-day-in-december/ Even things like billing

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-16 Thread Steve Comstock
Woodwinds Toastmasters IBM Mainframe Discussion ListIBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 12/15/2011 03:04:48 PM: From: zManzedgarhoo...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/15/2011 03:30 PM Subject: Imagine dealing with THIS in production Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListIBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-16 Thread J R
pour people? - what, you mean like bartenders? Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:20:54 -0600 From: jonathan.goos...@assurant.com Subject: Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu And what about the pour people who will loose a birthday? Thank you and have

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-16 Thread Mike Schwab
At least they only loose 1 birthday a lifetime. Just think about all the people born on Feb 29th. On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Goossen jonathan.goos...@assurant.com wrote: And what about the pour people who will loose a birthday? Thank you and have a Terrific day! Jonathan

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-16 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:57:14 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: At least they only loose 1 birthday a lifetime. Just think about all the people born on Feb 29th. The 60th day of the year? What's the big deal with that? -- Tom Marchant

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-16 Thread Mike Schwab
They would have their 15th birthdate when they are 60 years old. On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:57:14 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: At least they only loose 1 birthday a lifetime.  Just think about all the people born on Feb

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-16 Thread Chris Mason
Mike Just think about all the people born on Feb 29th. They would have their 15th birthdate when they are 60 years old. Paradoxically a 29th February birthday can have happy consequences - at least in the fertile imagination of a writer of libretti for comic opera such as William Schwenck

Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-15 Thread zMan
http://travelonthedollar.com/2011/06/28/samoa-will-lose-a-day-in-december/ Even things like billing a hotel stay that spans the change could be interesting! -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For

Re: Imagine dealing with THIS in production

2011-12-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:04:48 -0500, zMan wrote: http://travelonthedollar.com/2011/06/28/samoa-will-lose-a-day-in-december/ Even things like billing a hotel stay that spans the change could be interesting! And, if they think of it, this will be their last chance to switch the TOD on their z