Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-02 Thread Clark Morris
On 1 Mar 2010 13:07:29 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On 3/1/2010 2:24 PM, Bill Fairchild wrote: The flip side of this coin is that we who build the technical guts of products all too easily can become arrogant. If there weren't dumb end users, we developers would have much

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-02 Thread Clark Morris
: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: OT: need for SmartUser? This is not really about IBM mainframes. But it is, in a sense, about computing in general. And, perhaps, why mainframes are viewed as archaic. This is a slashdot article. The person appears to be asking

OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread McKown, John
This is not really about IBM mainframes. But it is, in a sense, about computing in general. And, perhaps, why mainframes are viewed as archaic. This is a slashdot article. The person appears to be asking a serious question. But, how stupid should computer users be allowed to become?

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Pace
This can't help but make me remember - You try to make things idiot proof, you just get a better idiot. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:23 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.comwrote: This is not really about IBM mainframes. But it is, in a sense, about computing in general. And, perhaps,

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Bill Fairchild
[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: OT: need for SmartUser? This is not really about IBM mainframes. But it is, in a sense, about computing in general. And, perhaps, why mainframes are viewed as archaic

Re: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Kelman, Tom
of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: OT: need for SmartUser? This is not really about IBM mainframes

Re: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Bill Fairchild
: +1.617.614.4503 * Mobile: +1.508.341.1715 Email: bi...@mainstar.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Kelman, Tom Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: need

Re: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Howard Brazee
On 1 Mar 2010 07:55:11 -0800, thomas.kel...@commercebank.com (Kelman, Tom) wrote: The big problem is that no one knows how to read, or write, anymore. This is always a complaint. And by always, I go back as far as recorded history exists. I was at a well known, excellent engineering school

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005bde01...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 03/01/2010 at 08:23 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: This is not really about IBM mainframes. But it is, in a sense, about computing in general. And, perhaps, why mainframes are viewed as archaic.

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: OT: need for SmartUser? In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005bde01

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Rick Fochtman
: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: OT: need for SmartUser? This is not really about IBM mainframes. But it is, in a sense, about

Re: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Rick Fochtman
[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: OT: need for SmartUser? This is not really about IBM mainframes. But it is, in a sense, about computing in general. And, perhaps, why mainframes are viewed as archaic

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Too bad there's no vaccie for Stupid Syndrome. :-__ Too bad END USER is not a valid instruction on any platform! Ignorance is curable. Stupidity is forever! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip- Did the people understand the postings as written? That is the acid test. Legal papers get edited and checked and re-checked - which doesn't mean they are unambiguously clear.

Re: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Time to fire some grade school teachers and get the rest back to teaching some basic skills. Hear! Hear! When I was in elementary/secondary school, my non-English teachers still graded my English on all assignments. When my sons went through, it didn't matter! I complained to my younger's

SV: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Berg
-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: OT: need for SmartUser? Too bad there's no vaccie for Stupid Syndrome. :-__ Too bad END USER is not a valid instruction on any platform! Ignorance is curable. Stupidity is forever! - Too busy driving to stop for gas

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip-- Too true. Too bad we can't do to our users what a DI can do to their recruits to get them to shape up. (drop and give me 50, you button clicking idiot!!)

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Bill Fairchild
: +1.508.341.1715 Email: bi...@mainstar.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: OT: need for SmartUser? Too bad there's

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The flip side of this coin is that we who build the technical guts of products all too easily can become arrogant. Possibly. If there weren't dumb end users, we developers would have much smaller incomes. I don't have a problem with most users. But, there are always a couple that prove the

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: OT: need for SmartUser? The flip side of this coin is that we who build the technical guts

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 3/1/2010 2:24 PM, Bill Fairchild wrote: The flip side of this coin is that we who build the technical guts of products all too easily can become arrogant. If there weren't dumb end users, we developers would have much smaller incomes. Several years ago I worked for an ISV whose most

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Scott Rowe
I think I may know who you are talking about ;-) I assume this was the same ISV you and I worked together at? Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net 3/1/2010 4:06 PM Several years ago I worked for an ISV whose most valuable employee worked in the Quality Assurance group. She had a knack for

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:34:59 -0500, Scott Rowe wrote: I think I may know who you are talking about ;-) I assume this was the same ISV you and I worked together at? Gerhard Postpischil 3/1/2010 4:06 PM Several years ago I worked for an ISV whose most valuable employee worked in the Quality

Re: OT: need for SmartUser?

2010-03-01 Thread Ed Gould
From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 8:23:23 AM Subject: OT: need for SmartUser? This is not really about IBM mainframes. But it is, in a sense, about computing in general. And, perhaps, why mainframes