In aanlktikjz9t5llkjgaxp_+agtnq60t+rq5h0llmwn...@mail.gmail.com, on
09/01/2010
at 06:30 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said:
I was giving it a few years -- it has evolved a TINY bit.
Yes. In fact, it's evolved a TINY bit in the 2000's.
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In bay145-w440a9041ee4f038e1644bca3...@phx.gbl, on 09/01/2010
at 08:40 PM, J R jayare...@hotmail.com said:
Maybe I'm misremembering but I'm sure I was using SPF, not ISPF, in
or around 1974 -- and that *was* developed within IBM.
New version of same product, just as z/OS is still MVS.
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In
77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343c69...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com,
on 09/02/2010
at 12:17 AM, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com said:
Native TSO itself had barely crawled out of the primordial ooze in
the early 1970s.
A lot happened in the middle 1970's.
And the only thing supported
In
f255efe0ecf08c4a9c1db6aff42354171156e...@ch2wpmail1.na.ds.ussco.com,
on 09/02/2010
at 07:00 AM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com said:
ISTR that PDF (now ISPF option 2) was the full-screen editor; an
add-on to SPF.
First, there was no PDF until the name changed to Interactive System
In
f255efe0ecf08c4a9c1db6aff42354171156e...@ch2wpmail1.na.ds.ussco.com,
on 09/02/2010
at 06:36 AM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com said:
Hmmm Not quite Allan Sherman's version :-)
I thought that I knew the entire Allan Sherman oeuvre; what did he do
to Mollie Malone?
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I thought that I knew the entire Allan Sherman oeuvre; what did
numbers off permanently
aka one of the issues with adding new features was that the development
and other product costs had to be covered by revenue flow ... this could
be fudged some by combining different products in the same group and
calculating revenue againnst costs at the group/aggregate level
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d5e05...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 09/03/2010
at 07:24 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:
http://www.lyricstime.com/allan-sherman-shticks-of-one-kind-and-half-a-dozen-of-the-other-lyrics.html
Thanks.
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J R notes:
Maybe I'm misremembering but I'm sure I was using SPF, not ISPF,
in or around 1974 -- and that *was* developed within IBM.
Yes. SPF was developed by IBM and used internally for a couple of
years before it was released as a program product in 1976. Tom
Simpson and Dr. Mark Mergen
, September 01, 2010 7:41 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Set numbers off permanently.
Maybe I'm misremembering but I'm sure I was using SPF, not ISPF, in or around
1974 -- and that *was* developed within IBM.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
J.)
That's what I call a Mollie Malone:
She died of a faever
from which none could save her
and that was the end of sweet Mollie Malone
Hmmm Not quite Allan Sherman's
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J R notes:
Maybe I'm misremembering but I'm sure I was using SPF, not ISPF,
in or around 1974 -- and that *was* developed within IBM.
Yes. SPF was developed by IBM and used internally for a
bi...@mainstar.com (Bill Fairchild) writes:
I was writing about the prevalence of TSO and ISPF, not their exact
birthdates. I should have made that clearer in my previous post.
old references to why VM370 performance products and ISPF development
were merged into the same group (also reference
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 07:05 -0400, William H. Blair wrote:
1983. It also went OCO. That was particularly painful to us at
the time because we had made mods to SPF (source) that obviously
could not be carried forward. We had to drop them and completely
revise our source library management
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 08:00 -0400, Chase, John wrote:
ISTR that PDF (now ISPF option 2) was the full-screen editor; an
add-on to SPF.
The original Structured Programming Facility (which had nothing to do
with structured programming, a buzzword of the day) became the
Interactive System
John Chase remembers:
ISTR that PDF (now ISPF option 2) was the full-screen editor;
an add-on to SPF.
The full-screen editor, formerly called SPF (the Structured
Programming Facility) was incorporated into ISPF (renamed by
then, twice, to Interactive System Productivity Facility) as
the
Very interesting. I started around 1979 with SPF. I remember having a hard
time getting it to work right, mostly because my 3277 terminal had only 5
PFKeys. When I figured out that I should set PF4 PF5 to scroll down and up,
it got a lot easier.
