Re: Backup/Restore products at z/OS sites

2010-07-06 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote: A few weeks ago, I mentioned that I have an entirely z/OS job which will fetch and unwrap CBT-style packages. One reader of this list expressed interest and I sent him a copy. He reported that his site's network security policies prohibited its use. Sorry, but I'm

Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Matan Cohen
Hi, Today we faced a sort of crash in our Z9 machine. The problem started at 9:30 AM. The state of our machine was as follow : -In our PCHID boxes there were no lights on , but above it on our AD/CD convertor the lights were on. -The LPARS were down. Checking the status of the CPC showed

Re: Backup/Restore products at z/OS sites

2010-07-06 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Based on my experience, 100% have either one or the other. Having said that, I have suggested to SAS Technical Support *numerous* times that they implement FTP software delivery as a minimum. I never hear back from them on this suggestion and the lag time between the request and the next need

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Matan, Without regs or psw codes, I am not 100% sure on this answer. However, the phrase no power could mean either 1) You had a significant power drop that caused it to shutdown. You would need to get with your facility people and check PDUs, and power modulation to the z9 2) You

Re: Weird sysrem code 102

2010-07-06 Thread Joe Reichman
Reason code 0 Checking storage key -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Weird sysrem code 102 On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:47:24 -0400 Joe

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Staller, Allan
Why? What is syntactically incorrect with the below? Without observing the procedure being called, it is impossible to determine if a syntax error is in place. The converter/interpreter will find syntax errors in JCL. The classic JCL error. Job Failed due to file not found,. GDG BASE not found,

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 07:27:01 -0500, Staller, Allan wrote: Why? What is syntactically incorrect with the below? Without observing the procedure being called, it is impossible to determine if a syntax error is in place. //ALLOC EXEC PROC=A#,SP1=100,SP2=100, //

Re: Backup/Restore products at z/OS sites

2010-07-06 Thread Carson, Brad
Dan, We have both FDR and DSS here. At previous shops I worked at it was just DSS. Of course everyone has IEBCOPY since that is bundled as part of the OS. Brad S. Carson Manager Mainframe Technical Support Laboratory Corporation of America Phone: 336-436-8294 Fax: 336-436-1033 email:

Re: Backup/Restore products at z/OS sites

2010-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 01:50:41 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Paul Gilmartin wrote: A few weeks ago, I mentioned that I have an entirely z/OS job which will fetch and unwrap CBT-style packages. One reader of this list expressed interest and I sent him a copy. He reported that his site's network

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Staller, Allan
Again, what is syntactically incorrect? Everything after PROC=A# is a parameter or nullification (V=) passed to the procedure. snip: Why? What is syntactically incorrect with the below? Without observing the procedure being called, it is impossible to determine if a syntax error is in place.

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Joel C. Ewing
This would be a semantic error (dealing with meaning), not a syntax error (the physical ordering of symbols). I believe the point is that the semantic error of repeating the same keyword parameter is detected as an error in some cases (like on a DD statement), so it is inconsistent that the same

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread John P. Baker
John, Actually, it is documented to work that way. According to the JCL reference, if the same symbolic keyword is present multiple time, the value used is that provided by the first occurrence. Checking back through some old manuals, this has been the case since at least OS/360 r21.7. John P.

Re: Backup/Restore products at z/OS sites

2010-07-06 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Firewall security rules. Their z system is not permitted to connect to ftp.cbttape.org. Ok. Thanks. It seemed reasonable to me. I was afraid they don't like your z/OS job. Many thanks for replying to my question. It is very kind of you. ;) Groete / Greetings Elardus

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Charles Mills
It seems to me that it is JCL's job to catch the error because the writer of the PROC has no opportunity to do so. It's an obvious opportunity for a dumb user error -- and it's the job of the system (broadly defined to include JCL, the sysprog who wrote the PROC, etc.) to diagnose it. Quibbling

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread John Hooper
This thread has had some interesting comments. I agree that in todays world it is a terrible idea to develop your own screening or front-end code to provide functionality. The ENQ front-end was done 15 years ago and has served us well. It has allowed us to sort-of have our cake and eat it

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread McKown, John
We allow test jobs to READ some production (non HIPAA) data. And it is known that they will be CANCELed if they need to be or get in production's way. If a test job causes a production job to go down, it is written up and the programmer gets a talking to. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT

