Ok, it has been suggested a couple times to kill this thread and no one
listened. So, I'm now going to say it, please kill this thread immediately
or I'm going to start setting people to NOPOST status. Thank you.
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>Downsview is actually still open, sort of. It is being used by Canadair
for final assembly of the Q-400 DASH.
>So while the 'base' is not open (well there are still military presence
>there) a runway still exists, and pl
>Downsview is actually still open, sort of. It is being used by Canadair for
>final assembly of the Q-400 DASH.
>So while the 'base' is not open (well there are still military presence there)
>a runway still exists, and planes fly in and out regularly
My original post, as a response, listed th
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>Sigh! Pearson is in Mississauga, which is in Peel Region, which is part of
>the GTA.
Not according to the maps I use.
Yes! It's in Peel,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto/Downsview_Airport
Current is a private airport for Bombadier manufacturing and testing.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On 22 February 2011 20:30, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>>>Downsview and Buttonville are all in the GTA
>>
>> Downsview hasn'
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>> Downsview hasn't existed for years.
>Strange - it was there on Monday evening when I
>> Downsview hasn't existed for years.
>Strange - it was there on Monday evening when I last visited.
>It was dark, and the red obstruction lights stood out quite clearly.
The airport was shut down before the turn of the millenium.
The base is mothballed.
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On 22 February 2011 20:30, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>>Downsview and Buttonville are all in the GTA
>
> Downsview hasn't existed for years.
Strange - it was there on Monday evening when I last visited. It was
dark, and the red obstruction lights stood out quite clearly. Google
Maps also thinks it's ther
In ,
on 02/22/2011
at 04:40 PM, Greg Shirey said:
>Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX "in"
>LA?
I thought it was?
>is Flushing (JFK) "in" NYC? (It is in a borough)
Do you mean NYC or Manhattan? I thought that NYC was made up of the
boroughs.
>National (Reagan)
I think we ought to kill this thread. Besides we all know he was the Lone
Ranger’s best friend.
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:27:54 -0500, Joe Testa wrote:
>The Borough of Manhattan maps to New York County.
>
I stand corrected. I was in a hurry to leave New York (State) to head to
Massachusetts (not Mississauga). Borough of Manhattan = New York County.
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At 17:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, zMan wrote about Re: "What is Toronto":
Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX "in"
LA? is Flushing (JFK) "in" NYC? (It is in a borough)
NYC is all 5 Boroughs (it is not only Manhattan). Both LGA and J
>Sigh! Pearson is in Mississauga, which is in Peel Region, which is part of
>the GTA.
Not according to the maps I use.
Yes! It's in Peel, but it's near Torbram road, which is the boundary between
Brampton an Toronto.
It's actually in Malton.
By the time you get to Airport Road, you've left M
Sigh! Pearson is in Mississauga, which is in Peel Region, which is part of the
GTA.
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:26:59 +
> From: eamacn...@yahoo.ca
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> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>
> >a side note. Person airport is not actua
The Borough of Manhattan maps to New York County.
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:15:35 -0600
> From: scottfagen...@yahoo.com
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> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:28:44 -0500, zMan wrote:
>
> [clip]
>
>
>Downsview and Buttonville are all in the GTA
Downsview hasn't existed for years.
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>a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city called
>Mississauga
It's Pearson.
And, it's actually not in Mississauga, but in Peel Region, east of Mississauga.
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:28:44 -0500, zMan wrote:
>Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX "in"
>LA? is Flushing (JFK) "in" NYC? (It is in a borough)
These kinds of distinctions even trip up people. First of all, New York
City is comprised of the "Five Boroughs," so, ye
zMan wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:
At 15:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, Galambos, Robert wrote about Re: "What is
Toronto":
as a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city
called Mississauga
IOW: It is an Toronto area ai
Right - D/FW Airport is neither in Dallas nor Fort Worth.
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Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX "in"
LA? is
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:
> At 15:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, Galambos, Robert wrote about Re: "What is
> Toronto":
>
>> as a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city
>> called Mississauga
>
> IO
> One less factor for Toronto or one more for Chicago might have flipped the
> order and won instead of lost the $947 bet
I guess being a U.S. City would have made the difference. That factor was
overlooked.
Cliff McNeill
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Toronto City Centre (Billy Bishop) Airport is in downtown Toronto. (Kind of.)
Pearson, Downsview and Buttonville are all in the GTA.
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:37:27 -0500
> From: hal9...@panix.com
> Subject: Re: "What is Toronto"
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>
At 15:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, Galambos, Robert wrote about Re: "What
is Toronto":
as a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but
another city called Mississauga
IOW: It is an Toronto area airport like Newark/Liberty (which is in
Newark NJ) is an NYC area airport
At 16:20 -0600 on 02/21/2011, Scott Fagen wrote about Re: "What is Toronto":
You can't use a question that Watson missed (like the Toronto one)
Chicago was #2 on Watson's list (at 11%) and was just slightly lower
ranked than Toronto (at 14%) so it ALMOST got it right (
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>So Toronto Airport (YTZ) is the smallest of the 3 Toronto Airports?
I think Buttonville is smaller than Toronto Island.
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>does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the
>largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named
after a WWII battle
All,
Like Walt, I'm so spokesperson for Watson, but I have seen a video on
YouTube that helped explain the final Jeopardy! response of Toronto. Go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-M7O_bRNg
3 minutes into the 10 minute video is where it starts. Around 4 minutes,
although we never saw it on
"Don't anthropomorphise computers: They don't like it." :-)
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We shouldn't make the mistake that Watson is actually thinking about or
knows the answers. What it does is akin to what Google does. It rips apart
the category and original clue into important and non-important terms to
search (with some programming help for Jeopardy-like wordplay that often
occu
Of course, apropos of nothing, there's also the capital of Albania -- but they
spell it differently. ;-)
(Yes, I know it's not Friday, but it is a holiday up here in the Great White
North.)
