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Peter Flass peter_fl...@yahoo.com writes:
I'd say I'm sure IBM knows what they're doing, but based on what I've
heard about how the company makes decisions, I
Yup, in the same vein, when was the last time you fired up HP-UX on your
MAC (or mainframe), or AIX on your SUN box?
Rex
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Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com writes:
With the rise of clone processors, there was change in decision to not
charge for kernel software ... and my (about to
http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/10/09/Judge_Tosses_Antitrust_Lawsuit_Against_IBM.htm
is interesting (even if it does confuse the hardware and the
software); perhaps most interesting is the link at the end, to
http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/10/09/IBM.pdf . This includes some
discussion of
In c648d10634943c4891f7085d0dad806b579d6...@usmbx06.aafes.com, on
10/08/2009
at 10:07 AM, Elliot, David elli...@aafes.com said:
They'll be discovering steam next. Of course IBM is being unfair to its
competitors. That's what being dominant means.
No, that's not what it means.
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In 67954f200910081418h3f651d01qf2ecacd40da6d...@mail.gmail.com, on
10/08/2009
at 05:18 PM, P S zosw...@gmail.com said:
Sure, but FLEX-ES was fallout from PSI.
That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated
antitrust laws. The fact remains that IBM refuses to license,
In 4ace5273.5020...@ync.net, on 10/08/2009
at 03:58 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said:
IIRC, none of IBM's competitors in the mainframe market offer a 64-bit
machine. What's unfair about providing something your competitors
don't??
Why are you beating your wife?
You're defending IBM
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated
antitrust laws. The fact
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated
antitrust laws. The fact remains that IBM refuses to license, e.g., z/OS,
on competitive systems.
Um. Doh?
They'll be discovering steam next. Of course IBM is being unfair to its
competitors. That's what being dominant means.
David Elliot
zSeries Software Support
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A emulating JD probing themselves ... Gov. nothing else better to
do with your tax money .. LOL
From:
Elliot, David elli...@aafes.com
To:
IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:
10/08/2009 10:07 AM
Subject:
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe
computer market
Sent
Creating an appearance of 'doing something is always more important
than actually doing something. The PFC who walked around the compound
with a clipboard in hand escaped many s**t details because he was
obviously doing something already.
-jc-
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From: IBM
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 11:07 -0400, Elliot, David wrote:
Of course IBM is being unfair to its competitors. That's what being
dominant means.
Um, no.
A competitor may dominate because s/he has a better product, provides
better services, provides a better price-point... OR has some advantage.
snip-
Creating an appearance of 'doing something is always more important
than actually doing something. The PFC who walked around the compound
with a clipboard in hand escaped many s**t details because he was
obviously doing
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Um, no.
A competitor may dominate because s/he has a better product, provides
better services, provides a better price-point... OR has some advantage.
Unfair advantages are actionable.
Rick...
totally agree .. politics getting involved again ... someone wants
something ... $$
From:
Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net
To:
IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:
10/08/2009 03:58 PM
Subject:
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe
computer market
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Did you ever hear of FLEX-ES? They provided a 64-bit machine that IBM
would not let them license to production installations. They could
license it to developers until IBM decided to not license the patents to
them, so even the developers were cut off.
Chuck Arney
illustro Systems
P S wrote:
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Chuck Arney car...@illustro.com wrote:
Did you ever hear of FLEX-ES? They provided a 64-bit machine that IBM
would not let them license to production installations. They could
license it to developers until IBM decided to not license the patents
So you may be lead to believe. In the end it makes no difference. It's
still another 64-bit competitor squished.
Chuck Arney
illustro Systems International, LLC
http://www.illustro.com
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Chuck Arney car...@illustro.com wrote:
Did you ever hear of FLEX-ES? They provided a 64-bit machine that IBM
would not let them license to production installations. They could
license it to developers until IBM decided to not license the patents to
them, so
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Justice-Dept-probing-IBMs-apf-3247734019.html?x=0sec=topStoriespos=4asset=ccode=
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