TIMEUSED result and TCBTTIME

2010-07-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Shouldn't the values be close, with the TIMEUSED result possibly slightly more than TCBTTIME? What is the source of the data for the TIMEUSED macro (other than the remaining time in the current interval, which will come from the CPU timer)? -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
John Hooper jhoo...@foodlion.com wrote in message news:listserv%201007060855033012.0...@bama.ua.edu... This thread has had some interesting comments. I agree that in todays world it is a terrible idea to develop your own screening or front-end code to provide functionality. The ENQ

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 06:54:54 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: It seems to me that it is JCL's job to catch the error because the writer of the PROC has no opportunity to do so. It's an obvious opportunity for a dumb user error -- and it's the job of the system (broadly defined to include JCL, the

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote in message news:listserv%201007060926010003.0...@bama.ua.edu... On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 06:54:54 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: It seems to me that it is JCL's job to catch the error because the writer of the PROC has no opportunity to do so. It's an obvious

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 08:55:03 -0500, John Hooper wrote: ... I do have a question. What do most shops do to prevent this condition? I see three options. I hope there are more. One - I think CA-MIM can address this problem. Is that true? Two - Totally physically

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread John Hooper
The dynamic allocation issue that we suffer from is primarily IDCAMS. Some of the functions that do not use the FILE parameter allocate the affected file with dynamic allocation. There are other utilities such as DFDSS (ADRDSSU) that also get involved at least with ENQ testing. These may or

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:46:59 -0500, John Hooper wrote: will now cause failures. An improperly scheduled production job may cause another to fail. Someone will have to scour syslogs to find those jobs. With the front-end one job would just wait a little bit. This facility has saved thousands of

Re: Query in Sort

2010-07-06 Thread Donald Johnson
The Two file match in EZT assumes the files are sorted in desired sequence already, and will present them to the program in either both files, or one or the other if they exist only there. For example: If File1 has the following records AAA BBB FFF GGG JJJ and File2 has the following records DDD

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread McKown, John
Perhaps what is needed is a new PARMLIB specification in the ALLOCnn member. Perhaps similar to the SDSN_WAIT parameter. Perhaps called DYN_DSN_WAIT(YES|NO). Which would specify whether a DYNALLOC of an in use dataset should WAIT until the DSN is freed or not. Now, I know that this can lead to

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:46:59 -0500, John Hooper wrote:

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote in message news:listserv%201007060957004521.0...@bama.ua.edu... On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:46:59 -0500, John Hooper wrote: will now cause failures. An improperly scheduled production job may cause another to fail. Someone will have to scour syslogs to

Dynamic sortwork

2010-07-06 Thread R.S.
I observed that DFSORT does use n-1 dynamic sortwk files. For n=4 only 3 files have non-zero space. Fourth is empty (only VTOC entry). It's unrelated to number of files or space constraints. For the same data to be sorted one can increase n and still gets approx. the same total number of

Re: PC Screening (Was: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation)

2010-07-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
In its initial release, TMON/MVS front-ended the first load module involved in GETMAIN/FREEMAIN after all validation and common entry logic (SVC, PC, branch-entry, etc.) had been processed. The reason was to detect and identify orphan pieces of virtual storage in CSA/ECSA/SQA/ESQA. This

OPC ETT job

2010-07-06 Thread Bri
Hi folks We have several jobs that are submitted externally to OPC which we use as ‘trigger’ jobs for applications; they are the first job in the application, and we use OPC’s ETT function to see the job, automatically add the application and, and run the rest of the jobs in that application.