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:13:52 -0500
> From: donb...@gmail.com
> Su
>So Toronto Airport (YTZ) is the smallest of the 3 Toronto Airports?
I think Buttonville is smaller than Toronto Island.
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Of course, this could refer to Toronto, Ohio which is not far from Canada!
Whi
At 11:35 -0500 on 02/21/2011, zMan wrote about Re: "What is Toronto":
Not so much. Pearson was a WWI veteran and prime minister; the next
largest Toronto airport is Toronto Islands, I believe, which is named
after, well, the island.
So Toronto Airport (YTZ) is the smallest of the
At 19:01 +0200 on 02/21/2011, Binyamin Dissen wrote about Re: "What
is Toronto?":
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:30:10 -0600 Walt Farrell wrote:
:>Then they showed an example where this feedback enabled Watson's "machine
:>learning" algorithms to learn from thos
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:45:54 -0500, J R wrote:
>> Note that Watson signaled its dissatisfaction with its response by
>> suffixing its answer with a string of ?s and betting under $1000.
>
>
>Watson didn't know what the question was when he made his wager, so that
didn't signal his dissatisfact
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:01:30 +0200, Binyamin Dissen
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>On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:30:10 -0600 Walt Farrell wrote:
>
>:>Then they showed an example where this feedback enabled Watson's "machine
>:>learning" algorithms to learn from those answers. In that example, the
>:>category name was somethi
> Downsview was a suburb of Toronto, before the amalgamation a decade ago.
Yes, just like Buttonville.
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:49:42 +
> From: eamacn...@yahoo.ca
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> >Another large
On 21 February 2011 09:56, john gilmore wrote:
> To my knowledge IBM has not explained how Watson came to move Toronto south
> into the United States.
Keep in mind that there *are* several Torontos in the United States.
There's one in Australia, too, and to my knowledge all are named for
the ori
>Another large Toronto airport was "Downsview", a military airport which had
>significant WWII connections.
Downsview was a suburb of Toronto, before the amalgamation a decade ago.
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>The island airport is named after Billy Bishop, WWI hero who also served in
WWII.
Nobdy I know, in Toronto, calls it anything but the Island Airport (or Toronto
Island Airport), including the city newspapers.
And, I've lived in Toronto for 30 years.
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ith the category.
(Why "US Cities" would cause him dissatisfaction is beyond me. I would have
thought most would bet big on that.)
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:20:00 -0500
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Of course, this could refer to Toronto, Ohio which is not far from Canada!
Which is also rumored to be one of the first places to buy an NCR product from
Mr. Watson himself.
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> Buttonville -- which is now closed, I believe.
Not yet ... but it will be in a year or so.
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:37:03 +
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> >does Toronto meet any of
>does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the
>largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named
after a WWII battle?
No.
There are four commercial airports in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA).
Pearson International Airport -- named after our first Prime Mini
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I wonder if the Wats
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:35:14 -0500, zMan wrote:
>Not so much. Pearson was a WWI veteran and prime minister; the next
>largest Toronto airport is Toronto Islands, I believe, which is named
>after, well, the island.
Pearson served in both WWI and WWII.
The island airport is named after Billy Bisho
ry airport which had
significant WWII connections. Don't know if there was any battle with a
similar name.
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:35:14 -0500
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> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011
At 9:22 AM -0600 on 2/21/11, Paul Peplinski wrote about Re: "What is Toronto":
Given that - does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two
airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named
after a WWII battle?
It meets the 2 airport, one nam
At 9:30 AM -0600 on 2/21/11, Walt Farrell wrote about Re: "What is Toronto?":
Final Jeopardy does not provide the opportunity for Watson to get that kind
of feedback, as there is only one answer/question. So I suspect (but again I
do not know for sure) that "What is Toronto&q
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:30:10 -0600 Walt Farrell wrote:
:>Then they showed an example where this feedback enabled Watson's "machine
:>learning" algorithms to learn from those answers. In that example, the
:>category name was something about "months" and the answers gave pairs of
:>holidays that oc
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Paul Peplinski
wrote:
> Given that - does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two
> airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named
> after a WWII battle?
Not so much. Pearson was a WWI veteran and prime minister; the next
veral (4?) questions. Watson
was then
> able to corretly answer subsequent questions in that category.
>
> Final Jeopardy does not provide the opportunity for Watson to get that
kind
> of feedback, as there is only one answer/question. So I suspect (but
again I
> do not know for s
ion. So I suspect (but again I
do not know for sure) that "What is Toronto" just shows that they still
didn't exactly know how to interpret category names and factor them into the
voting algorithms that allow Watson to determine the best answer. Remember
that Watson generates many pos
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:56:10 +, john gilmore
wrote:
>To my knowledge IBM has not explained how Watson came to move Toronto
south into the United States.
>
>We can of course guess. It seems likely that Toronto figures as an
important destination|origin of traffic of some kind among North
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:09:26 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>Has IBM explained the logic for this response?
>
In the IBM-sponsored "A Smarter Planet" blog at
http://asmarterplanet.com/blog/2011/02
Watson's response is discussed in the February 15 article titled "Watson on
Jeopardy! Day Two: The C
To my knowledge IBM has not explained how Watson came to move Toronto south
into the United States.
We can of course guess. It seems likely that Toronto figures as an important
destination|origin of traffic of some kind among North American nodes many of
which are United Statesian cities, an
Has IBM explained the logic for this response?
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