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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell
In a message dated 12/29/2010 10:56:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com writes:
Maybe we should refurbish IBM 3278s instead of PC with 3270E
Emulators?
IBM pretty much dropped
We ran into the same tar problem. I run Fedora linux on my laptop
and did something like:
cd /media/
tar cf ~/sas92.ds01.tar ./
and ftp'ed that to z/os on the omvs side. Using pax to unpackage
the archive resulted in the error. I then installed pax on my
laptop and that did the trick.
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d5e05...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 12/30/2010
at 09:44 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:
Ah, I fondly remember the 370/145's builtin console. But the one on
the 168 was really neat - it was actually a vector-based 3270
No, the 3066
In listserv%201012301337319642.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 12/30/2010
at 01:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Can't you order it from Microsoft?
Order what? New local policy?
Problem: SAS doesn't know how to spell SMP/E.
Or FTP; they insist on using HTTP for delivery.
--
In aanlktiktpbrkky2phwpee+q9lmffwuoufnygt3b0i...@mail.gmail.com, on
12/30/2010
at 04:51 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
The mainframe itself never has had a built in display
FSVO builtin. I'd certainly consider an, e.g., 3066, to be builtin.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
limitation preventing SAS install
At 14:37 -0800 on 12/29/2010, Schwarz, Barry A wrote about Re: tar
limitation preventing SAS install:
That is exactly what I did. Unfortunately, when the path includes
multiple directories with more than dozens of characters per
directory name, it doesn't take
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 4:02 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
You can make a tarball on Windows? With what utility
At 12:34 -0800 on 12/31/2010, Schwarz, Barry A wrote about Re: tar
limitation preventing SAS install:
I started out to do what you suggested but got bogged down with 40
character substrings that appeared in a node name, was repeated in a
leaf name in that path, and then differed by only a few
: Thursday, 30 December 2010 9:40 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
Is it a 3590 (no drive) cartridge or a 3592 (usable) cartridge?
Admittedly my
communications are filtered through my procurement group but SAS never
mentioned a tape distribution
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:43:18 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
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In the longer view, I'd be dismayed that Windows, a fortiori
a particular level of a particular
...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 9:40 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
Is it a 3590 (no drive) cartridge or a 3592 (usable) cartridge?
Admittedly my
communications are filtered through my procurement group
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:51:00 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
The mainframe itself never has had a built in display and required a
terminal while a person is entering data or reviewing status or
output.
Of course it has. The mainframe has always come with a console.
Some have been display consoles
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:54:08 -0500, Don Poitras wrote:
In article listserv%201012292217099289.0...@bama.ua.edu Gil wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:52:26 -0500, Don Poitras wrote:
On the higher-level versions of Windows 7 (above Home Premium) you can
also download SUA (Subsystem for UNIX-based
Insurance Company.SM
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:51:00
-ibmm...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:51:00 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
The mainframe itself never has had a built in display and required a
terminal while a person is entering data or reviewing status or
output
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:28:16 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A
barry.a.schw...@boeing.com wrote:
Actually, you have to use their installation application to produce a 9GB tree
which you then must transfer to OMVS.
What PC utility did you use to ftp the entire tree and preserve its structure
and long
In 20101228145843.14b468f...@panix3.panix.com, on 12/28/2010
at 09:58 AM, Don Poitras poit...@pobox.com said:
While I am fully comfortable using the newer unix facilities on z/OS
(including X11),
X11 itself is pretty long in the tooth. The problem is not that it's
new, the problem is that
In a message dated 12/29/2010 10:56:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com writes:
Maybe we should refurbish IBM 3278s instead of PC with 3270E Emulators?
IBM pretty much dropped the nuggets when they tried to prop up the cash
cows. We had to replace a 20Mb hard drive in
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:51:00 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
The mainframe itself never has had a built in display and required a
terminal while a person is entering data or reviewing status or
output.
