Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-24 Thread Edward Jaffe
McKown, John wrote: The only reason that I can think of to tell anybody anything under an NDA is so that they have time to write nice things about on day one. It takes time to read the stuff, think about it, then write (hopefully) glowing prose about it. Some people might actually need to

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
No matter the reason, anyone involved would undoubtedly be subject to the terms of an NDA. Which is why I'm surprised this topic even came up on IBM-Main. How could anybody even ask a question such as this, under usual terms of an NDA. 1. Nobody under NDA could admit it. 2. Nobody else could

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-24 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ted MacNEIL wrote: No matter the reason, anyone involved would undoubtedly be subject to the terms of an NDA. Which is why I'm surprised this topic even came up on IBM-Main. How could anybody even ask a question such as this, under usual terms of an NDA. 1. Nobody under NDA could admit

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I suspect it is due to a lack of communication between management and employees coupled with employees that are otherwise clueless about what hardware is or is not currently available to the public. If this is the case, then it's inexcusable on both sides. I don't know what penalties are in

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-24 Thread Tom Schmidt
Not necessarily so -- all NDAs are not created (or maintained) equally. -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Not necessarily so -- all NDAs are not created (or maintained) equally. This is so out of context! What are you replying to? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-24 Thread R.S.
Ted MacNEIL wrote: No matter the reason, anyone involved would undoubtedly be subject to the terms of an NDA. Which is why I'm surprised this topic even came up on IBM-Main. How could anybody even ask a question such as this, under usual terms of an NDA. 1. Nobody under NDA could admit it.

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I did not sign up any NDA, my knowledge does not come from official information from IBM. I don't know how it's regulated in Canada, but I'm pretty sure, that in Poland I can share my knowledge despite of IBM statement. Yes, you can. It's when you sign an NDA that problems arise. - Too busy

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-21 Thread Kirk Talman
the presentation labeled S2885BB - Tool Bag - orlando.pdf See page 5. Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) - Original Message From: Tom Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:42:32 PM Subject: Re: Z10 coupling link On Wed

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-21 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Of Kirk Talman Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Z10 coupling link Are there two Z10's? http://www.hgst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/966AE18147C20C8587256BF100 656F41/$file/U146Z10_ds.PDF IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 02/20

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-21 Thread Rich Smrcina
No, System z, z9 and the as of yet unannounced is spelled with a small z, it's cooler! Kirk Talman wrote: Are there two Z10's? http://www.hgst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/966AE18147C20C8587256BF100656F41/$file/U146Z10_ds.PDF IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-21 Thread R.S.
Kirk Talman wrote: Are there two Z10's? http://www.hgst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/966AE18147C20C8587256BF100656F41/$file/U146Z10_ds.PDF Huh? This is link to disk drive description. It's *not* named z10. Only part of the model contains 'z10' string. BTW: there are many thing with z10 in

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-20 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:19 -0600, Paul Meier wrote: Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? The problem is coupling a z900 to a new z10. You

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-20 Thread Paul Meier
Just what I heard. On 2/20/08, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Meier Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Z10 coupling link

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-20 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Meier Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? The problem

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-20 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? Since the product hasn't been announced, yet, the only ones who would know are those under NDA. And, they

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-20 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Z10 coupling link McKown, John wrote: Has the z10 been announced? If not, then you may

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-20 Thread Ted MacNEIL
It is not recommended to use so different machines (in term of CPU speed) in sysplex. To much overhead. Having monitored and measured this in real world environments since 1994, I disagree. Define too much, and produce documentation. The biggest issue is lock elongation if you put a sharing

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-20 Thread Mark T. Regan, K8MTR
: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:42:32 PM Subject: Re: Z10 coupling link On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:19 -0600, Paul Meier wrote: Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how

Re: Z10 coupling link

2008-02-20 Thread Tom Schmidt
. Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) - Original Message From: Tom Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:42:32 PM Subject: Re: Z10 coupling link On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:19 -0600, Paul Meier wrote: Does anyone have any idea