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/6/2010 10:28:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, hmerr...@jackhenry.com writes: Any time our box goes down we immediately put in a severity one service call. We ask for detailed, specific reason(s) why it failed. The CE and support center gather the information and report

Re: Query in Sort

2010-07-06 Thread Ram Study
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Network Data Mover

2010-07-06 Thread Ram Study
Is there any document for NDM. I have used CF and SS alone. Any Idea Please help me.. Regards, Ram Balaji.S. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
I was once granted access to, and crashability of, a totally isolated test system to test my sensitive supervisor state, key 0 code. I managed to cause JES2 on the test system to crash just after it had done a hardware reserve to its checkpoint data set, which, of course, was also shared by

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:07:27 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: At present, use of S99WTDSN is restricted to APF authorized jobs. And that is a good thing, isn't it? You don't want everybody to create deadlocks, only APF programmers. APF programmers are responsible for setting timers and

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Charles Mills
I've been writing and invoking macros since Assembler D (DOS/360 1968) and I don't believe that duplicated keyword parameters were ever accepted. I could be wrong. Somehow for a parameter *file* like PARMLIB I'm willing to accept that duplicates should be accepted and that the last value should

Re: Network Data Mover

2010-07-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Have you contacted Sterling Commerce for a copy of the manuals? If you have a license, they should provide the manuals. Lizette -Original Message- From: Ram Study rambal...@chennairocks.in Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Network Data Mover Is there any

Re: Dynamic sortwork

2010-07-06 Thread David Betten
Yes it is correct. We try to allocate all the required space using n-1 work data sets and we keep that 1 additional to use if the work space requirement is larger than expected. Have a nice day, Dave Betten DFSORT Development, Performance Lead IBM Corporation email: bet...@us.ibm.com

Re: Network Data Mover

2010-07-06 Thread Lester, Bob
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ram Study Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Network Data Mover Is there any document for NDM. I have used CF and SS alone. Any Idea

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Hal Merritt
Any time our box goes down we immediately put in a severity one service call. We ask for detailed, specific reason(s) why it failed. The CE and support center gather the information and report back to us. As other responders suggest, it was most likely that your power went out of tolerance

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Brian Peterson
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:50:09 +0300, Matan Cohen wrote: -In the ‘Hardware Messages’ we found a new message from 9:41 AM the message indicate on a ‘POWER PROBLEM – problem # 81’ . You should engage your hardware vendor for support for this problem. If you wish to play CE yourself, from the HMC,

Re: Network Data Mover

2010-07-06 Thread Bill Johnson
NDM is called Connect Direct now. IBM just recently purchased Sterling software, the Connect Direct owner from ATT. From: Ram Study rambal...@chennairocks.in To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 12:35:22 PM Subject: Network Data Mover Is there

Re: Network Data Mover

2010-07-06 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 1:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Network Data Mover NDM is called Connect Direct now. IBM just recently purchased Sterling software, the

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Matan Cohen
thanks you all for the enrichment of knowledge . Brian - i already did that but i couldn't find more info I probably must call IBM on this issue , our contract with them is out of date so i tried to avoid doing that. more opinions and advise will be welcome. thanks again. On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 7/6/2010 12:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: And that doesn't help. Yes, it does. There will still be cases where any compression produces larger output, but it is more likely that when one method fails, another will show improvement. Just consider PKZIP in its entierty as a complex

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Three - Use the security system to not even allow READ access. Even with absolutely no access, I can (accident or design) still issue an exclusive on a dataset. As long as I don't open it, I can still specify DISP=OLD. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota!

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation Three - Use the security system to not even allow READ

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-07-06 20:43, Matan Cohen pisze: thanks you all for the enrichment of knowledge . Brian - i already did that but i couldn't find more info I probably must call IBM on this issue , our contract with them is out of date so i tried to avoid doing that. more opinions and advise will be

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Hal Merritt
This level of support is why you have a service contract in the first place. That power hit could have put the box out of service. Indeed, many boxes require a CE to perform a restart procedure after a serious power hit. I would go ahead and place the service call using the IBM service portal.

Re: Amusing JCL Oddity

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I might at first say see you next Tuesday at 10 and a little later say I might be running late, so make it between 10 and 11. You would not ignore the latter value because I had already provided an earlier value. I might if I didn't check my e-mail regularily. Also, relating programming

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Doesn't it phone home by itself? How can it phone home if it's down? Is the HMC still up? I remember with 3090 and 9000 they couldn't phone home after a crash. The SCE (system control element ?) was integrated, so it was down, as well. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation!