Of course it has.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:31:49 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In 20101228145843.14b468f...@panix3.panix.com, on 12/28/2010
at 09:58 AM, Don Poitras said:
While I am fully comfortable using the newer unix facilities on z/OS
(including X11),
X11 itself is pretty long in the tooth. The
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Tom Marchant
What I want to know is who at SAS thought it this was an installation
process that was anywhere near acceptable?
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:31:49 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
What I want to know is who at SAS
I could be wrong, but SAS Institute appears to be another arrogant vendor.
They have an excellent product with a large share of their market.
Therefore we are the best and you need to conform to our ideas.
Probably started when their codebase went to C.
I believe that your last comment is just
Actually, SAS had a bunch of Fortran in it way back when, you could tell
from the DDNAMEs. But yes, I would be more inclined to go to WPS now, even
if cost wasn't a factor. Their install was never very good, and now it
sounds like a major nightmare.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Ted MacNEIL
Actually, SAS had a bunch of Fortran in it way back when, you could tell from
the DDNAMEs.
Yes. I'd forgotten.
Log: FT11F001
List: FT12F001
But, I'd discussed this with many SAS'rs in the early 1980's.
And, PL/1 was most of the code.
Had to have PLINK (and the other -- PLBASE?) in LPA, LNK, or
Yes, I only meant that it was a mix of PL/I and Fortran.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
Actually, SAS had a bunch of Fortran in it way back when, you could tell
from the DDNAMEs.
Yes. I'd forgotten.
Log: FT11F001
List: FT12F001
But, I'd discussed
Yes, I only meant that it was a mix of PL/I and Fortran.
Yes, I know you did.
But, C was required to go multi-platform.
And, arrogance still reigns!
(Has since at least 1981 -- they still don't get it!)
-
Ted MacNEIL
eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Gillis
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
Sent: Monday, 27 December 2010 12:51 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: tar limitation preventing SAS install
If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read
, December 27, 2010 5:56 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
The vendor's leaving processing to the customer on an unspecified
platform using uncontrolled utilities is rife with hazards. At
best, it introduces undocumented prerequisites.
Could
.
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Arthur Gutowski
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
If I read it correctly, the tar is as-distributed
10:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
Is the package delivered as a *.zip? If so, could it be transmitted
as a BLOb to z/OS and unpacked with the jar command? If not, SAS
has missed another opportunity
Of
Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 8:32 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:50:58 -0500, Veilleux, Jon L wrote:
Would it help to create a symbolic link to the file with a shorter path name?
Errr... On Windows, where
Gillis
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
While I managed to install SAS 9.2 on z/OS, I failed dismally with the DVD
and eventually had SAS ship a 3590 cart. Then the install was easy.
Still have the depot on my
I tried with pax also and received the exact same error messages.
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John McKown
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 6:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: tar limitation preventing SAS
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed by
using tar to prepare the depot for ftp to the mainframe, would you
please tell me how to get around the z/OS 1.11 tar limitation of 100
characters in a path name. I have
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:16:10 -0600, Paul Gilmartin
paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
If I read it correctly, the tar is as-distributed on the DVD, so if that was
not
built properly to begin with, windoze is the only drop for the untar.
I read it otherwise. From the OP:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:37:56 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
That is exactly what I did. Unfortunately, when the path includes multiple
directories with more than dozens of characters per directory name, it doesn't
take long to exceed 100 characters.
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From: IBM
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Tomasz Rola wrote:
I have never tried any of those myself, so be warned.
Crap. I mean, I have not tried tarfile in Python :-). Other than this,
Python has been somewhat tested during many years. I wonder if it could
run on Z/OS, however. There is a port, but it's a bit
On 30/12/2010 8:02 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
You can make a tarball on Windows? With what utility? (Not
that that would be meaningful to me.) When you list the directory
of that tarball, are the pathnames truncated or intact? If intact,
the problem is on the z/OS side (or a compatibility
In article 4d1bf072.1000...@gmail.com you wrote:
On 30/12/2010 8:02 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
You can make a tarball on Windows? With what utility? (Not
that that would be meaningful to me.) When you list the directory
of that tarball, are the pathnames truncated or intact? If intact,
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:52:26 -0500, Don Poitras wrote:
In article 4d1bf072.1000...@gmail.com you wrote:
Or you could just install cygwin and get all the nice linux goodies as
native windows apps, including tar.
