Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-22 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab [ snip ] Water barrels, cinder block walls, and an earthen hill won't stop a cannon ball being test fired at the Alameda County Sheriff's Department firing range.. It will still bounce up the hill,

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In p06240804cb181b6f5ad5@[192.168.1.11], on 12/21/2011 at 06:41 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said: Yes I was referring to clerics and deciding when a new year starts based on viewing the night sky. I may be remembering wrong but it was something on the order of needing to see

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-22 Thread John Gilmore
Robert A. Rosenberg writes: begin snippet I may be confusing the new year with some other religious event. I only remember in the context of a problem in making up printed calendars in advance due to the need for the event to occur before the linking of the two sets of dates can be done. If true,

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In capd5f5qckjjmp_gthv5isttfrkeovnnwkmjgqkadlfbpqpu...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/20/2011 at 09:46 PM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said: Others are observing this sky too, and no cleric wishes to be made a figure of fun by denying what is obvious to many others. Shirley biblical

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 12/21/2011 02:02 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In capd5f5qckjjmp_gthv5isttfrkeovnnwkmjgqkadlfbpqpu...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/20/2011 at 09:46 PM, John Gilmorejohnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said: Others are observing this sky too, and no cleric wishes to be made a figure of fun by

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread McKown, John
We're getting off-field again with religion, people. Don't want Darren setting any of us to NOPOST, do we? -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone *

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Bill Fairchild
Imagine having THIS thread stopped. Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Imagine having to deal

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread zMan
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: Imagine having THIS thread stopped. Indeed...I'm sorry I ever started it. Imagine there's no topic drift...it's easy if you try...no flaming, whining, pedantics...no making Darren cry... -- zMan -- I've got a

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Bill Fairchild
not the only ones... Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:23

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread zMan
21, 2011 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: Imagine having THIS thread stopped. Indeed...I'm sorry I ever started it. Imagine there's no topic

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Chase, John
@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: Imagine having THIS thread stopped. Indeed

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 21:46 -0500 on 12/20/2011, John Gilmore wrote about Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production: Robert A. Rosenberg writes: begin snippet . . . There is also the issue that in some calenders the date of New Year's Day (ie: When the new year starts) is not a fixed number of days

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/21/2011 2:18 PM, Chase, John wrote: Already been tried: IBM-MAIN-OT in Yahoo Groups. Can you say lead balloon? I guess you missed the Mythbusters episode where they obtained lead foil, inflated it, and launched it g And a better name for the group would be DRIFT-WOULD? G Gerhard

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-21 Thread Mike Schwab
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 12/21/2011 2:18 PM, Chase, John wrote: Already been tried:  IBM-MAIN-OT in Yahoo Groups. Can you say lead balloon? I guess you missed the Mythbusters episode where they obtained lead foil, inflated it, and

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread John Gilmore
Mike Schwab wrote: begin snippet Actually, the Islamic calendar is 12 lunar months of 29.5 days on average. So it is shorter than a solar year by about 11 days and the 1st day of the year cycles through the solar year about every 34 or so years. /end snippet and his point in fact makes mine.

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Muslims. --Original Message-- From: John Gilmore Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List ReplyTo: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production Sent: 20 Dec 2011 09:47 Mike Schwab wrote: begin snippet Actually

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: Muslims. The Jewish calendear might be worse. They use leap months to keep the calendar roughly aligned with the season. But after a leap month, your year to year comparisons of the weather on a certain day of the year

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cajtoo5-fmja5w5yauc_h-u_rd1aosqr3zrn9q_ncwnduq7p...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/20/2011 at 12:40 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: The Jewish calendear might be worse. They use leap months to keep the calendar roughly aligned with the season. There are also smaller adjustments such

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread John Gilmore
Coping with the Jewish calendar in fact provides an excellent vehicle for learning to do date arithmetic in general. Among the not quite obvious pitfalls: There are Jewish holidays that, at long intervals, do not occur at all in some Gregorian year, and there are others that occur, again

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 23:02 -0600 on 12/19/2011, Joel C. Ewing wrote about Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production: There are of course other strong arguments against universal usage of JD for dates any time in our lifetime. As long as we remain an Earth-centric and not a space-centric culture

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-20 Thread John Gilmore
Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production: There are of course other strong arguments against universal usage of JD for dates any time in our lifetime. As long as we remain an Earth-centric and not a space-centric culture, that makes it unlikely most people would favor an ordinal-based

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread John Gilmore
Joel C. Ewing writes (of Julian days): | That makes much sense for astronomers that work through | the night and sleep during the day, but is a terrible fit for people | and businesses that have to deal with normal work hours and | who would never tolerate the same period of daylight being |

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 12/19/2011 05:39 PM, John Gilmore wrote: Joel C. Ewing writes (of Julian days): | That makes much sense for astronomers that work through | the night and sleep during the day, but is a terrible fit for people | and businesses that have to deal with normal work hours and | who would never

Re: Imagine having to deal with THIS in production

2011-12-19 Thread Mike Schwab
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote: John, If you had read all of the included previous thread context in my previous response, the context was the world's eventual conversion to some date format, not a discussion limited to internal date usage by machines.  I