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Charles Mills
Can't the lengthens case be limited in theory to lengthens by one bit because we can simply add a flag bit for compressed/not compressed. (Practically speaking, it would probably be one byte, allowing for additional information such as compression method or options.) BTW, I think your 50% was

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Bob Shannon
Even with absolutely no access, I can (accident or design) still issue an exclusive on a dataset. As long as I don't open it, I can still specify DISP=OLD. I wonder if IBM would consider changing that? Of course, there could be a case where a program, via APF, could access a dataset which

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The formal proof applies to PKZIP regardless of its internal complexity. While your statement sounds plausible, it's not compelling. If you treat PKZIP as a black box. IE: data in -- compressed out. Then the formal proof still applies. If I remember my Computing. Theory correctly, from the

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I wonder if IBM would consider changing that? Don't ask me; ask them. Of course, a new interface would have to be designed. RACF already has hooks in OPEN, they would have to put one in ENQ. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota!

Re: GML - still available after all these years...

2010-07-06 Thread Neil Duffee
z/OS v1.9, Waterloo Script v9.8.1 (includes GML) here. Our Student Information System has been using Waterloo Script/GML since before I started in the late '80s. All letters to students - primarily offers of admissions, transcripts, et al - are generated from coded paragraphs ie. student

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-07-06 21:23, Ted MacNEIL pisze: Doesn't it phone home by itself? How can it phone home if it's down? Is the HMC still up? This is the onlyu valid question, because CPC does NOT call home (directly), HMC does (*). However this question was already answered: this machine is out

Re: Z9 machine crash

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Actually 'call home' does not necessarily mean a real modem calling. IBM's number. The same service can be done using Internet connection. I meant it generically. Actually 'call home' is generic, as well. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota!

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation I wonder if IBM would consider changing that? Don't ask me;

Re: AF/Operator

2010-07-06 Thread Sebastian Welton
Thanks for the clarification. We're currently moving from AF/Operator to SA and I had been given this impression although I think the main reason is because SA provides functionality that AF/Operator doesn't (and I like AF/Operator so its good to see it still going.) Seb. On Thu, 1 Jul 2010

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Or in allocation. Why allocatate that which you cannot open? Becaus it's easy? - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 9:39 AM -0500 on 07/06/2010, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation: (Three) scarcely helps. RACF does not intervene against ENQs. If a job contains //N DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SYS1.LINKLIB, JES2 will bring it to an initiator where it will wait until all other ENQs of

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 10:00 AM -0500 on 07/06/2010, McKown, John wrote about Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation: Perhaps what is needed is a new PARMLIB specification in the ALLOCnn member. Perhaps similar to the SDSN_WAIT parameter. Perhaps called DYN_DSN_WAIT(YES|NO). Which would specify whether a DYNALLOC

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
the EXC ENQ is held until the last step that uses the data set has completed I always thought it was until the end of the job. Thus the need for FREE=CLOSE. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip--- The formal proof applies to PKZIP regardless of its internal complexity. While your statement sounds plausible, it's not compelling. If you treat PKZIP as a black box. IE: data in -- compressed out. Then the

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Greg Shirey
Source: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r9/index.jsp?topic=/com.i bm.zos.r9.ieab600/xdddisp.htm DISP and ENQ: Before starting the first step of a job, the initiator requests control of all of the data sets in that job by issuing an ENQ for each of them, using the value specified

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'm a results oriented guy; formal proofs, elegant or otherwise, don't float my boat anywhere near as well as concrete results that I can quantify. I tend to agree with you; without the time to do an empirical study on compression what do you have? I've never had a compressed file come out

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
held until the end of the last step which references that data set, at which point the ENQ is released entirely. I'll take your (and the manual's) word for it. But, we did some tests (circa 1985), where we would add and IEFBR14 with a disp=old, to a multi-hour job, and try to access the dataset

July 7 Webcast - Linux on System z Disk I/O Performance - 9:00 AMEDT or 2:00 PM EDT

2010-07-06 Thread Pamela Christina enjoying the airconditioning
Hi Everyone! Hope you're staying cool. We're having a a heatwave in Endicott. :-) Cross posted to IBMMAIN, IBMVM and LINUX-390 for those who are interested in hour-long educational opportunities for Linux on System z. (Remember that you can find links to this webcast and other events on the

Sample BMS Compile JCL

2010-07-06 Thread Sergio Lima
Hello List, We need here, compile some BMS MAPS, and don't have the JCL to do this in hand. We have my source maps in lib USER.CICS.MAPAS, need put the Cobol copybook in the USER.CICS.COPYLIB, and catalog the load modules in the USER.CICS.LOAD. Someone can help us about this ?