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Subject: Re: Set numbers off permanently.
Very interesting. I started around 1979 with SPF. I remember having a hard
time getting it to work right, mostly because my 3277 terminal had only 5
PFKeys. When I figured out that I should set PF4 PF5 to scroll down and up,
it got a lot
In listserv%201008311651566804.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 08/31/2010
at 04:51 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
It's only trying to help you.
That's what I call a Mollie Malone:
She died of a faever
from which none could save her
and that was the end of sweet Mollie
In aanlkti=+hgnuyqzv1xmm+hmmqbdt2ue3fahyaz-xv...@mail.gmail.com, on
08/31/2010
at 08:57 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said:
Because ISPF is 1980s technology?
ITYM 1970's.
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ISO position; see
| Because ISPF is 1980s technology?
|
| ITYM 1970's.
It would, in fact, be 1976, to be specific about it.
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:10 PM, William H. Blair wmhbl...@comcast.net wrote:
It would, in fact, be 1976, to be specific about it.
I was giving it a few years -- it has evolved a TINY bit.
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In aanlkti=+hgnuyqzv1xmm+hmmqbdt2ue3fahyaz-xv...@mail.gmail.com, on
08/31/2010
at 08:57 PM, zMan zedgarhoo
Maybe I'm misremembering but I'm sure I was using SPF, not ISPF, in or around
1974 -- and that *was* developed within IBM.
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 00:17:07 +
From: bi...@mainstar.com
Subject: Re: Set numbers off permanently.
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Native TSO itself had barely
I remember, in 1981, it was still called SPF.
The name changed in the mid 1980's, IIRC.
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Does anybody know of a way to prevent the following from happening when
setting numbers off? Short of going into every member of a PDS I have
not found a way to prevent this. We have tried profile lock and a
number of other things without success.
-CAUTION- Profile changed to NUMBER ON STD
and The
MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM
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Does anybody
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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:31 PM
Subject: Set numbers off permanently.
Does anybody know of a way to prevent the following from happening when
setting numbers off? Short of going
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From: john_e_be...@uhc.com
Subject: Set numbers off permanently.
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Does anybody know of a way to prevent the following from happening when
setting numbers off? Short of going into every member of a PDS I have
not found a way to prevent this. We have tried
Does anybody know of a way to prevent the following from happening when
setting numbers off?
I've done it with an initial EDIT MACRO.
Within that, if numbers are on, turn them off.
I forget the exact ISREDIT query/sub-command, but there is one that will tell
you about numbers.
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I'm a
If you want to suppress this for all time, create an IMACRO to do this:
NUM ON
UNNUM
NUM OFF
NOT a good idea if there is valid data in the columns which hold statement
numbers.
You should first check the mode, and just issue the NUM OFF.
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On 31 August 2010 14:39, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
- Original Message - From: Benik, John E john_e_be...@uhc.com
Does anybody know of a way to prevent the following from happening when
setting numbers off? Short of going into every member of a PDS I have
not found a
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:58:59 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 31 August 2010 14:39, Pinnacle wrote:
- Original Message - From: Benik, John E
Does anybody know of a way to prevent the following from happening when
setting numbers off? Short of going into every member of a PDS I have
not
CAPS ON is the very worst, because it so easily destroys data.
Only if you're not aware.
Any line you don't edit retains its case.
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On 31 Aug 2010 11:31:36 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Does anybody know of a way to prevent the following from happening when
setting numbers off? Short of going into every member of a PDS I have
not found a way to prevent this. We have tried profile lock and a
number of other
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote:
If we can be prompted on a delete, why can't we have an installation
or user setting that prompts us every time ISPF insists on turning on
or off something line NUM, CAPS or RECOVERY?
Because ISPF is 1980s
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