On the higher-level versions of Windows 7 (above Home Premium) you can
also
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
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In the longer view, I'd be dismayed that Windows, a fortiori
a particular level of a particular version of Windows, should
be a prerequisite for installing any mainframe product.
-- gil
Maybe we should
In article listserv%201012292217099289.0...@bama.ua.edu you wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:52:26 -0500, Don Poitras wrote:
In article 4d1bf072.1000...@gmail.com you wrote:
Or you could just install cygwin and get all the nice linux goodies as
native windows apps, including tar.
On the
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:43:18 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
deleted
In the longer view, I'd be dismayed that Windows, a fortiori
a particular level of a particular version of Windows, should
be a prerequisite for installing any mainframe
At 14:37 -0800 on 12/29/2010, Schwarz, Barry A wrote about Re: tar
limitation preventing SAS install:
That is exactly what I did. Unfortunately, when the path includes
multiple directories with more than dozens of characters per
directory name, it doesn't take long to exceed 100 characters
Happy New Year!
In article listserv%201012280016100756.0...@bama.ua.edu you wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:39:33 -0600, Arthur Gutowski wrote:
SARCASM
If you really want to have some fun, you should try their internet delivery.
/SARCASM
Didn't IBM solve that problem with RECEIVE
Or as we say in Finland: Onnellista uutta vuotta. Happy new year, with a bit
of good fortune thrown in.
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Two regular contributors to this forum with SAS return addresses have
been conspicuously silent on this thread. Properly; it's prudent to
eschew
In article 20101228141815.630ed8f...@panix3.panix.com you wrote:
Happy New Year!
Sorry, I couldn't pass a setup like that. I don't think there's anyone
at Sas that's satisfied with the current situation regarding installation
on z/OS. Naturally, I can't get into the specifics, but I think it's
An
IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Kopie
Thema
Re: tar limitation preventing SAS install
Can't say for sure, but I'd use pax instead of tar. It does
everything tar does, and more. It can process tar files.
On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 17:50 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:34:37 +0100, Michael Klaeschen wrote:
... So from my reading: you will not be able to build an extended USTAR
formatted archive file from your PC -- unless your PC version of tar
implements z/OS features of course
RHETORIC
So why does SAS not deliver the product in a
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:50:47 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed by
using tar to prepare the depot for ftp to the mainframe, would you please
tell me how to get around the z/OS 1.11 tar limitation of 100 characters in a
path name.
preventing SAS install
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:50:47 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed by
using tar to prepare the depot for ftp to the mainframe, would you please
tell me how to get around the z/OS 1.11 tar limitation of 100 characters
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:50:58 -0500, Veilleux, Jon L wrote:
Would it help to create a symbolic link to the file with a shorter path name?
Errr... On Windows, where the data are lodged?
(But it might help to cd into the hierarchy and build the .tar
from there. If that's how tar works on
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:56:01, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
wrote:
RHETORIC
So why does SAS not deliver the product in a *.pax.Z archive built
on z/OS and verified to be usable on z/OS rather than leaving it
to the customers' ingenuity to manufacture one?
/RHETORIC
SARCASM
If you really
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:39:33 -0600, Arthur Gutowski wrote:
SARCASM
If you really want to have some fun, you should try their internet delivery.
/SARCASM
Didn't IBM solve that problem with RECEIVE FROMNETWORK. But SAS
doesn't believe in SMP/E. But I have no cause to boast. My
employer won't
If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed by using
tar to prepare the depot for ftp to the mainframe, would you please tell me
how to get around the z/OS 1.11 tar limitation of 100 characters in a path
name. I have tried both -O and -X to no avail.
Can't say for sure, but I'd use pax instead of tar. It does
everything tar does, and more. It can process tar files.
On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 17:50 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
If anyone has installed SAS 9.2 using a PC to read the DVDs followed
by using tar to prepare the depot for ftp to the
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