Re: Sample BMS Compile JCL

2010-07-06 Thread Matthew Stitt
Well, here is what I used: //STEP01 EXEC DFHMAPT,MAPLIB='MSTITT.HBOC.MAP.LOADLIB', // DSCTLIB='MSTITT.HBOC.MAP.SOURCE', // TEMPLIB='MSTITT.HBOC.MAP.WEBLIB', // MAPNAME=DFH0STS, // A=,

Re: Sample BMS Compile JCL

2010-07-06 Thread Sergio Lima
Hello, First thanks very much from your help. Sorry about my bad experience with JCL. Try run, hand gove the error below : 45 //COPY.SYSUT1 DD DSN=AMP;EXPND,DISP=(OLD,DELETE) O. MESSAGE 2 IEFC001I PROCEDURE DFHMAPT WAS EXPANDED

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:40:53 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: I'm a results oriented guy; formal proofs, elegant or otherwise, don't float my boat anywhere near as well as concrete results that I can quantify. You may safely disregard a formal proof that a technique will work, and operate as if it

Changing data set space values.

2010-07-06 Thread ibmnew
Hi all We are installing z/OS 1.11 using Serverpac. Normal we issue 'CH S 100 * 100' command to increase the all datasets shipped on the RES volume. Could you tell us how to make sure which dataset on the RES volume really need to increase? Normal what do you do for it? Thanks a lot!

Could two parallel sysplex share one CF LPAR

2010-07-06 Thread ibmnew
Hi all Normal One parallel sysplex use its own CFs. I wonder whether two parallel sysplex could share one CF Lpar Thanks a lot! Best Regards, Jason Cai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 7/6/2010 3:28 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Can't the lengthens case be limited in theory to lengthens by one bit because we can simply add a flag bit for compressed/not compressed. (Practically speaking, it would probably be one byte, allowing for additional information such as compression method

Re: Backup/Restore products at z/OS sites

2010-07-06 Thread Dan Squillace
OK, thanks to all you replied. I'm getting the idea that everyone has DFDSS, FDR, or both. I never did say why I was asking. In SAS 9.2, we already support z/OS software distribution via FTP, but there are a significant number of customers for whom FTP is not an acceptable option. So we're

Could two parallel sysplex share one CF LPAR

2010-07-06 Thread Gerhard Adam
Normal One parallel sysplex use its own CFs. I wonder whether two parallel sysplex could share one CF Lpar That's the definition of a parallel sysplex. Therefore when any images share the same coupling facility (CF), they are, by definition, part of the same sysplex. In actuality, you

Re: Backup/Restore products at z/OS sites

2010-07-06 Thread Stephen Mednick
Dan, Do you also offer the facility of distributing on a CD/DVD? Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia Asia/Pacific representatives for Innovation Data Processing, Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On

Re: Could two parallel sysplex share one CF LPAR

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Normal One parallel sysplex use its own CFs. I wonder whether two parallel sysplex could share one CF Lpar A CF is only allowed to be used by one SYSPLEX at a time. That is the desigb. You can use PR/SM to partition a CF into multiple logical CF's. But, because of the 'Active Wait', there is

Re: OPC ETT job

2010-07-06 Thread Álvaro Guirao
Hi Brian, I think you can put an special initiator class for your trigger jobs that add the ETT applications, and while the daily OPC Current Plan extend job is running, you could have that initiator stopped, already it's managed by JES2 or WLM. Best regards. Álvaro Guirao.

Re: Changing data set space values.

2010-07-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Jason, I typically keep a list of datasets that got a D37 from the last time I installed a Serverpac and did an Apply. The next server pac install I then verify the datasets and see if the space needs to be increased. Lizette Hi all We are installing z/OS 1.11 using Serverpac. Normal

Re: Sample BMS Compile JCL

2010-07-06 Thread John McKown
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 23:36 +0300, Sergio Lima wrote: Hello List, We need here, compile some BMS MAPS, and don't have the JCL to do this in hand. We have my source maps in lib USER.CICS.MAPAS, need put the Cobol copybook in the USER.CICS.COPYLIB, and catalog the load modules in

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gerhard Postpischil [ snip ] I consider the 50% to be a practical lower limit; any less, and the method would not be considered? But it reminds me of an interesting article I read in the eighties - the author

Re: Changing data set space values.

