Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4e3f747b.2020...@valley.net, on 08/08/2011 at 01:30 AM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said: And I seem to recall that A0 was the opcode for loading emulator instructions on the 360/165. 360/85? 370/165? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In p0624080cca64e1b9dff0@[192.168.1.11], on 08/07/2011 at 08:48 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said: Thanks to the Wikipedia S/360 article I was able to download a copy of the S/360 PoPs manual can confirm my impression that ALL the S/360 opcodes were one byte long No; as I

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In p06240808ca64d6fd5bb4@[192.168.1.11], on 08/07/2011 at 08:00 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said: Are any of them S/360 opcodes or were the introduced with S/370+ architecture? S/360, also S/370. AFAIK the emulator features were not available on anything later than the 370/168.

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 80dad7d8-9d2c-42c1-aa35-6414e507e...@optonline.net, on 08/07/2011 at 06:54 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: Think the B2 opcodes are all two bytes The B2 opcodes came later. Some of the emulator features on the S/360 had longer opcodes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-08 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: The B2 opcodes came later. Some of the emulator features on the S/360 had longer opcodes. diagnose (x'83') is supervisor instruction defined as model specific. common mechanism was the displacement field was used as extended

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a8ae1317-abcf-4b22-9f22-ad9ebe38a...@optonline.net, on 08/05/2011 at 06:23 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: A number of the 64 bit instruction Seem to have a constant in the last Byte e.g. LG. 58 STG 50 would anyone know the siginifcance of this It's part of the opcode,

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-07 Thread Micheal Butz
First time that second byte of the opcode was at the end of the inst Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In a8ae1317-abcf-4b22-9f22-ad9ebe38a...@optonline.net, on 08/05/2011 at 06:23 PM, Micheal Butz

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In c0d47c52-fac4-45e5-9ac8-4be4622cb...@optonline.net, on 08/07/2011 at 07:13 AM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: First time that second byte of the opcode was at the end of the inst True AFAIK, but S/360 did have opcodes running into bits 16-23. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-07 Thread Micheal Butz
Think the B2 opcodes are all two bytes Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In c0d47c52-fac4-45e5-9ac8-4be4622cb...@optonline.net, on 08/07/2011 at 07:13 AM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: First time

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-07 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 18:54 -0400 on 08/07/2011, Micheal Butz wrote about Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions: Think the B2 opcodes are all two bytes Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In c0d47c52-fac4-45e5-9ac8-4be4622cb

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-07 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 20:00 -0400 on 08/07/2011, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote about Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions: x-flowedAt 18:54 -0400 on 08/07/2011, Micheal Butz wrote about Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions: Think the B2 opcodes are all two bytes Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Shmuel

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-07 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 8/7/2011 8:48 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: Thanks to the Wikipedia S/360 article I was able to download a copy of the S/360 PoPs manual can confirm my impression that ALL the S/360 opcodes were one byte long (and that B2 opcodes were not part of the architecture). In Fact - No opcode from

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-06 Thread Bob Rutledge
Tom Marchant wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:52:41 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote: LY instruction format from the Principles of Operations looks like: 'E3' R1 X2 B2 DL2 DH2 '58' You misread the chart. the above is LG, not LY STY instruction format from the Principles of Operations looks like:

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:52:41 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote: LY instruction format from the Principles of Operations looks like: 'E3' R1

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions Tom Marchant wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:52:41 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote: LY instruction format from the Principles of Operations looks like: 'E3' R1 X2 B2 DL2 DH2 '58' You misread the chart. the above is LG, not LY STY

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-06 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:42:19 -0400, Bob Rutledge deerh...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Tom Marchant wrote: You misread the chart. I really thought Peter had it right, but you made me look: E358 LOAD (32) LY E304 LOAD (64) LG E350 STORE (32) STY E324 STORE (64) STG Apologies to all. Peter indeed had

Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-05 Thread Micheal Butz
Hi A number of the 64 bit instruction Seem to have a constant in the last Byte e.g. LG. 58 STG 50 would anyone know the siginifcance of this Thankx Sent from my iPhone -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-05 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
(a half-byte). HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Micheal Butz Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 6:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Suffix of 64 bit instructions Hi A number of the 64 bit instruction Seem

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-05 Thread Jim Thomas
(res) j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Micheal Butz Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Suffix of 64 bit instructions Hi A number of the 64 bit

Re: Suffix of 64 bit instructions

2011-08-05 Thread Tom Marchant
is a good one to study. -- Tom Marchant -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Micheal Butz Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 6:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Suffix of 64 bit instructions Hi A number of the 64 bit