Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343c2f...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com, on 06/28/2010 at 06:27 PM, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com said: How many relatives did he have and does he still have? Tens of billions. Is the number increasing exponentially? Yes. No. It's quenched exponential

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4c28652f.9090...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 06/28/2010 at 11:02 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: BTW: A programmer I know, used to put time bombs into program. The bombs were deleted after he got money for his job. He considered it as some kind of insurance. Is it unethical? Yes,

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Fairchild
:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software In 77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343c2f...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com, on 06/28/2010 at 06:27 PM, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com said: How many relatives did he have and does he still have? Tens of billions

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-29 Thread George Henke
Statistical remarkability, in this case, depends on the precise definition of relative, and no precision was given in the original reference to Machiavelli. How many relatives did he have and does he still have? Tens of billions. Is the number increasing exponentially? Yes. There will be

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-29 Thread Ken Porowski
Taken to extremes YOU are probably a relative (FSVO relative) -Original Message- George Henke Statistical remarkability, in this case, depends on the precise definition of relative, and no precision was given in the original reference to Machiavelli. How many relatives did he have and

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread R.S.
Rick Fochtman pisze: [...] Disabling your own software after a certain date is one thing; unpleasant but not unheard of. Disabling the whole shop is HIGHLY UNETHICAL and should be condemned with all possible vigor. Unethical - sure. Unlawful? Not necessarily. And can be hard to prove. BTW: A

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: Rick Fochtman pisze: Disabling your own software after a certain date is one thing; unpleasant but not unheard of. Disabling the whole shop is HIGHLY UNETHICAL and should be condemned with all possible vigor. Unethical - sure. Unlawful? Not necessarily. And can be

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
Selling poisoned software Rick Fochtman pisze: Disabling your own software after a certain date is one thing; unpleasant but not unheard of. Disabling the whole shop is HIGHLY UNETHICAL and should be condemned with all possible vigor. Unethical - sure. Unlawful? Not necessarily. And can

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 8:37:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dennis.ro...@lmco.com writes: in a parmlib or lmod. It is a well defined and accepted practice, so long as it is stated upfront. Back when it was MIX, they'd fall on some relative of Machiavelli's birthday! Sinister

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 9:50:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, paulgboul...@aim.com writes: Perhaps this is statistically unremarkable. How many relatives does Machiavelli have? Is the number increasing exponentially? Google's pretty good at these types rhetorical discourses. “No

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:04:12 EDT, Ed Finnell wrote: Back when it was MIX, they'd fall on some relative of Machiavelli's birthday! Sinister Perhaps this is statistically unremarkable. How many relatives does Machiavelli have? Is the number increasing exponentially? -- gil

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Bill Fairchild
This post is trivial enough to require posting on a Friday, but it points out the meaninglessness of anything that is not defined precisely enough. We don't need to use Google to figure this out. If we had perfect documentation, I think everyone on earth today could be shown to be a relative

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 1:28:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bi...@mainstar.com writes: I think the poster meant MICS, and not MIX. I don't remember any MIX product. MIX was real. Precursor to MIM, Allen Systems. Enabled us to do stuff with multiprocessors that GRS couldn't

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
MIX was real. Precursor to MIM, Allen Systems. Enabled us to do stuff with multiprocessors that GRS couldn't handle. I thought it was MSX/MSI. I don't remember MIX, but I have been wrong before. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread John P Kalinich
Ed Finnell of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/28/2010 01:59:23 PM: In a message dated 6/28/2010 1:28:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bi...@mainstar.com writes: I think the poster meant MICS, and not MIX. I don't remember any MIX product. MIX was

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:02:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eamacn...@yahoo.ca writes: don't remember MIX, but I have been wrong before No, you're correct. The gutter folks have me a little flummoxed. -- For

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:05:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jkali...@csc.com writes: We used to run Super-MSI (Multiple Systems Integrity) from Allen Systems Group, circa 1980. Yep. MSI MSX. There was a competitor from maybe Duquense but it always lost the benchmarks.

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip PS: no unethical persons were harmed while writing this post... ;-D --unsnip--- Why not?? :-) Rick

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Yep. MSI MSX. There was a competitor from maybe Duquense but it always lost the benchmarks. SDSI, which I have also worked with. But, I thought, and I could be wrong, that Duquense, became a company after Moreno merged with the provider of SDSI. 1985? - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:38:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eamacn...@yahoo.ca writes: But, I thought, and I could be wrong, that Duquense, became a company after Moreno merged with the provider of SDSI. Definitely foggy about the whole thing. We had MSX and MICS and were doing

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Kirk Talman
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/28/2010 03:38:32 PM: From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 06/28/2010 03:38 PM Subject: Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Yep. MSI

O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-26 Thread Ed Gould
Arrested the managers of a company that sold 'software' poisoned 1,000 companiesFraudsters introduced errors controlled for the system to fail at a particular dateDUVA JESUS - Madrid - 22/06/2010VoteResult  147 votes The Guardia Civil have arrested three managers of a company that sells