2010-07-06 Thread ibmnew
Dear Could you share your list of datasets that got a D37 with us? Thanks a lot! Best Regards, Jason Cai 主题: Re: Changing data set space values. Jason, I typically keep a list of datasets that got a D37 from the last time I installed a Serverpac and did an Apply. The next server

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 7/6/2010 6:24 PM, Chase, John wrote: Google IRTNOG for a short story about compression. :-) Thanks, I had completely forgotten I ever read that. And on the first hit's page, there is a very nice comment by Jorge Luis Borges. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Ron Hawkins
Ted, I'm wondering if your primary rule of not compressing a file unless it will exceed its architectural limit may have blocked the opportunity for you to come across cases where compression is not a waste of time. Synchronous remote copy is one area where compression of datasets created or

Re: Console vs HMC Operating System Messages

2010-07-06 Thread W. Kevin Kelley
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:15:17 -0500, Dan Gherciu dangher...@yahoo.it wrote: Is there any K Q equivalent command available for the HMC Operating System Messages? Dan, No, there is no equivalent of the K Q command for the EMCS console interface, which is the interface that is behind the HMC

Re: Could two parallel sysplex share one CF LPAR

2010-07-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 05:44:41 +0800, ibmnew ibm...@163.com wrote: Hi all Normal One parallel sysplex use its own CFs. I wonder whether two parallel sysplex could share one CF Lpar No. One CF LPAR per parallel sysplex. However, you can create more than one CF LPAR. Even with a single

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'm wondering if your primary rule of not compressing a file unless it will exceed its architectural limit may have blocked the opportunity for you to come across cases where compression is not a waste of time. It's actually the other way around. We found it a waste of time and resources. So,

Re: AF/Operator

2010-07-06 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
Just curious- what functionality are you being told only exists in SA? Are you in a GDPS environment? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sebastian Welton Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 Tuesday 12:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

Re: Console vs HMC Operating System Messages

2010-07-06 Thread Dan Gherciu
Hello and thank you, I'll try to explain better the situation that I encountered a month ago. I'm a Control Room operator  and we were asked to shutdown  IPL an LPAR. The main console was down due to an unplanned maintanace, so I had to use the  Operating System Messages console within the

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Ron Hawkins
Ted, My examples have nothing to do with the price of disk... I've been using these techniques since 1996, and they still work more than 10 years later. The performance gain made sense then, and it makes sense now. After all, I'm sure you are one of the supporters of the maxim the best IO is

Re: OPC ETT job

2010-07-06 Thread Ron Hawkins
Brian, Perhaps an empty dataset allocated DISP=OLD in last step of both jobstreams. The resulting enqueue would force the jobs to serialize. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Álvaro Guirao Sent: Tuesday, July 06,

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I've been using these techniques since 1996, and they still work more than 10 years later. I've been using them for a lot longer than that. The performance gain made sense then, and it makes sense now. Does it with sub-5ms response? After all, I'm sure you are one of the supporters of the

Re: Backup/Restore products at z/OS sites

2010-07-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Firewall security rules. Their z system is not permitted to connect to ftp.cbttape.org. Elardus Engelbrecht replied: Ok. Thanks. It seemed reasonable to me. Are those rules reasonable? I don't assume that, having observed the common consequences of such rules in the real

Re: Could two parallel sysplex share one CF LPAR

2010-07-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
You can also choose very selectively whether particular LPARs participate in particular Sysplex-related services. For example, let's suppose you have 4 LPARs named (not so creatively) LPARA, LPARB, LPARC, and LPARD. And let's suppose that those 4 LPARs are sharing one common Coupling Facility

Re: VSAM Max Lrecl?

2010-07-06 Thread Ron Hawkins
Ted, The performance gain made sense then, and it makes sense now. Does it with sub-5ms response? [Ron Hawkins] Yes. I usually figure out the saving with 0.35 to 1.5ms response time in SIMPLEX and 0.75 to 3ms response time in DUPLEX with Synchronous remote copy. Anything else is usually